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Hmm, Judgement could be something like ability to get perfect ability to counter specific threat, but only if its actively targeting the host or is a big enough threat to all in general at the moment. But most of the time is just an ability to be at the right time in the right place. Everything else mundane - perfect for some lazy life. Although, sometimes they would feel need to act against big threat...​
 
Andre Chaos said:
Hmm, Judgement could be something like ability to get perfect ability to counter specific threat, but only if its actively targeting the host or is a big enough threat to all in general at the moment. But most of the time is just an ability to be at the right time in the right place. Everything else mundane - perfect for some lazy life. Although, sometimes they would feel need to act against big threat...​
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the one word of god on judgement is that the role is about the final judgement. "Yeah, judgement is literally the final showdown." "it's ability as a Role is probably that you are completely normal and do almost nothing." "Until the time is right" "at which point you kick everyones ass"

So maybe you could leverage that for more than just one moment of power and be able to gain power during endings. But, its likely to be the final showdown for great infinite power.
 
The metaphysician turns out to be a villain, strangely I always thought of him as a hero. Although if you think about it, the title of the villain really suits him better, given his domineering manner of behavior and potentially dangerous experiments that affect entire regions.
 
Who determines and on what basis is someone classified as a hero or villain? These terms are used to simplify things for human comprehension. I would refer to individuals who capture parts of other states as criminals based on international and local laws, regardless of their moral alignment. And this would be true statement.​
 
My computer will finally be repaired tomorrow; I'll need some time to get my stuff in order after that but I expect we might see the final tally happen before or around the weekend.

Also, the thread does not currently have sufficient Student Credit, although you are more than halfway there to one of the big purchases.
 
firefrog600 said:
Panic everyone PANIC!
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Ok, I would panik. But lazely.
I was reading through some information about our sweet Loaf on Discord. This poor guy has lost all hope in human decency and the ability to change things because facts keep smacking this reality into his eyes repeatedly. It doesn't matter what one person does because people tend to work based on statistics and take the path of least resistance. If something is done by one person, it will be drowned out by the actions of millions doing the opposite. If an action requires thinking and acting in new ways, the probability of it happening is much lower because it is more energy-intensive. The human brain is a great machine, but like all creations of nature, it is lazy. It seeks to waste as little energy as possible and has many mechanisms to support this. This is why people have stereotypes, are able to come up with causes for their actions after doing them without even realizing it, and why they often try to push responsibility onto others in groups.

If someone suddenly falls down and there is only one person around, they would probably help and do so quite quickly. However, if it's a crowd of people, everyone would think, "Surely someone else would help this person," and they would either walk away or hesitate for some time. Actions require energy. This is also why people may hear your warnings and advice but still continue doing the same things as always. Thinking of new behaviors, new strategies, planning, and taking action on them is mentally taxing. It is not a high priority for the brain because it involves shaping new neural connections for the future. It is easier to stick to familiar routines, forget, rely on luck, or believe that bad things will never happen to you based on past experiences.

Loafers more naive and optimistic views were repeatedly challenged by reality, leading to doubts being introduced into his mind. The relentless nature of these challenges began to shape and wear down his psyche because everything has limits, including the human will. Eventually, his limits were tested and he reached a breaking point. So his worldview changed into more pessimistic, hopeless one. Loafer saw this of course, but sometimes knowing something doesn't give ability to resist it. Most likely, he took up self-digging and due to the fact that the analysis tool itself is biased, came to some pretty grimm conclusions. And this made things even worse.

I am perfectly can relate to pessimistic outlook on the world. This is bad, this is sad, but unchangeable in a short term. Now even seeing good things happen would lead to him looking for bad-side effects, possible pitfalls and some other facts to reinforce the distorted perception. And even knowing about it not going to change things - we need some look from the side, someone who would take him away from searching pessimistic things first. People who are experiencing depression are often aware of their condition but find it challenging to take action without assistance. Depression itself can impair the very tools needed for self-repair. Therefore, it is important to actively engage in social activities. This engagement can potentially initiate a positive pattern of neural connections in the brain. Loafer has facts of bad things in his database - he needs to seek for other data points, but doing so require other people assistance. Especially after his curse of unheard oracle was lifted. So good thing may start to happen because of his predictions.

However, these are just my thoughts and feelings about it.​
 
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Andre Chaos said:
Who determines and on what basis is someone classified as a hero or villain? These terms are used to simplify things for human comprehension. I would refer to individuals who capture parts of other states as criminals based on international and local laws, regardless of their moral alignment. And this would be true statement.​
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Aren't they considered villains? I mean, the Phantasien Council kidnapped the governor and forced him to write a magical contract. If the international community does not consider them criminals, then the Phantasien Council is clearly exporting the elixir of eternal youth or other overvalued magical nonsense.

By the way, does anyone have any ideas about our future strategy?
As far as I understand, few people are interested in the role of a magic merchant, but then what role will we play and how to position ourselves with others?
 
Fghubyygvb said:
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We cannot be charimatic leader, becuase it is not our style and there are people better at this.

We cannot just do our thing and cut all connections, becuase our curse finally was lifted and we may start to change things. Its a glimmer of hope, we need to stop this self-reinforcing loop of despair and this is our chance to do so.

We can take on the position of the adviser. Or maybe some gray cardinal role.

We should think about, how to protect people we care about, how to get useful people on our side. And how to keep potential dangerous people out of destructive ways. Because now we are in the world of Enrolled.

Also, we need to think how to project ourselves to general public. Because this is also matters.​

Edit: But before all of that we need some goals. What do we want to achieve? Any strategy need some goals, short- and long-term, something to base our plans and course of action upon. Because without it we woud not be able to tell, if our path works while trying it.
 
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Fghubyygvb said:
I wonder if a Metaphysician would be able to kill a cultivator in the peak state of a detached buddha?
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I believe that a special approach is required. It involves understanding how his power works, the time it takes for him to have an impact, and whether he needs to come up with new ideas each time. We should also identify his blind spots and mental weaknesses. It is important to recognize that victory is not solely achieved on the battlefield, but through thorough preparation beforehand. Perhaps there is a combination of abilities that, if used correctly and at the right time, will neutralize him.

Although, I think that Education is a real threat. I feel, they do all of this for something. Maybe they want some worthy opponents?​
 
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firefrog600 said:
Uh peak buddha too many severs is top of the universe dude. Like its not comparable.
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But such level of disassociation probably leads to unacting nature. Also, peak buddha still exist, which means they are probably within radius of ontological manipulations. To beat him, we need someone Metaphysician cannot detect or even think about. We need infohazard, high-level stranger. Cultivator probably could do something like this, but at what cost? Also, Metaphysician probably could fine tune some of his created effects to target Cultivator, if they go infohazrd. But I am not sure, how things going to interact.​

Edit: I still have hard time imagining full scope of Metaphysics abilities. For example, if he wants to transmute lead to gold, what steps should he take? Just want it? But how long it takes to 'want' something? Should he think about the end result - in how much detail, how much time it takes?
 
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Andre Chaos said:
But such level of disassociation probably leads to unacting nature. Also, peak buddha still exist, which means they are probably within radius of ontological manipulations. To beat him, we need someone Metaphysician cannot detect or even think about. We need infohazard, high-level stranger. Cultivator probably could do something like this, but at what cost? Also, Metaphysician probably could fine tune some of his created effects to target Cultivator, if they go infohazrd. But I am not sure, how things going to interact.​

Edit: I still have hard time imagining full scope of Metaphysics abilities. For example, if he wants to transmute lead to gold, what steps should he take? Just want it? But how long it takes to 'want' something? Should he think about the end result - in how much detail, how much time it takes?
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Uh no not really at the cost of the first thing you mentioned their basically the peak they LITERALLY transcend these things. The ontology stuff wouldn't harm us at all but the cost would be not caring at all. Like even a bodhisattva gets us to the top of the setting Buddha guarantees us the top of this setting. Like its not comparable but it does make us basically invincible at the cost of well being a buddha.
 
Basically being an "all mighty idiot" in the sense that the Buddha never does anything and cares about nobody/nothing but is the strongest.
 
Same thing as being dead, if you ask me.

WHISPER said:
It's totally inhuman which fits.
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It's totally useless, which the same as being dead. One who doesn't exist also may be invincible and even all mighty, but they are literally do nothing all the time. Because they are dead. Totally inhuman, totally meaningless and probably doesn't worth it. At this point everything making someone person is a long gone. So maybe something a little bit below should be good.​
 
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WHISPER said:
Basically being an "all mighty idiot" in the sense that the Buddha never does anything and cares about nobody/nothing but is the strongest.
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Given you could get to buddha level without sacrificing all personality and emotions. But, the level to get the buddha means you care for very very little. Like maybe you'll help if the universe is about to end and you'll likely help if asked for guidance. But, unless someone reaches you your not doing shit heck even if they reach you your likely not to do much.
 
Andre Chaos said:
Same thing as being dead, if you ask me.


It's totally useless, which the same as being dead. One who doesn't exist also may be invincible and even all mighty, but they are literally do nothing all the time. Because they are dead. Totally inhuman, totally meaningless and probably doesn't worth it. At this point everything making someone person is a long gone. So maybe something a little bit below should be good.​
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Hey the goal was bodhisattva which gets us to the top of the setting without even considering more meta resources. Asides no one ever said it'd be good to be a buddha you'd occasionally teach and basically continue to transcend past all barriers to a level higher and higher constantly but at the cost of the power being almost inconsequential.
 
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For the sake of doing it?

Like I said it's not Supposed to make sense or be desirable from a normal human view.
 
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Educator. We need to prepare to potentially fight them. Because out of all possible threats, this one is the most dangerous, unpredictable and unknown. Maybe it has some goals to achive and using Enrolled to do so. If they are inhuman, than more reasons to be ready, because we cannot tell for sure, what they would do. Maybe Classes specified and created to shape the world in specific way.​

WHISPER said:
How is going down the same as up?
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Because its inhuman logic, transcendent beyond our understanding. If answer for: "Why going up?" - is 'why not'. Then the same can be told about: "Why going down?" - 'why not'. Just go down for the sake of doing it the same way one was going up before!😜

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It doesn't make sense to humans but that doesn't mean that it doesn't have a pattern and the Buddhas is being on top not down.
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But what is top and what is bottom? These are just human words to describe things. For example, my down and yours are different directions, because we stay on different places of Earth. So they could go up and made full circle at some point - reaching the bottom again.
 
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Well the Educator seems to be a great cut above the rest considering he can create universes just so that a class can have a themed World.
 
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Andre Chaos said:
Because its inhuman logic, transcendent beyond our understanding. If answer for: "Why going up?" - is 'why not'. Then the same can be told about: "Why going down?" - 'why not'. Just go down for the sake of doing it the same way one was going up before!
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No because going "down" is not the point of the Buddha.

It doesn't make sense to humans but that doesn't mean that it doesn't have a pattern and the Buddhas is being on top not down.
 
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