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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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The facts as I see them are...

1 Viserys doesn't want to marry a child, and there are decent options besides marrying him to a child we can take to secure power.

2 Corlys has the lead on most of westeros at this point. The ball is somewhat in his court, which hurts our negotiation power. If we were to strip him of the alternative of trying to marry Laena to Viserys, Rhaenyra becomes his best option for a chance at the throne, and leverage is ours to wield.

3. Otto doesn't need much to be convinced to nudge the king toward a different marriage, and will have a far harder time convincing Viserys to awkwardly marry his daughters only friend her age than Rhaenyra will have convincing him to marry a stranger neither of them know with a decent likelihood to respect her claim to the throne and settle for lesser inheritance, before the boon to peace on the continent is pointed out.

With those conclusions, Plan the Conciliator puts us in the best position to secure our spot without ending up in a rough spot politically or sacrificing anyone's happiness.
 
I'm gonna make some points on the paper signing myself. Unlike with Ned using Roberts will. Viserys will actually be alive for many years after the paper is signed by Corlys, Viserys, Rhaenyra and whoever else we have it signed. So be more public acknowledged. Obviously Corlys can try breaking it later but would hurt his PR.

Though the more problem with getting Laena married to Viserys is he actually doesn't want to marry a child. The paper might be enough to convince him but not a sure thing.
 
While it is all a bit of a crap-shoot once Viserys dies, having his son be from a house as powerful and influential as the Velaryons or the Hightowers is just asking for that son to start some shit.

That's why I feel getting Viserys to marry a Dornish princess would be so beneficial. North and the Vale are basically on lock for Rhaenyra. (North for the ride or die oaths, and the Vale because Jeyne is both a cousin and woman) Sons of a Dornish women would never get the support of the Reach or Stormlands. Riverlands aren't backing an underdog for no reason.


If we want to make sure we remain the favored heir in the minds of all Westeros, even after a son is born to Viserys, we just have to absolutely cripple any opportunity for the son to gain allies in the first place. Which will happen, just by being born Dornish.
 
Wiggy said:
You mean the greens claiming viserys recanted about Rhaenyra being heir on his deathbed, offering everyone at least a fig leaf to hide behind?
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Yes. As one can see from that, people who felt that they didn't want to have Rhaenyra as queen would not have her as such, and having their oaths in writing would not have changed that or stopped them from inventing some figleaf to that end.
 
Teen Spirit said:
Of course Dorne was far from popular in the Seven Kingdoms. Marrying someone from the defiant Princedom would not go over smoothly with many lords. The Reach and the Stormlands would be outraged at the King's actions and many others would likely join them. A Dornish queen might be great for your own succession, but it would not do wonders for the stability of the Realm.
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Just quoting the update here. Dorne is an insane idea. At this rate we will have Daemon start the Dance early.
 
Just a reminder that our relationship and standing with various people will absolutely have an effect on how they react to our purposals. Maybe complicated a bit with Otto since his constant up and down approval has the man a bit confused about us.
 
I think a northern bride might have worked. The north are one of the least influential kingdom in the capitol's politics and take their oaths very seriously. Consequently they'd be less likely to go against our succession but even if they did go against our succession they would have had a harder time gathering support.
 
Teen Spirit said:
Just a reminder that our relationship and standing with various people will absolutely have an effect on how they react to our purposals. Maybe complicated a bit with Otto since his constant up and down approval has the man a bit confused about us.
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Quick reminder to everyone that Corlys is at "Frustrated" with us. By working against him, we are likely making yet another enemy and there's no match on offer that will offer remotely as much to our cause than the fleets and dragons of Driftmark.
 
Do want to point out how people in the kingdoms would react to a Dornish queen and it would not be good for Viserys and Rhaenyra because she pushed for it. Like Dorne isn't popular at all and actually hated. Assuming Viserys actually gives the idea any serious thought because it's a crazy idea.
 
Imperious said:
I think a northern bride might have worked. The north are one of the least influential kingdom in the capitol's politics and take their oaths very seriously. Consequently they'd be less likely to go against our succession but even if they did go against our succession they would have had a harder time gathering support.
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Issue is the North is remote and kind of keeps to themselves, Rhaenyra had no way of finding out if they had a prospective bride without asking, and if she asks that opens the floodgates.
 
Azel said:
Just quoting the update here. Dorne is an insane idea. At this rate we will have Daemon start the Dance early.
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It's a matter of short term vs long term stability. Going with any house that has large influence and popularity in Westeros, GUARANTEES that they will try to usurp Rhaenyra's position as soon as a son is in play and Viserys croaks.

Having Dorne fight along side the rest of Westeros against those slaving foreigners from Essos can also go a long way to allaying tension as well. Along with making Viserys himself look stronger, since it is his own alliance fighting instead of the near-treasonous Corlys/Daemon team up it was in canon.
 
And the moment Viserys says a Dornish Queen everyone is gonna object to the idea because of their connection to the Triarchy. Like it's not even funny how much people hate the Dornish. If Viserys actually goes through with it there will be rebellions and it could easily be ones we can't put down.
 
mrsean22 said:
And the moment Viserys says a Dornish Queen everyone is gonna object to the idea because of their connection to the Triarchy. Like it's not even funny how much people hate the Dornish. If Viserys actually goes through with it there will be rebellions and it could easily be ones we can't put down.
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I should point out the Dornish only supported the Triarchy after Daemon invaded the Stepstones.
 
Alpaca27 said:
It's a matter of short term vs long term stability. Going with any house that has large influence and popularity in Westeros, GUARANTEES that they will try to usurp Rhaenyra's position as soon as a son is in play and Viserys croaks.

Having Dorne fight along side the rest of Westeros against those slaving foreigners from Essos can also go a long way to allaying tension as well. Along with making Viserys himself look stronger, since it is his own alliance fighting instead of the near-treasonous Corlys/Daemon team up it was in canon.
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Daemon is our enemy already and Velaryon is close. Marrying a Dornish princess might be enough to convince people that the king is mad with grief and someone else should sit on the pointy chair.

We are not drowning in stability right now. I'd rather take the Tyrells than gamble on the Dornish not blowing up in our faces.
 
The Tyrells might actually work if we could keep our relationship with Otto tight. We could then obtain his support and that of the Hightowers by making them lord paramounts in case our half brother seeks to usurp us. Just have to make sure Otto never finds out that it was us that convinced Viserys to marry them.
 
We can still go for a Velaryon marriage later. Reason I didn't want to go with it this turn was because it seems desperate and Corlys seems convinced that Viserys is absolutely going to marry Laena, so why should he need go for the daughter.

The way he smirked when he said that Rhaenyra was heir, wanna make him desperate. Because after Viserys rejects Laena, the only paths left to him are Rhaenyra, the objectively true heir, or Daemon, certified headcase.
 
[X] Plan Not Great, Not Terrible

Yeah with so many people pushing for the Dornish match I have to go with this plan. At least here we'd possibly have more legal protection from the signed paper by multiple people while it being known for many years while Viserys is alive.
 
Viserys was hype for Rhaenyra to be the true heir while he was alive, right up until end. Having a plaque on the wall saying Rhaenyra is the best isn't going to count for anything.
 
Look. If we want to sink the marriage, then appeal to Rhaenys. She clearly doesn't want this and while I don't think Corlys will like use playing her against him either, at least theres a chance that not the entire house will become our enemies.
 
Teen Spirit said:
Issue is the North is remote and kind of keeps to themselves, Rhaenyra had no way of finding out if they had a prospective bride without asking, and if she asks that opens the floodgates.
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I have an idea. What about a Blackwood? Do they have a viable match? They're Old God worshippers, so they'd have difficulty gathering support from the faith of the seven, and whatever enemies we get in having a half brother from them we gain back from having the Brackens at our side unless Viserys screams out that it was us that convinced him to marry a Blackwood. It would probably also get house tully on our side as they'd worry about being displaced as lord paramounts if a king of one of their powerful vassals' blood ends up sitting the Iron Throne.
 
I think people aren't getting the point of the signed paper. It's not gonna stop people from rebellion. That's impossible with any person Viserys marries. The paper is about helping Rhaenyra when they make a move because it would get the more neutral people on her side and easy PR to use against them.
 
Imperious said:
I have an idea. What about a Blackwood? Do they have a viable match? They're Old God worshippers, so they'd have difficulty gathering support from the faith of the seven, and whatever enemies we get in having a half brother from them we gain back from having the Brackens at our side unless Viserys screams out that it was us that convinced him to marry a Blackwood. It would probably also get house tully on our side as they'd worry about being displaced as lord paramounts if a king of one of their powerful vassals' blood ends up sitting the Iron Throne.
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I listed all the options Rhaenyra was able to find info about. Other members of the Small Council maybe able to provide more info but that would require convincing Viserys to delay a decision.
 
mrsean22 said:
I think people aren't getting the point of the signed paper. It's not gonna stop people from rebellion. That's impossible with any person Viserys marries. The paper is about helping Rhaenyra when they make a move because it would get the more neutral people on her side and easy PR to use against them.
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We already have their oaths though. Nobody in canon rebelled against Rhaenyra because they claimed those oaths never happened due to lack of written evidence. They just invented some excuse or another on why those oaths no longer applied. How does getting those same oaths in writing change that?
 
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