Point of order we are not asking daemon to kill anyone just raising our concerns with him.

If Daemon decides to kill him that's none of our business.
Yeah. Rhaenyra is not intentionally getting anyone killed. She's voicing her concerns to the one person she knows is as concerned for her father as she is. Rhaenyra is not expecting people to die, some possible bold action sure.

You guys on the other hand, you know what you did.
 
Yes, Rhaenyra is totally innocent and defintely didn't knowingly take advantage of Daemons character to get him to kill Mellos for her in a rage at the Grand Maesters apparent incompetence in Viserys health.

It may be true, but I'm sure only most people will believe that. I'm really anticipating finding out who doesn't though! Perhaps they'll even mistakenly respect her for the hustle.

Bonus points if Orwyle thinks she arranged it to get him installed as Grand Maester and is now terrified of her.
 
On the other hand, it could be bad if Otto thinks Rhaenyra arranged it intentionally - Mellos was his man, and as such Rhaenyra has directly weakened him at time he's worried about maintaining Hightower influence in the changing court.

On the third hand, now that his foundations are yet shakier Rhaenyra could press the advantage to offer a helping hand if only for a few concessions…
 
Yes, Rhaenyra is totally innocent and defintely didn't knowingly take advantage of Daemons character to get him to kill Mellos for her in a rage at the Grand Maesters apparent incompetence in Viserys health.

It may be true, but I'm sure only most people will believe that. I'm really anticipating finding out who doesn't though! Perhaps they'll even mistakenly respect her for the hustle.

Bonus points if Orwyle thinks she arranged it to get him installed as Grand Maester and is now terrified of her.
Rhaenyra knows his character at this point. Daemon has not yet done things like Blood and Cheese, murdering Rhea Royce, murdering some random dude to fake Laenor's death, etc. She knows he is reckless, she does not know the extent of it.
 
Rhaenyra knows his character at this point. Daemon has not yet done things like Blood and Cheese, murdering Rhea Royce, murdering some random dude to fake Laenor's death, etc. She knows he is reckless, she does not know the extent of it.
Ah, but she will learn, and learn bitterly. Our Rhaenyra momentarily thought herself a murderess for lawfully executing a man in ritually-sanctified combat. Having a role in an underhanded assassination, however remote and attenuated, will shake her considerably.

And having come to accept that, I am here for the angst :V
 
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That actually wasn't sarcasm, I was serious about Rhaenyra being innocent, but thinking that other people would totally not buy she didn't do it deliberately.
 
You guys on the other hand, you know what you did.

Well he had it coming and he needs to go. Our father health is more important than his pride or life.

I doubt that Rhaenyra will be blamed by the actions of Daemon because in this situation she is literally just a daughter concerned about the health of her father.
Also, i think we are not giving credit to Daemon inventiveness and cunning. He might not kill Melos, he just need to get the man dismissed by Viserys.
 
Murder Mystery arc, who killed Maester Mellos in the Red Keep?

Ps: If Mellos dies and nobody knows who did it I hope Viserys doesn't decide that is best for Johanna stay with us in Dragonstone for a while.
 
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In more serious note, Daemon probably will kill Mellos if we don't do any follow up action and left Mellos issue entirely on his "capable" hand. There is one action that is greatly helped by having Daemon on our side if we want to avoid Mellos to be murdered (or any of its effect like Rhaenyra guilt and realization of Daemon character or Viserys's Stress). Speaking to Viserys about it.

[] [Conversation] Speak with Viserys
Your are engaged and Daemon has returned, your father is in the highest spirits he's been in years. Perhaps it would do well to spend some time with him. Of course on a darker note, Orwyle's words have yet to leave your mind. You know the Maester said it was pointless to try and convince the King that Grand Maester Mellos' treatments weren't working, but he wasn't the King's daughter, you were. Perhaps you could convince him.
-[] Speak to Viserys about his failing treatment
Viserys has a weak spot for Daemon. We and Daemon are also not close before this and probably won't be close after this. This gesture of unity is another Viserys weak point. It will be relatively easy to convince Viserys with Daemon at our side. Or may be even more.

[] [Conversation] Speak With Queen Johanna Westerling
As much as you still don't like the prospect of being in the same room as Aelora, it might do good to check in with Johanna, make sure she doesn't feel her pregnancy is being ignored with all the talk of the castle being focused elsewhere.
Bring our step-mother into the problem. Together with Helaena and Aelora too. Make it whole family outing.:V
 
Mellos dying won't automatically make him Grand Maester. This is suppose to be an election for the job, if I remember correctly.
I believe there has been something of a closed door discussion in the maester's tower about the ongoing situation with Mellos, Orwyle, and Viserys, at which it was decided to simply wait out Mellos's stubbornness until age claimed him. The logical conclusion is Viserys's state makes it plausible to argue Orwyle's suitability to serve as Grand Maester in part because of his familiarity with Viserys's condition and the way that's become essential to the role.
 
Ah, but she will learn, and learn bitterly. Our Rhaenyra momentarily thought herself a murderess for lawfully executing a man in ritually-sanctified combat. Having a role in an underhanded assassination, however remote and attenuated, will shake her considerably.

And having come to accept that, I am here for the angst :V
I expect her to feel complicated about it, rather than just outright appalled
Like she'll disagree with the method, but she knows it came from a place of genuine love for her father
And taking advantage of the consequences (which we're definitely doing) would indicate tacit agreement that it worked at the end of the day
And keeping her silence on the matter (which we probably will) would be tacit approval

If she ever cultivates a Master of Whispers or other spymastery ally, this would be the start of her exposure to cloak and dagger politics and scheming as a reality beyond a vague conceptualization of spies and assassins as hazards and villains
 
I don't see the vote changing at this point so I'm closing it

Note that the results of this won't be in this coming update but in Part III.

Adhoc vote count started by Teen Spirit on Apr 11, 2025 at 7:39 PM, finished with 154 posts and 56 votes.
Teen Spirit. This post probably should be in Voting Threadmark category instead of the main Threadmarks category.
 
I'm kinda hoping Rhaenyra finds out how Aemma died the fall out would one hell of a train wreck. Maybe she'll gets to punch Vizzy at least once over it.

I do wonder when this will come up because now, Viserys and Us are warming up to each other again. He does dislikes how defiant we are and that we did pursue being a knight until the end but he also likes how hard we are trying to be a good heir and preparing ourselves to be a good Queen. Our Betrothal agreement might just be the crowning jewel of his reign. The conquest of Westeros completed !
 
Well he's fine with Rhaenyra being a knight now that it's working for him. I got the vibe he alway viewed her as a his "little girl" even when she was a grown woman with kids in the original plot. Right now she's establishing herself as her own person with a far better political and financial base.

If she does find out that Aemma died under Vizzy's order it would probably napalm the relationship for Rhaenyra. After all the reasons he wants to make her queen is because he feels guilty that he killed his wife for a son that barely lived a day. In his mind just proclaiming her heir to the throne and cup bearer should have been enough. If he didn't want to see something he didn't, dude was willfully blind.
 
I'm gonna be honest, the odds of Rhaenyra finding out more about her mother's death is slim. She already knows Viserys blames himself for her death and she already knows he has reason to blame himself. The exact nature of how she died is not one that anyone involved is inclined to bring up.
 
I'm kinda hoping Rhaenyra finds out how Aemma died the fall out would one hell of a train wreck. Maybe she'll gets to punch Vizzy at least once over it.
That sounds like a good way to make it more likely that Rhaenyra gets disinherited as Viserys decides that the beloved memory of his wife isn't worth putting the kingdom into the hands of a violent loony now that he has another potential heir.

Not a certainty that this would happen, but a possibility. Sorry, but true.
 
I mean the only reason Rhaenyra is heir at all is because Vizzy thinks of if as a way to "fix" what he did to Aemma. She is the last remaining piece of his first wife it's why despite everything and how pliable he usually he dug his heels in about Rhaenyra being heir. He wouldn't disinherited over a punch for something he feels guilty of doing, he isn't the level head about her or Aemma.

Even less so with this version of Rhaenyra and the actions she's taken as heir. She polarizing but she is in fact doing her duty as heir if in her own way.
 
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