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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%

  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%
  • Total voters
    738
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OmegaS said:
The big question is if we want to get started on the Phase Tigers. That will take both Military and an Ad Mec slots.
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We have to do it eventually and the stuff that the recon armour lets them do is frankly absurd, as is expected to be of Dark Age technology. Highlights include stealth paradrops and wall-levitation, near perfect agility and stealth, and a top-tier sensor array. We could paradrop the entire regiment right on top of a Warboss, assassinate him, then sneak their way out of the entire Orkish horde on foot.

OmegaS said:
I think the more Siege Infantry, RGS Mass, and Education Reform are the clear winners.
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It's probably better to do the Administratum Reform before the Education Reform, to be honest. Getting all five stages completed is likely to give us something special, maybe another Administratum action due to maximised efficiency.
 
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3man75 said:
I'm just going to put down votes that help Syr develop her stats.
[X] Tutor by Saint Lin. Because I think making her a strong believer will help her develop a strong personal martial willpower later on. The kind of willpower where she dosen't EVER stay down.

[X] Tutor personally (Administration) Because this is her weakest stat and thiers ALOT of paperwork routines she'll need to do one day. Need to show her some ways to just power through it.
[X] Tutor personally (Military/Martial) Because we can only get better right?
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Please use the correct options - it's a pain in the ass to have to merge the tally options when they're off.
 
DarknessSmiles said:
Honestly enjou, my only complaint is that we are not starting the factory expansion with a PA. i do understand the hesitance behind not wanting to lock down a PA for 6 (or 5) years, but its not like we are losing actions, only versatility. this will be the first time in a long while where we are not using both of our available PAs. i would complain more, but we are going to finish two projects in Adeptus Administratum next year, and i can accept waiting a year to start on the expansion. So...

[X] Enjou
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As you say, it only costs us one year to delay, which is why locking down a PA seems suboptimal. PA can be used for Military, Administration, Diplomacy, Intrigue, or Personal Actions. So they give us a lot of flexibility that we lose when we lock them down.

Plus, I'm not certain we ought to expand the factories. Perhaps we ought to just trade with Vanaheim for the material we need. Currently we are shipping metal to Vanaheim, but the ships usually run empty back to us. Vanaheim transforms the metal into material, so maybe we should just exploit the desperate Vanaheim factory workers instead of building our own factories?

OmegaS said:
@Elder Haman, one think I need to mention is that we have usually had to spend a Military Action to integrate new equipment.
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Yes? Until we research things though we can't build them. Right now we have several weaknesses:

0: Need more Naval ships
1: Loss of vanquishers = few Titan killers
2: No ability to fight in the air when we don't have air dominance = need stealth planes
3: Need more artillery
4: Need more void infantry
5: Need more siege infantry
 
Elder Haman said:
As you say, it only costs us one year to delay, which is why locking down a PA seems suboptimal. PA can be used for Military, Administration, Diplomacy, Intrigue, or Personal Actions. So they give us a lot of flexibility that we lose when we lock them down.

Plus, I'm not certain we ought to expand the factories. Perhaps we ought to just trade with Vanaheim for the material we need. Currently we are shipping metal to Vanaheim, but the ships usually run empty back to us. Vanaheim transforms the metal into material, so maybe we should just exploit the desperate Vanaheim factory workers instead of building our own factories?



Yes? Until we research things though we can't build them. Right now we have several weaknesses:

0: Need more Naval ships
1: Loss of vanquishers = few Titan killers
2: No ability to fight in the air when we don't have air dominance = need stealth planes
3: Need more artillery
4: Need more void infantry
5: Need more siege infantry
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Major problem here with this man. Vanaheim is stuck in a warp storm, we aren't getting any trade goods from them. Nor can we make new deals if they are still stuck during the council meeting coming up.
 
And if you read the Admin section for this turn Henry flat out says the next phase of defenses need more than we produce. Next turn expidite the enlarged factories and do admin reorg, use mechanicus slot to research automated factories to boost mat production as well.
 
Like those above me have said, the factories are a priority admin action, but i do not feel that it is absolutely vital that it starts this turn as we will have the actions to start it next turn
 
Valerian said:
Major problem here with this man. Vanaheim is stuck in a warp storm, we aren't getting any trade goods from them. Nor can we make new deals if they are still stuck during the council meeting coming up.
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We have no idea how long Vanaheim will be in a Warp Storm, and actually we could set up a trade deal in between council meetings, it just takes an additional diplomacy action.

Void Stalker said:
And if you read the Admin section for this turn Henry flat out says the next phase of defenses need more than we produce. Next turn expidite the enlarged factories and do admin reorg, use mechanicus slot to research automated factories to boost mat production as well.
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And I don't think that strong city defenses are a higher priority than other actions. In fact I have no idea why everyone seems to be thinking we need to immediately drop other goals and priorities in order to do it. Particularly Mechanicus actions. So I oppose researching automated factories. Expanding the factories using administration actions is possible, but we have far far more important things to spend Mechanicus actions on than automated factories. Additionally I would prefer to use Expedite on Military or Void actions.

Expanding our naval power is far more important than another upgrade in city defenses. Not that we shouldn't also upgrade the city defenses if we can, but not at the expense of researching essential tech for combat.
 
I agree with Eldar Haman concerning Vanaheim. Vanaheim is currently at 1 morale due to not having enough Metal to work with. Giving them our Metal in return for Materials is a generous price to pay for preventing a civil war that could see the premier ship-building planet of the Nine Worlds fall to the Abomination.

HanEmpire said:
I think people are concerned about the huge spike in wildlife related deaths in the last few turns, that and the huge Ork/Tyranid fighting going on in the backyard.
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The spike was only due to the losses suffered on Fjol IV. As the updates themselves have said, the deaths we've been suffering due to the wildlife have been returning to normal levels due to our recruitment of additional soldiers.
 
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Elder Haman said:
And I don't think that strong city defenses are a higher priority than other actions. In fact I have no idea why everyone seems to be thinking we need to immediately drop other goals and priorities in order to do it. Particularly Mechanicus actions. So I oppose researching automated factories. Expanding the factories using administration actions is possible, but we have far far more important things to spend Mechanicus actions on than automated factories. Additionally I would prefer to use Expedite on Military or Void actions.

Expanding our naval power is far more important than another upgrade in city defenses. Not that we shouldn't also upgrade the city defenses if we can, but not at the expense of researching essential tech for combat.
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Well for another they heavy orbital platforms took a lot of materials as well to do. So we have some high material projects. Also since most martial are locked for three turns we can do two turns of other research then research an item to produce with martial the turn they finish
 
Andres110 said:
I'm agree with Eldar Haman concerning Vanaheim. Vanaheim is currently at 1 morale due to not having enough Metal to work with. Giving them our Metal in return for Materials is a generous price to pay for preventing a civil war that could see the premier ship-building planet of the Nine Worlds fall to the Abomination.


The spike was only due to the losses suffered on Fjol IV. As the updates themselves have said, the deaths we've been suffering due to the wildlife have been returning to normal levels due to our recruitment of additional soldiers.
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Yes, I agree. However we may have missed our chance. Vanaheim may be in the grips of a civil war as we speak. As the loss of all exterior metal trade impacts their economy, leading to mass job loss, which is further exacerbated by the loss of all other forms of extra-solar trade. Add to that their dismal morale of 1 and the knowledge of the potential rebels that if they act now Vanaheim's elite cannot ask the rest of the Imperial Trust for aid, and we have a major problem. Vanaheim may be in no shape to do anything but rebuild itself when it comes out of the storm, or it may be a net drain to our resources if the rebellion succeeds. Futhermore, many of the warp storms seem to mess with time, it may be only 2 years for us, but it could be 5 months for them or 2 decades.
 
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I wonder what the chances are of the avernite spy network getting into positions of authority in the chaos that will happen on vanahiem?
 
@durin
1. Why did the Dark Eldar continue to benefit from the +43 Martial bonus when we were attacking the keep? Their commander had already fled by then, hadn't they?
2. Why is it that the power armour we've found - with the exception of Recon - doesn't come with microfusion reactors? It can't be that they're too bulky because otherwise the Recon armour couldn't use it.
3. In Current Military, perhaps the actions of the Governor's Own, the Phase-Tigers, and the Black Irons on Fjol IV should be mentioned in their spoilers? The Governor's Own especially, since they killed 580,000 entrenched Dark Eldar and lost only 288 of their own.
 
Kind of thinking about it...were the drop troopers who were sent in first help, to like soften up the place a bit before the Governors own decided to steal the show?

I'm just asking. @durin
 
They were there so the Dark Eldar couldn't concentrate their AA fire on the Governor's Own and thus completely obliterate them within the first five minutes.
 
Aranfan said:
I wonder what the chances are of the avernite spy network getting into positions of authority in the chaos that will happen on vanahiem?
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It would be funnif if we had to re-establish our spy network on Vanaheim after most of our operatives accidentally ended up in senior positions, and had to resign as spies due to conflict of interest.
 
@durin, go to Local Systems and click on the Imperial Trust of the Nine Worlds spoiler. The embedded spoiler of the constitution is broken.
 
@durin: Can we do the Examine Ship Construction Techniques with two Mechanicus actions on top of the DD?
In the same vein, how about Cheating with both Ridcully and Xavier?
 
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Andres110 said:
@durin
1. Why did the Dark Eldar continue to benefit from the +43 Martial bonus when we were attacking the keep? Their commander had already fled by then, hadn't they?
2. Why is it that the power armour we've found - with the exception of Recon - doesn't come with microfusion reactors? It can't be that they're too bulky because otherwise the Recon armour couldn't use it.
3. In Current Military, perhaps the actions of the Governor's Own, the Phase-Tigers, and the Black Irons on Fjol IV should be mentioned in their spoilers? The Governor's Own especially, since they killed 580,000 entrenched Dark Eldar and lost only 288 of their own.
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1.You do not know
2. You are not sure, one issue is that they do not provide enough power for any of the larger suits and are too complex for the basic sits
3. I will get around to updating that
 
Well, here's a tally in case you want to go ahead and close the vote anyways. Top plan has a majority by one.

Vote Tally : Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) | Page 1200 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.5.11

[X] Sound Out (Colonisation)
[X] Lobby for Quartok (Admiral Frery/Security Council)
-[X] The military situation with xenos has changed with the collapse of the Imperium. We need to prioritize combating major xenos threats, and avoid conflicts with non-threatening xenos that would weaken us for little or no gain. Because of this we need to gain experience in diplomacy with xenos that are not immediately hostile. The Quartok are perfect for us to gain this experience. The security risks they pose are minimal as they are limited to a single city on a heavily militarized planet, they have Arbites watchers to look out for rebellion or signs of Chaos, and the city's orbital defenses have humans among the operators to ensure they could be shut down if the city needed to be bombarded from orbit. Culturally, they are a good fit, as their Rule of Gold helps them look beyond the past and has made it so they can look beyond their conflict with the Imperium and work with humans for a better future. This philosophy is similar to the one the Aquila represents. Finally, they represent a good diplomatic tool for dealing with other xenos who may feel they were wronged by the Imperium, as it shows the Imperial Trust is different and is not inherently hostile to xenos.
[X] Deepen Spy Network (Midgard)
[X] Deepen Spy Network (Midgard) x2
[X] The Ship Graveyard: Set up
[X] Examine: Vanquishers
[X] Detailed Survey (Kraken)
[X] Spread the Words
[X] Missionary Work (Asgard)
[X] Research (Congregation Asps)
[X] Research (Siren Shield)
-[X] Double Down: Research (Siren Shield)
[X] Spend Time With Family
[X] Tutor Syr (Administration)
[X] Tutor Syr (Martial)
No. of Votes: 16
Enjou
aledeth
Alex pears
AvidFicReader
DarknessSmiles
Fanhunter696
godofsmallthings
HanEmpire
Karugus
Kyushiro
Massgamer
Melancholeric
OmegaS
Riggnarock
SirHades2.0
Void Stalker

[X] Sound Out (Colonisation)
[X] Lobby for Quartok (Admiral Frery/Security Council)
-[X] The military situation with xenos has changed with the collapse of the Imperium. We need to prioritize combating major xenos threats, and avoid conflicts with non-threatening xenos that would weaken us for little or no gain. Because of this we need to gain experience in diplomacy with xenos that are not immediately hostile. The Quartok are perfect for us to gain this experience. The security risks they pose are minimal as they are limited to a single city on a heavily militarized planet, they have Arbites watchers to look out for rebellion or signs of Chaos, and the city's orbital defenses have humans among the operators to ensure they could be shut down if the city needed to be bombarded from orbit. Culturally, they are a good fit, as their Rule of Gold helps them look beyond the past and has made it so they can look beyond their conflict with the Imperium and work with humans for a better future. This philosophy is similar to the one the Aquila represents. Finally, they represent a good diplomatic tool for dealing with other xenos who may feel they were wronged by the Imperium, as it shows the Imperial Trust is different and is not inherently hostile to xenos.
[X] Deepen Spy Network (Midgard)
[X] Deepen Spy Network (Midgard) x2
[X] Examine: Vanquishers
[X] Try to complete STC fragment: Stealth Planes
[X] Detailed Survey (Kraken)
[X] Spread the Words
[X] Missionary Work (Asgard)
[X] Research (Siren Shield)
-[X] Double Down: Research (Siren Shield)
[X] Research (Trolls)
[X] Spend Time With Family
[X] Tutor Syr (Administratum)
[X] Tutor Syr (Martial)
No. of Votes: 8
Elder Haman
Artemis1992
avatar11792
Darkcrest
Ruirk
runes
Superticus
Valerian

[X] Sound Out (Colonisation)
[X] Lobby for Quartok (Admiral Frery/Security Council)
-[X] The Quartok are the best possible case for a xeno protectorate of the Imperial Trust that we are likely to ever find. Firstly, the security risks they pose are minimal as they are limited to a single city on a heavily militarized planet, they have Arbites watchers to look out for rebellion or signs of Chaos, and the city's orbital defenses have humans among the operators to ensure they could be shut down if the city needed to be bombarded from orbit. Culturally, they are a good fit, as their Rule of Gold helps them look beyond the past and has made it so they can look beyond their conflict with the Imperium and work with humans for a better future. This philosophy is similar to the one the Aquila represents. Finally, they represent a good diplomatic tool for dealing with other xenos who may feel they were wronged by the Imperium, as it shows the Imperial Trust is different and is not inherently hostile to xenos.
[X] Deepen Spy Network (Midgard)
[X] Deepen Spy Network (Midgard) x2
[X] Detailed Survey (Kraken)
[X] Examine: Vanquishers
[X] Examine: Starship Construction Technologies
-[X] Double Down: Examine: Starship Construction Technologies
[X] Missionary Work (Asgard)
[X] Spread the Words
[X] Cheating
[X] Research (Trolls)
[X] Spend Time With Family
[X] Tutor Syr (Administratum)
[X] Tutor Syr (Martial)
No. of Votes: 2
Portec
Doomsough

[X] Sound Out (Colonization)
[X] Lobby for Quartok (Admiral Frey/Security Council)
-[X] The Quartok are the best possible case for a xeno protectorate of the Imperial Trust that we are likely to ever find. Firstly, the security risks they pose are minimal as they are limited to a single city on a heavily militarized planet, they have Arbites watchers to look out for rebellion or signs of Chaos, and the city's orbital defenses have humans among the operators to ensure they could be shut down if the city needed to be bombarded from orbit. Culturally, they are a good fit, as their Rule of Gold helps them look beyond the past and has made it so they can look beyond their conflict with the Imperium and work with humans for a better future. This philosophy is similar to the one the Aquila represents. Finally, they represent a good diplomatic tool for dealing with other xenos who may feel they were wronged by the Imperium, as it shows the Imperial Trust is different and is not inherently hostile to xenos.
[X] Deepen Spy Network (Midgard)
[X] Deepen Spy Network (Midgard) x2
[X] The Ship Graveyard: Set up
[X] Examine: Starship Construction Technologies- The Well of Urd
-[X] Double Down: Examine: Starship Construction Technologies- The Well of Urd
[X] Detailed Survey (Kraken)
[X] Spread the Words
[X] Tutoring (Syr)
[X] Cheating
[X] Research (Congregation Asps)
[X] Spend Time With Family
[X] Tutor Syr (Administratum)
[X] Tutor Syr (Martial)
No. of Votes: 1
Derek58

[X] Personal Attention: Educational Reform
[X] Sound Out (Colonisation)
[X] Request Information (Asgard mines)
[X] Deepen Spy Network (Midgard)
-[X] Double Down: Deepen Spy Network (Midgard)
[X] No action (Arbites)
[X] The Ship Graveyard: Set up
[X] Examine: Automated Factories
[X] Detailed Survey (Kraken)
[X] Spread the Words
[X] Tutoring (Syr)
[X] Research: Black Crystal Items (Ring)
[X] Research: Black Crystal Items (Crown)
[X] Spend Time With Family
[X] Tutor Syr (Administration)
No. of Votes: 1
Jexx

[X] Sound Out (Colonisation)
[X] Lobby for Quartok (Admiral Freyr/Security Council)
-[X] The military situation with xenos has changed with the collapse of the Imperium. We need to prioritize combating major xenos threats, and avoid conflicts with non-threatening xenos that would weaken us for little or no gain. Because of this we need to gain experience in diplomacy with xenos that are not immediately hostile. The Quartok are perfect for us to gain this experience. The security risks they pose are minimal as they are limited to a single city on a heavily militarized planet, they have Arbites watchers to look out for rebellion or signs of Chaos, and the city's orbital defenses have humans among the operators to ensure they could be shut down if the city needed to be bombarded from orbit. Culturally, they are a good fit, as their Rule of Gold helps them look beyond the past and has made it so they can look beyond their conflict with the Imperium and work with humans for a better future. This philosophy is similar to the one the Aquila represents. Finally, they represent a good diplomatic tool for dealing with other xenos who may feel they were wronged by the Imperium, as it shows the Imperial Trust is different and is not inherently hostile to xenos.
[X] Deepen Spy Network (Midgard)
[X] Deepen Spy Network (Midgard) x2
[X] The Ship Graveyard: Set up
[X] Examine: Vanquishers
[X] Detailed Survey (Kraken)
[X] Spread the Words
[X] Missionary Work (Asgard)
[X] Research (Congregation Asps)
[X] Research: Black Crystal Items (Sword)
-[X] Double Down: Research: Black Crystal Items (Sword)
[X] Spend Time With Family
[X] Tutor Syr (Administration)
[X] Tutor Syr (Martial)
No. of Votes: 1
Andres110

[X] Tutor personally (Administration) Because this is her weakest stat and theirs ALOT of paperwork routines she'll need to do one day. Need to show her some ways to just power through it.
[X] Tutor personally (Military/Martial) Because we can only get better right?
No. of Votes: 1
3man75

Total No. of Voters: 30
Vote Tally : Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) | Page 1200 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.5.11

[29] Sound Out (Colonisation)
[29] Deepen Spy Network (Midgard)
[29] Detailed Survey (Kraken)
[29] Spread the Words
[29] Spend Time With Family
[29] Tutor Syr (Administration)
[28] Lobby for Quartok (Admiral Frery/Security Council)
[28] Deepen Spy Network (Midgard) x2
[28] Tutor Syr (Martial)
[27] Examine: Vanquishers
[27] Missionary Work (Asgard)
-[25] The military situation with xenos has changed with the collapse of the Imperium. We need to prioritize combating major xenos threats, and avoid conflicts with non-threatening xenos that would weaken us for little or no gain. Because of this we need to gain experience in diplomacy with xenos that are not immediately hostile. The Quartok are perfect for us to gain this experience. The security risks they pose are minimal as they are limited to a single city on a heavily militarized planet, they have Arbites watchers to look out for rebellion or signs of Chaos, and the city's orbital defenses have humans among the operators to ensure they could be shut down if the city needed to be bombarded from orbit. Culturally, they are a good fit, as their Rule of Gold helps them look beyond the past and has made it so they can look beyond their conflict with the Imperium and work with humans for a better future. This philosophy is similar to the one the Aquila represents. Finally, they represent a good diplomatic tool for dealing with other xenos who may feel they were wronged by the Imperium, as it shows the Imperial Trust is different and is not inherently hostile to xenos.
[24] Research (Siren Shield)
-[24] Double Down: Research (Siren Shield)
[19] The Ship Graveyard: Set up
[18] Research (Congregation Asps)
[10] Research (Trolls)
[8] Try to complete STC fragment: Stealth Planes
-[3] The Quartok are the best possible case for a xeno protectorate of the Imperial Trust that we are likely to ever find. Firstly, the security risks they pose are minimal as they are limited to a single city on a heavily militarized planet, they have Arbites watchers to look out for rebellion or signs of Chaos, and the city's orbital defenses have humans among the operators to ensure they could be shut down if the city needed to be bombarded from orbit. Culturally, they are a good fit, as their Rule of Gold helps them look beyond the past and has made it so they can look beyond their conflict with the Imperium and work with humans for a better future. This philosophy is similar to the one the Aquila represents. Finally, they represent a good diplomatic tool for dealing with other xenos who may feel they were wronged by the Imperium, as it shows the Imperial Trust is different and is not inherently hostile to xenos.
[3] Examine: Starship Construction Technologies
-[3] Double Down: Examine: Starship Construction Technologies
[3] Cheating
[2] Tutoring (Syr)
[1] Personal Attention: Educational Reform
[1] Request Information (Asgard mines)
-[1] Double Down: Deepen Spy Network (Midgard)
[1] No action (Arbites)
[1] Examine: Automated Factories
[1] Research: Black Crystal Items (Ring)
[1] Research: Black Crystal Items (Crown)
[1] Research: Black Crystal Items (Sword)
-[1] Double Down: Research: Black Crystal Items (Sword)
[1] Tutor personally (Administration) Because this is her weakest stat and theirs ALOT of paperwork routines she'll need to do one day. Need to show her some ways to just power through it.
[1] Tutor personally (Military/Martial) Because we can only get better right?

Total No. of Voters: 30
 
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