The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
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I do hope we're going to get a reasonable number of in-game chances to work this out. I understand why we can't just have infinity conversations in a normal turn or whatever, but I hope we're not going to be restricted to "you can sound out only one potential marriage partner or relevant outside figure like Rhaenys/Otto/etc per three months, twelve month deadline" or something like that. Given that this is basically supposed to be Rhaenyra's #1 project and it's super important to both her and all the other people involved, I would hope that she'll be able to put a realistic amount of thought and analysis into this given the "by spring" deadline which is, what, 18-36 months from now I'm guessing depending on how much of capitalized Autumn we have left and how long Winter is.
(I really think capitalizing those seasons helps distinguish them from normal Earthly seasons)
UrbanAvena
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My priority for marriage preparation in the short term are dicussion with one of Alicent/Rhaenys/Qoren this turn for clearing the air on our main three consideration Romance, Internal Politic, and Foreign Affair. Alicent for the soonest chance then Rhaenys/Qoren. Then Viserys to clear the royal expectation and show our progress. Then we can take our leisure with the rest of marriage prep and candidate searching.
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write-in option to my votes.
But... first, there's a difference between being honest and being uninhibited and open. We don't know what Gwayne's hangups are around his sister, and we know he tends to make assumptions. In and of itself that doesn't make him a bad man or a bad husband or even a bad husband for Rhaenyra in particular; there are much worse problems for a man to have. Even aside from the obvious 'big deal' downsides many of the candidates have (e.g. Harwyn Strong has an Intrigue-monster brother who wants him and all his children dead, Laenor and heir production, Qoren and anti-Dornish sentiment), they're all going to have some personality defects or imperfections that we can live with if we care to.
Second, it's just a natural consequence of the way this stuff plays out. Since Teen Spirit's not going to write a 10000 word conversation, getting important things out of the way and starting the characters off with a better understanding of each other will have an effect on how the conversation goes.
[] [Marriage] Speak to Alicent Hightower
write-in option to my votes.
I had trouble parsing what you're saying here, but I think I understand.
But... first, there's a difference between being honest and being uninhibited and open. We don't know what Gwayne's hangups are around his sister, and we know he tends to make assumptions. In and of itself that doesn't make him a bad man or a bad husband or even a bad husband for Rhaenyra in particular; there are much worse problems for a man to have. Even aside from the obvious 'big deal' downsides many of the candidates have (e.g. Harwyn Strong has an Intrigue-monster brother who wants him and all his children dead, Laenor and heir production, Qoren and anti-Dornish sentiment), they're all going to have some personality defects or imperfections that we can live with if we care to.
Second, it's just a natural consequence of the way this stuff plays out. Since Teen Spirit's not going to write a 10000 word conversation, getting important things out of the way and starting the characters off with a better understanding of each other will have an effect on how the conversation goes.
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We aren't going to be in a position to marry until spring, probably the third turn of spring the earliest if we want to give the Vale time to unthaw so Jeyne can attend. That's probably another 10 turns minimum given the length of Westerosi winters.
I understand that. It just feels increasingly like this is building into thread crusade, like training and Alicent, where this becomes the threads focus unless something forces us to put it aside for a while, to the detriment of anything not a goal or one of Rhaenyra's three favorite ladies.
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Well, the action economy does legitimately force us to concentrate on a specific and manageable number of important priority projects if we actually want to get them done. There's a valid incentive structure to treat important tasks as being worth committing serious action economy focus to, rather than scattershotting our actions widely.
Alicent was a thread crusade because someone waved a sapphic childhood best friend romance option under SV questers' noses, it's like frickin' catnip.
Prowess training was a thread crusade because the thread, quite understandably, wanted to max out Rhaenyra's combat skills while she was still young and frankly that's actually paid off! If she hadn't trained so hard, she wouldn't have been ready for the Great Northern Tournament, she would have had to either bow out or lose to Criston Cole, and it would have been just bad all around.
The marriage thing is something where we actually legitimately do have a time constraint, so making it a high priority is entirely reasonable.
I understand your concern, but I don't know if we'd be better off trying to accomplish six different objectives at once with six actions per turn, rather than one primary and 2-3 secondaries.
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A time constraint of more than 2 years worth of turns(possibly even 3) because westerosi winters are long and it's unlikely to be rushed to be the very first turn of spring. Making it a priority is reasonable. High priority is pushing things.
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Somic
It's meow or never
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Does Rhaenyra strike you as someone who'd wait until the white raven arrives? Not to mention that the more seriously we take this, the better we'll be able to win approval and the more time we'll have to gauge opinions and navigate the changing landscape before the Progress resumes.
That said, as I wrote this, I thought of a surprising counterpoint. Alicent is still in the middle of her own character arc. She might not yet have the surety to be completely frank about what she wants. Maybe a choosing season can be a few turns long to give her time to settle on an opinion...
UrbanAvena
Stair climber and vertical movement enthusiast
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You are right. Investigating political consideration and Looking for Visenya Spellbooks can be something for the while waiting for Alicent character arc.
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There is a difference between doing something last minute and making it a multi action focus of every turn. Rhaenyra is focus and dedicated, but the voters choose her actions and whether something important is put to the side to focus extra hard on marriage. The playing to character trope doesn't hold up to a knighting at 16 levels of singular focus.
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Omegahugger
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[x] [Marriage] Speak with Rhaenys Targaryen
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Where things stand at the moment, will close in a few hours if nothing changes
I'm rather fascinated what Rhaenyra's gonna spin to Viserys to justify Gwayne being anywhere near in the running without Alicent as a justification.
I guess Viserys considered marrying Alicent so it's not *that* out there but still, she'd basically have to really sell that she personally wanted to marry him.
I guess Viserys considered marrying Alicent so it's not *that* out there but still, she'd basically have to really sell that she personally wanted to marry him.
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Gonna say right now, not that hard. They've spent several months on the road together and Rhaenyra directly pushed for him to be named to the city watch. She could honestly say he seems like he could be a firm ally.
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Gwayne accompanied us on our Progress, was there for us in our moment of crisis after executing Arnold, and is our best friend's brother whose position as the son of a second son poses little risk to our ability to rule in our own right.
EDIT: Ninja'd almost point for point by the QM 😭
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I think what was meant was justify as in "son of a second son". In terms of rank, not in terms of "where is that coming from?".
But even then, well, Otto and Viserys seem to be close enough that this probably won't be an issue.
[X] [Alicent] A Trip To Dragonstone
[X] [Steffon] Put His Name Forward
[X] [Marriage] Speak to Viserys
[X] [Steffon] Put His Name Forward
[X] [Marriage] Speak to Viserys
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I think that Rhaenyra would much rather have this resolved, work hard to make up her mind quickly, and then be able to announce her decision and get on with her life, than dawdle over the decision for a couple of years while she pursues other things.
A reputation for decisiveness will also help restore Viserys' confidence in Rhaenyra, which is a good thing to cultivate given that for the next 10-15 years he's going to be in a position to give us orders. If he knows he can trust us to make a decently good decision quickly without being pressured and prompted, it may well be less likely that he feels the need to make such decisions for us, or exercise his power to force our hand.
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I'm very much against the Leanor match, but I truly believe that Viserys without also including Otto isn't the best person to get our first bit of outside opinion on marriage candidates, so I've added Rhaenys to my approval voting. Rhaenys is an experienced and powerful individual, she has had a long marriage to her husband who is also powerful, but quite ambitious. Based off her conversations in the show with young Rhaenyra I suspect she will be reasonable in her opinions on what we should consider. Again I'm not into the Leanor match and this is a step towards it, but she I suspect has greater sense than Viserys in terms of what matches would seem reasonable or detrimental, and even if they are biased towards Velaryon interests at least we learn where their heads may be at, when not dealing with the more hot-headed and blind ambition of her husband.
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By the way, anyone who is in favour of "putting off" the marriage decision you're my favourite btw because you're accidentally arguing for a Laenor marriage.
In the book canon Rhaenyra kept refusing options and putting it off and so Viserys chose for her and he chose "stability" aka Laenor for her.
So actually yes as the number one "lets marry Laenor" stan you should all delay marriage and ignore Viserys asking us to sort that shit out
In the book canon Rhaenyra kept refusing options and putting it off and so Viserys chose for her and he chose "stability" aka Laenor for her.
So actually yes as the number one "lets marry Laenor" stan you should all delay marriage and ignore Viserys asking us to sort that shit out
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I would like to point aout that according to @Teen Spirit seasons are around 2 years on average, but considering that we are still on the frist year of Autumm, we are probably going to still have 3 years and a little after.
Honestly I would put one action every other turn, that is more than enough to speak with all the 4 real candates and, Alicent, and other possible advisors (especially if we can use the Talk actions to do so)...
If the current leading option in marriage task wins, we have already shown Viserys that we took the marriage very seriously, so as long as we show that we take that duty seriously
It is not "putting off" the marriage, it is simply to avoid to mono focus on it for the next 2-3 years and do other stuff...
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With the way actions and thread focus in this thread works anything other than getting the legwork done now means getting distracted by the next shiny object. Long term planning and SV are like oil and water /hj
More seriously - "focusing" this now with one action a turn means more info and less stress down the line (in and out of character). If we let Viserys make up our minds for us canon indicates he's going to pick Laenor for us. Anyone who is not onboard the Laenor train should be strongly motivated to research anyone including Laenor asap just to not end up with him by default. I say including because even as the number one Laenor stan there are drawbacks to marrying him and finding them out allows us to tell Viserys why we won't marry him.