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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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HanEmpire
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That's centuries away though.
Edit: Huh, I thought that a Chaos God induced Warp storms would last longer.
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@durin, how is it that the Asgard sub-sector has experienced time differently to the rest of the galaxy? It is behind a Warp Storm rather than in one,and Warp Storms affect the Warp rather than the Materium, which is why its safe to travel through them so long as you stay in the Materium and don't use the Warp for FTL. The planets and the stars should be no more in the Warp than they were before the Emperor's death, yet somehow they moved slower than they otherwise would. The Tau were behind a Warp Storm for 6k years according to the rest of the galaxy and when they came out, it had been 6k years for them as well. Did the Emperor use the last of his power to secretly throw us into the Warp or something? Will we end up in an entirely different part of the galaxy than we should as a result?
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Current tally.
Warp Storms sometimes thin the veil between the Materium and the Immaterium, which allows for affects like altered time. It's not always the case, but such unpredictability is the nature of the Warp. And who knows what affects Avernus is having on all this as well?
Vote Tally : Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) | Page 1228 | Sufficient Velocity
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[X] Plan Important Events Summary
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[X] Plan KISS Summary
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[X] Vanquishers and merchantmen have begun mass-production.
[X] We have started upgrading our shipyards.
[X] Rebuilding from Fjol IV is going well.
[X] We are nearly finished refitting our personal space assets with better tech, defenses, weaponry.
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[X] Plan Important Events Summary
No. of Votes: 17
[X] Plan KISS Summary
No. of Votes: 8
[X] Vanquishers and merchantmen have begun mass-production.
[X] We have started upgrading our shipyards.
[X] Rebuilding from Fjol IV is going well.
[X] We are nearly finished refitting our personal space assets with better tech, defenses, weaponry.
No. of Votes: 3
Total No. of Voters: 28
Warp Storms sometimes thin the veil between the Materium and the Immaterium, which allows for affects like altered time. It's not always the case, but such unpredictability is the nature of the Warp. And who knows what affects Avernus is having on all this as well?
But Han, it has already been 160+ years for the galaxy outside the sub-sector, give it a few more turns (especially once we start the 5-year/per/turn ones) and it will be centuries gone by. Just, not nearly so long for us.
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There's "thinning the veil" and then there's "moving an entire sub-sector's worth of material matter when absolutely none of it is in the Warp". An event like that is unprecedented. It also doesn't make sense. When Jotunheim came out of the Warp Storm, we learned that it had been two years more for them than for anyone else. How is it not closer to the big Warp Storm now? Why is it in the same place relative to the rest of the Nine Worlds if it was moving slower than them? If it has changed position relative to the other star systems, will we see the Jotunheim star suddenly move very quickly in the night sky after a few years when its light hits Avernus?
Here's your problem - you're asking for the Warp, a place that tells the laws of reality and good sense to go fuck themselves, to make sense in how it works and affects things. Stop trying to make sense of it and accept that the laws of physics have taken a back seat to Warp Bullshit.
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Warp "physics" are bullshit but they only apply within the Warp and a mere thinning due to a Warp Storm isn't enough to do anything on the scale or magnitude of what's happened. It's why even though the Warp covers the entire galaxy, only places like daemon worlds stop making sense. Heck even Avernus makes sense for the most part and it's got two warp rifts on it!
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ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
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- Right behind you.
You are assuming the realm made of the quintillions of screaming souls throughout galactic history, eternally tormented by thirsting gods, is consistent.
Hint: It's not. It's really, really not.
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- Australia
The Warp might not be consistent but the Materium certainly is. A=A and A+B=A+B. Within the Materium, things make sense. Within the Warp, things don't make sense. The planets are not in the Warp. They are in the Materium. Things should make sense. Things do make sense.
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ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
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- Right behind you.
And there's a fuckoff huge Warp Storm around us. Things don't make sense in Warp Storms. I'm p sure it's canon that they fuck with the timestream if they want to, in as much as a giant fuckoff storm can want something.
1. A Warp Storm thins the veil over a large area. That there might be some strange effects isn't that unusual. Frankly it's just better not to question things too much here. You're asking 40k to make sense. Again, just accept that your notions of sense and physics don't apply to the universe in question.
2. Remember that Avernus was at least partially engineered by the Old Ones and is maintained by whatever the hell the planetmind is. It having some degree of stability in it's bullshit makes sense.
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But the planets are not in the Warp Storms. They are behind them, which is a pretty crucial difference. There is a time and place to call Warp shenanigans but this isn't one of them. I haven't read anything about Warp Storms messing with the timestream this bad outside of the Eye of Terror which is a much more powerful Warp Storm than the one we're in and actually covers the planets within it.
The physics makes sense in every other respect. The laws of motion and thermodynamics work just as well as they did before. Not even psykers have reported a difference in their abilities after the Warp Storm showed up. Maybe if the Warp Storm actually covered the planets like what's happening to Vanaheim, Midgard, and Niflheim, but it's not, it just surrounds them. That's a big difference.
Do you honestly believe I'm applying real world physics to 40k in any capacity? I'm comparing 40k physics to 40k physics. In 40k, A is A and B is B unless you're in the Warp. That's how it's always been in 40k.
The planetmind is practically confirmed but do we really know it's the Old Ones? As far as we know, the Sirens are just Eldar who got stranded on the planet and evolved after millions of years of evolution or else got eaten by some kind of genestealing species. Unless I'm remembering my history wrong, Chaos came after the Old Ones.
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- Alice Springs, Australia
you have no clue
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- Alice Springs, Australia
They might not be in the Warp Storms but they are maintained within them
The Third Meeting of the High Council Part Two: Rotbart's Report and a proposal
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The Third Meeting of the High Council Part Two: Rotbart's Report and a proposal
Once more you stand and give your report on the major events that happened on Avernus over the last decade.
You report is well received though there is a good bit of disbelief over the fact that people willingly live on Avernus, which you can understand. There is a little bit of discussion about the Quartok but it is decided to delay any serious debate on them until Vanaheim has a representative present.
Next there is a proposal by Champion Surt to require that each High Councillor both have a Lower Councillor and have a second representative on a third world. This should reduce the chance that there are unrepresented worlds as there are at the moment.
This suggestion has the backing of the entire High Council and will undoubtedly pass.
There were no other proposals given his year thanks to the agreement to delay non urgent matters until the High Council is complete. However you have the opportunity to put forward your own proposals now, keeping in mind that only urgent matters are being considered at this meeting.
Once more you stand and give your report on the major events that happened on Avernus over the last decade.
Military
Avernus is continuing to recruit to replace the losses from the war with the Dark Eldar. Good progress has been made, but it will take four more years to finish. Additionally, Avernus is continuing to expand it's military. 100 Regiments of Void Infantry has been recruited already, and a greater number of Deathstrikes have been built. Currently the major projects are recruiting 200 Brigades of Siege Infantry plus an additional 50 Brigades for the Imperial Guard, deploying the recently reverse engineered Helheim Pattern Leman Russ Vanquisher for 20% of the Helltrooper's armor, as well as 100 specialist Regiments of the same, and recruiting more artillery regiments. These projects should all be complete in three more years. Further, we've begun increasing the defenses of the cities of Avernus, but this will likely take decades to complete and will require more Material than Avernus currently is able to produce.
Space
Avernus is currently expanding it's shipyards to do what it can to meet the demand left by Vanaheim being behind a Warp Storm. One small shipyard should be completed before the end of next year, and we will likely begin construction of another before that. One small shipyard has been dedicated to constant production of Merchantmen, ensuring one will be completed every year. As mentioned by the Fabricator General, ships from the ship graveyard will likely be used to accelerate construction of warships. Finally, Avernus's fleet is close to finishing a refit to equip them with the technologies gained from the Ancient Defense Cruiser, a process that will be completed by the end of next year.
Cultists and Pyskers
The Abomination cultists are well under control on Avernus, most being caught and executed within mere days of conversion. Chaos Psykers have not been able to cause any large amounts of damage, and are also dealt with swiftly. Non-Chaos psykers continue to be found in large numbers annually, with over two thousand minor psykers being found each year for the past two years. Headmaster Ridcully has also completed a project to have Diviners trained as Neo-Astropath Receivers, increasing the viable range of Neo-Astropaths. Further research is being considered to better their capabilities further, and results will be reported when it becomes available. Lastly, Avernus has started to build more Psyker Hunter Academies so that every single city on the planet will have one.
Quartok
The Quartok have settled into the city that has been built for them, and while relations are still tense they have begun to cool somewhat. They Adeptus Arbites of Avernus has instituted a close watch on them, and thus far no major issues have been reported.
Wildlife
Aside from Feral Orks beginning to show up, there is only one truly noteworthy event involving the wildlife that occurred that warrants mention. A little over four years ago there was an earthquake, and a few days thereafter a storm over the Fair Isle. Thirty million people disappeared suddenly during this event. Investigations revealed that a creature that has been named the Deep One awoke and created portals within the city that the people were compelled to walk through. This creature has been rated at Alpha-Plus on the psyker rating scale. Fortunately it is currently believed this creature sleeps for centuries at a time, only waking to feed before returning to its slumber, though it may not be the only one of its kind.
Avernus is continuing to recruit to replace the losses from the war with the Dark Eldar. Good progress has been made, but it will take four more years to finish. Additionally, Avernus is continuing to expand it's military. 100 Regiments of Void Infantry has been recruited already, and a greater number of Deathstrikes have been built. Currently the major projects are recruiting 200 Brigades of Siege Infantry plus an additional 50 Brigades for the Imperial Guard, deploying the recently reverse engineered Helheim Pattern Leman Russ Vanquisher for 20% of the Helltrooper's armor, as well as 100 specialist Regiments of the same, and recruiting more artillery regiments. These projects should all be complete in three more years. Further, we've begun increasing the defenses of the cities of Avernus, but this will likely take decades to complete and will require more Material than Avernus currently is able to produce.
Space
Avernus is currently expanding it's shipyards to do what it can to meet the demand left by Vanaheim being behind a Warp Storm. One small shipyard should be completed before the end of next year, and we will likely begin construction of another before that. One small shipyard has been dedicated to constant production of Merchantmen, ensuring one will be completed every year. As mentioned by the Fabricator General, ships from the ship graveyard will likely be used to accelerate construction of warships. Finally, Avernus's fleet is close to finishing a refit to equip them with the technologies gained from the Ancient Defense Cruiser, a process that will be completed by the end of next year.
Cultists and Pyskers
The Abomination cultists are well under control on Avernus, most being caught and executed within mere days of conversion. Chaos Psykers have not been able to cause any large amounts of damage, and are also dealt with swiftly. Non-Chaos psykers continue to be found in large numbers annually, with over two thousand minor psykers being found each year for the past two years. Headmaster Ridcully has also completed a project to have Diviners trained as Neo-Astropath Receivers, increasing the viable range of Neo-Astropaths. Further research is being considered to better their capabilities further, and results will be reported when it becomes available. Lastly, Avernus has started to build more Psyker Hunter Academies so that every single city on the planet will have one.
Quartok
The Quartok have settled into the city that has been built for them, and while relations are still tense they have begun to cool somewhat. They Adeptus Arbites of Avernus has instituted a close watch on them, and thus far no major issues have been reported.
Wildlife
Aside from Feral Orks beginning to show up, there is only one truly noteworthy event involving the wildlife that occurred that warrants mention. A little over four years ago there was an earthquake, and a few days thereafter a storm over the Fair Isle. Thirty million people disappeared suddenly during this event. Investigations revealed that a creature that has been named the Deep One awoke and created portals within the city that the people were compelled to walk through. This creature has been rated at Alpha-Plus on the psyker rating scale. Fortunately it is currently believed this creature sleeps for centuries at a time, only waking to feed before returning to its slumber, though it may not be the only one of its kind.
You report is well received though there is a good bit of disbelief over the fact that people willingly live on Avernus, which you can understand. There is a little bit of discussion about the Quartok but it is decided to delay any serious debate on them until Vanaheim has a representative present.
Next there is a proposal by Champion Surt to require that each High Councillor both have a Lower Councillor and have a second representative on a third world. This should reduce the chance that there are unrepresented worlds as there are at the moment.
This suggestion has the backing of the entire High Council and will undoubtedly pass.
There were no other proposals given his year thanks to the agreement to delay non urgent matters until the High Council is complete. However you have the opportunity to put forward your own proposals now, keeping in mind that only urgent matters are being considered at this meeting.
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- Australia
Ok, so it's definitely something that doesn't usually happen. I'm fine with that.
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- U.S.
Cathacans?
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- Australia
How often do Warp Storms cover empty sections of space compared to star systems? I'm just thinking that we should set up a space station somewhere between the star systems to minimise the interference of Warp Storms when it comes to the councils.
[X] Propose that if the planets haven't come out of the Warp Storms by the time of the next Council Meeting, that the Meetings go forward as usual.
[X] Propose that if the planets haven't come out of the Warp Storms by the time of the next Council Meeting, that the Meetings go forward as usual.
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Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
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- Murica
Given the two planets with large populations and experience with orbital work are behind the Warp Storm I'm not sure what they could offer. Muspelheim and Svartalfheim are both busy beefing up their defenses, I believe.
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- USA
That is smarter than my ideas. why didn't i think of such an obvious solution?
Can we use the opportunity of being in person here to not make an official proposal, but rather schmoose with the other delegates about proposals we intent to make on the next full council?
Or to make trade deals?
This is probably a good thing to ask when they return from the warpstorm
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- United states
Avernus, the Australia of the 40k galaxy. Like Australia why people willingly live there is anyones guess.
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