Well we can use that 3,500 gold dragons to hire and interview trustworthy people for positions, in our nonexistent bureaucratic positions. Maybe we can start but putting out feelers at the feast?
 
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As far as the sheer stress from 1) talking to Daemon 2) about Viserys's health goes, remember that we are going to be off on a vacation after all this. If a couple extra stressful turns brought us halfway up the scale, then one conversation won't get us the rest of the way to a mental break. We can foist this stuff off to uncle dearest and see what he'll be able to do in the next half a year.
 
I think Otto might need to be a bit soften up before we talk to him. I feel that Gwayne in private talks with Otto should suggest that Alicent has our ear and favour. In such a way that this could be a way for house Hightower to keep itself on top.
Also i think we should talk with him about him becoming the next City Watch commander. We can´t let Daemon get his old role back and more important he is our ally. An ally as the commander of the city watch is very good.

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I agree that we should talk with Gwayne before Otto. Still, honestly, with Daemon coming, we have a golden opportunity of expeditely getting Viserys the treatment he needs before going on vacations...

So, I think that Plan Old Commitments, Preparations, And A Massive Gamble is better for that alone, as much as I want to solve the issue with Alicent ASAP. Our dad's health is significantly more urgent...
 
[X] Plan Old Commitments And Preparations
-[X] [Conversation] Speak with Isembard Arryn
-[X] [Conversation] Speak with Qoren Martell
-[X] [Conversation] Speak with Lord Corlys Velaryon.
-[X] [Conversation] Speak with Gwayne Hightower
-[X] [Action] Propose a Plan to Collect The Stepstone Tolls
-[X] [Action] Prepare for a Trip to Dragonstone
 
[X] Plan Just Say No to Daemon
-[X] [Conversation] Speak with Isembard Arryn
-[X] [Conversation] Speak with Qoren Martell
-[X] [Conversation] Speak with Lord Corlys Velaryon.
-[X] [Conversation] Speak with Laena Velaryon
-[X] [Action] Propose a Plan to Collect The Stepstone Tolls
-[X] [Action] Prepare for a Trip to Dragonstone

This is Azel's plan, but dropping Gwayne for Laena. The idea is to avoid talking to Daemon ourselves because of Stress, and also to be as dissuasive as possible of a continued Velaryon-Daemon alliance on the Velaryon side, while also talking up the toll authority to Corlys. But also gonna approval-vote the original, as it has the best chance right now of avoiding Daemon.

[X] Plan Old Commitments And Preparations
 
[X] Plan Old Commitments And Preparations
[X] Plan Old Commitments, Preparations And A Massive Gamble
[X] Plan Just Say No to Daemon
[X] Plan OCAP Plus Maesters
 
This is Azel's plan, but dropping Gwayne for Laena. The idea is to avoid talking to Daemon ourselves because of Stress, and also to be as dissuasive as possible of a continued Velaryon-Daemon alliance on the Velaryon side, while also talking up the toll authority to Corlys. But also gonna approval-vote the original, as it has the best chance right now of avoiding Daemon.
We have a chance of immeditaly solving the Issue with Melos with an uncomfortable conversation with our dear uncle, unless we are taking 20 stress or more I think it is very much doing it ASAP h worth it...
 
We have a chance of immeditaly solving the Issue with Melos with an uncomfortable conversation with our dear uncle, unless we are taking 20 stress or more I think it is very much doing it ASAP h worth it...
If we were at, say, thirty stress I might agree, but we're not. We're at fifty-two. And options that will continue to increase stress (for example, flying to Harrenhal to investigate our dragon/wierwood dream) remain popular with the thread. So I do not relish the idea of looking down a barrel of seventy-plus stress. Even if we plan to immediately mitigate it with a Dragonstone vacation–plans change, or even if they don't don't necessarily come off perfectly. Syrax could be attacked and killed by the Cannibal once we're on Dragonstone for all we know at the moment. Or Johanna's next child could be a boy.
 
Even if we plan to immediately mitigate it with a Dragonstone vacation–plans change, or even if they don't don't necessarily come off perfectly. Syrax could be attacked and killed by the Cannibal once we're on Dragonstone for all we know at the moment. Or Johanna's next child could be a boy.
Preparing for the vacay is part of this turn's plan, so it's pretty secure from change. As far as unforeseen fuck-ups... I trust that TS isn't going to suddenly kill off our dragon just because we spent three months on Dragonstone (not to mention that Cannibal, afaik, goes for smaller prey), and Johanna's next being a boy is not a catastrophic level source of Stress when we have been doing so much to shore up our position and impress the Realm (if not all in a positive way). It would enable some gain over time, sure, but not immediately plunge us into despair.

I think we have more than enough of a safety margin, personally. I like to go on about how I'm worried with all this Stress gain, but we are taking steps to mitigate it, and potentially cutting through the issue with Mellos is worth Stress gain.
 
If we were at, say, thirty stress I might agree, but we're not. We're at fifty. And options that will continue to increase stress (for example, flying to Harrenhal to investigate our dragon/wierwood dream) remain popular with the thread. So I do not relish the idea of looking down a barrel of 70+ stress. Even if we plan to immediately mitigate it with a Dragonstone vacation–plans change, or even if they don't don't necessarily come off perfectly. Syrax could be attacked and killed by the Cannibal once we're on Dragonstone for all we know at the moment. Or Johanna's next child could be a boy.
And how much would will increase our stress when Viserys loses his arm? Because honestly knwing our Nyra, she would get much more stressed knowing that when she couldshe didn't do anything...

Talking with Daemon would probably get us 5 stress points or less, it is an acceptable hit if we can get Dad a better treatment immediately...
 
We have a chance of immeditaly solving the Issue with Melos with an uncomfortable conversation with our dear uncle, unless we are taking 20 stress or more I think it is very much doing it ASAP h worth it...
I mean lets not rule out the possibility of Raenyra gaining stress from realizing that Daemon killed Melos after their chat.

Just because we'd love if he rid us of this turbulent maester, doesn't mean Rhaenyra meant that.
 
Just because we'd love if he rid us of this turbulent maester, doesn't mean Rhaenyra meant that.
Also, we might just mean it, and have to carry the guilt of having ordered the man's assassination (which he more than earned by suggesting that a Martell match should see us stripped of our inheritance, but still). We know what Daemon is like, both in-character and out; and multiple voters have brought up the possibility that Daemon would take such a conversation as an instruction.
 
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I mean lets not rule out the possibility of Raenyra gaining stress from realizing that Daemon killed Melos after their chat.

Just because we'd love if he rid us of this turbulent maester, doesn't mean Rhaenyra meant that.
The default course of action is "wait for him to die and hope he does it soon" though, so it's highly unlikely to be a large stress gain imo.
 
The default course of action is "wait for him to die and hope he does it soon" though, so it's highly unlikely to be a large stress gain imo.
What I mean is that there is a difference between us going to Daemon and saying
"Man Melos is bad at his job and is slowly killing my father. Uncle could you do something to convince him to replace Melos"

And
"Uncle could you do something *wink wink* to remove Melos from his position."
 
What I mean is that there is a difference between us going to Daemon and saying
"Man Melos is bad at his job and is slowly killing my father. Uncle could you do something to convince him to replace Melos"

And
"Uncle could you do something *wink wink* to remove Melos from his position."
I don't think we will tell Daemon what to do, or even ask him to do anything in particular. I think we will describe the severity of the situation, express our worry and uncertainty on what to do, and let him get to the conclusion himself.
 
What I mean is that there is a difference between us going to Daemon and saying
"Man Melos is bad at his job and is slowly killing my father. Uncle could you do something to convince him to replace Melos"

And
"Uncle could you do something *wink wink* to remove Melos from his position."
I don't think we will tell Daemon what to do, or even ask him to do anything in particular. I think we will describe the severity of the situation, express our worry and uncertainty on what to do, and let him get to the conclusion himself.
Of such ambiguities are blood and cheese made.
 
Also, we might just mean it, and have to carry the guilt of having ordered the man's assassination (which he more than earned by suggesting that a Martell match should see us stripped of our inheritance, but still). We know what Daemon is like, both in-character and out; and multiple voters have brought up the possibility that Daemon would take such a conversation as an instruction.
I mean lets not rule out the possibility of Raenyra gaining stress from realizing that Daemon killed Melos after their chat.

Just because we'd love if he rid us of this turbulent maester, doesn't mean Rhaenyra meant that.
What I mean is that there is a difference between us going to Daemon and saying
"Man Melos is bad at his job and is slowly killing my father. Uncle could you do something to convince him to replace Melos"

And
"Uncle could you do something *wink wink* to remove Melos from his position."
Not too worried about it, we personally exeuted a man in the royal progress and we got only 7 stress... And as the saying goes "it becomes easier"
Just remembering everyone that Orwyle might have miscalculated Viserys health decline...
Better safe than sorry, and seriously if we can solve our problems with Melos with a single unconforatable converstion we should take it...
I don't think we will tell Daemon what to do, or even ask him to do anything in particular. I think we will describe the severity of the situation, express our worry and uncertainty on what to do, and let him get to the conclusion himself.
Yeah he either kills him or scares him into accepting Orwyle treatment both options work...
 
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Just remembering everyone that Orwyle might have miscalculated Viserys health decline...
The specific rate doesn't matter, it could be two years in actuality and it would still be an enormous issue for Rhaenyra. The problem is that 1) her father's arm is rotting, 2) the current treatments do exactly nothing to help with it, 3) Mellos refuses to apply any measures that might be more effective. Regardless of the specific time and date Viserys is going to lose an arm.
 
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I like the potential synergy in speaking with Isembard and doing the RTA set up in one turn. I know Isembard is currently working on his own thing but he's a pretty natural choice for a position as our representative or agent there. It could be what makes him a clear choice as future Master of coin if we want to go that way when Lord Beesbury retires even if we aren't Monarch yet.
 
[X] Plan Old Commitments, Preparations And A Massive Gamble
-[X] [Conversation] Speak with Isembard Arryn
-[X] [Conversation] Speak with Qoren Martell
-[X] [Conversation] Speak with Lord Corlys Velaryon.
-[X] [Conversation] Speak With Daemon Targaryen
--[X] Speak to Daemon about Viserys' Health
-[X] [Action] Propose a Plan to Collect The Stepstone Tolls
-[X] [Action] Prepare for a Trip to Dragonstone
 
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