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WHISPER said:
Well the Educator seems to be a great cut above the rest considering he can create universes just so that a class can have a themed World.
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Does he told it himself? Is this speculations, playing with meaning perhaps? Or just act of threatening potential danger?We don't really know scope of his power, his limitations, goals. Well, at least not in-character.
 
Andre Chaos said:
Does he told it himself? Is this speculations, playing with meaning perhaps? Or just act of threatening potential danger?We don't really know scope of his power, his limitations, goals. Well, at least not in-character.
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Birsie said that if a fitting World doesn't exist than he creates them himself which is a big power difference considering most stuff seems to be Planetary in pure scale/size.
 
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WHISPER said:
Birsie said that if a fitting World doesn't exist than he creates them himself which is a big power difference considering most stuff seems to be Planetary in scale.
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World. In the sense it's the same physical place. Not a simulation? Although, maybe its not a big deal. Maybe this his limitation. Creating worlds, when we deal with metaphysics and powers, not such a big thing. We can give random person ability to create worlds, but they still may be killed by a bullet. Also, there is a possibility, that Educator is not a real entity, which doing all work. It may be just a messager of something else.

I cannot just look at such entity and don't think about it. Maybe there is some system to implement, which would make it impossible to take full classes to enroll. What would it do in this scenario? What if all classes around the world are made of ten people? What if there are no suitable ones?​

Edit: I think too much about it. However, I still put it on the goals list: "Learn who/what Educator is. Why they are doing all of this".
Also, remind me, why we these specific items?

Contraband Items
Survival Handbook To Educational Enrollment
Tarot Deck
Comfy Pillow
Baton
Solar Charger
Phone + USB of Calibrated "Educational Videos"
Cigarettes
Lighter
Coffee Jello (x7)
 
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Andre Chaos said:
Why keep transcending past all barriers to a level higher and higher, if you don't care?


Well, by the same logic we pretty much can start to go down to Earth again. Oh, these meaningless eldritch abominations!:V
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Oh they can still care about very few things it all depends on what you transcend and asides they'd do it by their very nature of cultivating somewhere alone in the universe.
 
The "creates universe" quote is vague on purpose so it could be that he simply brings them there or he creates them but the possibility for creating is definitely there.
 
Andre Chaos said:
World. In the sense it's the same physical place. Not a simulation? Although, maybe its not a big deal. Maybe this his limitation. Creating worlds, when we deal with metaphysics and powers, not such a big thing. We can give random person ability to create worlds, but they still may be killed by a bullet. Also, there is a possibility, that Educator is not a real entity, which doing all work. It may be just a messager of something else.

I cannot just look at such entity and don't think about it. Maybe there is some system to implement, which would make it impossible to take full classes to enroll. What would it do in this scenario? What if all classes around the world are made of ten people? What if there are no suitable ones?​

Edit: I think too much about it. However, I still put it on the goals list: "Learn who/what Educator is. Why they are doing all of this".
Also, remind me, why we these specific items?

Contraband Items
Survival Handbook To Educational Enrollment
Tarot Deck
Comfy Pillow
Baton
Solar Charger
Phone + USB of Calibrated "Educational Videos"
Cigarettes
Lighter
Coffee Jello (x7)
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I'll note creating universes in the grand scheme of the silververse is chump change. So its not all that big a deal.

For those items survival handbook because it gives us insight on the educators class, past students, strategies, and plans and is useful for future bargaining. Tarot deck because it cost .1 sc and its basically a gacha for us but its already proven its worth as we got 1 sc reduction on king of magi by saying we fit the class more because the magician has control of the minor arcana and we had the foresight to bring the deck. Comfy pillow helps with will. Baton to protect us in case of early combat. Solar charger to charge laptops and devices. Phone for well a phone and educational stuff for both ourselves and bargaining. Cigs for bargaining. lighter for bargaining. Coffee jello to up our will.
 
Andre Chaos said:
World. In the sense it's the same physical place. Not a simulation? Although, maybe its not a big deal. Maybe this his limitation. Creating worlds, when we deal with metaphysics and powers, not such a big thing. We can give random person ability to create worlds, but they still may be killed by a bullet. Also, there is a possibility, that Educator is not a real entity, which doing all work. It may be just a messager of something else.

I cannot just look at such entity and don't think about it. Maybe there is some system to implement, which would make it impossible to take full classes to enroll. What would it do in this scenario? What if all classes around the world are made of ten people? What if there are no suitable ones?​

Edit: I think too much about it. However, I still put it on the goals list: "Learn who/what Educator is. Why they are doing all of this".
Also, remind me, why we these specific items?

Contraband Items
Survival Handbook To Educational Enrollment
Tarot Deck
Comfy Pillow
Baton
Solar Charger
Phone + USB of Calibrated "Educational Videos"
Cigarettes
Lighter
Coffee Jello (x7)
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Survival handbook to help ourselves and gain favour with others, tarot deck because it gives us arguing power with the educator (we got an SC discount), comfy pillow for will recharge, baton for defense, charger to charge others phones and gain favour as well as the videos, cigarette and lighter to sell the cigarettes tho lighter will be useless long term, and coffee jello for more will recharge

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Hmm, interesting did someone ever tried to take role of the Educator? And get similar abilities. This would be funny.
 
Naan said:
Survival handbook to help ourselves and gain favour with others, tarot deck because it gives us arguing power with the educator (we got an SC discount), comfy pillow for will recharge, baton for defense, charger to charge others phones and gain favour as well as the videos, cigarette and lighter to sell the cigarettes tho lighter will be useless long term, and coffee jello for more will recharge

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No the tarot deck wasn't for arguing power thats what its been used for. I'm still not completely unsure if we can still leverage it more and get a minor artifact out of it or something. Maybe ask if we can use it for tarot related rituals because we are the magician in control of the minor arcana.
 
To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if a power creep happens later on and that is when stuff like "creates universes" start to really appear.

This isn't evidence or anything like that but God Diversion has "ultimate power" as a tag and Immersion also had that tag and got pretty crazy later on (horror King etc.) But again that is only me thinking about stuff.
 
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WHISPER said:
To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if a power creep happens later on and that is when stuff like "creates universes" start to really appear.

This isn't evidence or anything like that but God Diversion has "ultimate power" as a tag and Immersion also had that Tag and got pretty crazy later on (horror King etc.) But again that is only me thinking about stuff.
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Pretty sure our peak character could probably leverage their way in this quest to get potential for one of the top beings in the silververse. Of course we could just cap out as one of the top of this setting. But, I'm sure there are plenty of options out there to pursue that would let our last chapter character hit the top of the verse at the very end or in the future. Like theoretically koji given centuries could get up there. But, he probably won't but maybe like the godcard protagonist we'll really bloat out near the end.
 
If only Sol was a stage magician, then maybe it would bring us closer to the magician

Edit: Maybe we could even put on a show to help other choose their roles.
"And the next card going to be..." :V

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Also, can someone tell me full list of argument we have for the Loafer to get this specific Role? I think, it's kinda important.
 
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Firefrog is asking whether there are any arguments you've already considered, not yet made by the thread, which if made would provide a discount of 1(or more) Student Credit.
Birdsie — Today at 9:06 AM A couple


So maybe think about this if you can guys since we don't have the student credit to afford things yet.
 
Ok, let's see what arguments Loafer might give to take desired Role.

1. He already knew they would be enrolled today and got ready. This one only Nerd knows, but he can show his preparation items. This prediction surely makes him closer to the Magician.
2. He has Tarot Deck with him, which tell people he knew even about Theme of the Class. It's a Miracle worth of the Magician.
3. His name is literally Solomon. This figure often associated with magic and mystical practices, particularly in folklore and legends. Loafer fits the bill.
4. He is willing to use this power to help his classmates. Use this argument as a possible bribe, who don't want this Role anyway, but wondering if Sol worth supporting.
5. He migh use his knoweledge and ability to ruin a reputation of bullies for a moment, if they try something against him. Or he can move against them anyway just to bribe Athlete and Nerd to be on his side. Make a coalition of sorts to help each other.​
6. Could maybe ask for a pity acceptance from other that while he fit the role, he also need it for he has so little will
7. Possible bluff/prediction option: "Hello, mr Educator, I'd like to hand in my first piece of homework now, ahem: King Of Swords, Eight Of Wands, King of Wands, Ace of Wands, Page of Wands". - if it's an assignment like 'using only a series of at most 9 minor arcana, communicate [The Metaphysician Is The Educator's Greatest Student] for example.'
8. Possible rational argument: "Every one of us should get most potent and suitable Role for them, because after we graduate we would come back into the world with other more experienced Enrolled". - I think, what audience believe is true matter more here. It's an argument, where goal is not to find a truth, but make other believe in our position and take it as truth. If they think this Role is really suitable for us, than this second reason may be useful.​
9. It is possible to argue as the magician one should be skilled at anything they try. Risky, but maybe.

These are all I could remember from top of my head, came up with or ask from other people.​
 
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Maybe an argument for our suitability for the role is our preparedness for the situation. Along with that maybe argue to our fellow students that if they allow us the magician we will make some stuff for the class to use. Essentially bribes. Also allowing them access to the eventual tower we make as it could be a good base for everyone. The tower could have beneficial things for the class and we could definitely make some things for them. This as an in character argument to them I know extra effort for people isn't his thing but it is an argument. Heck since we're aiming for summons we could even tell them we're willing to have said summons help them too whether when it comes to training or helping them.
 
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Maybe Sol could use his knowledge about some bullies to get edge? Like, if two other guys try to push him - Sol may tell pretty persuasively about them being just pitfull bullies. And we know both Nerd and Athlete are aware, but this may also bring Popular on our side. Maybe even use verbal trap to get them to confess. Because we need to get rid of possible opposition too.​
 
Andre Chaos said:
Maybe Sol could use his knowledge about some bullies to get edge? Like, if two other guys try to push him - Sol may tell pretty persuasively about them being just pitfull bullies. And we know both Nerd and Athlete are aware, but this may also bring Popular on our side. Maybe even use verbal trap to get them to confess. Because we need to get rid of possible opposition too.​
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I don't think that specifically but we could argue that sol can use his knowledge to know what would allow him to persuade others. But, given birdsie doesn't just give us said answers I dunno. I don't think confronting the bullies helps here much but maybe some info on the other students here would help.
 
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It may help create coalition. Some people want somethins, specific Roles. We may help them to get what they want, if they would help us in return. Bullies situation may be used to get an edge in negotations, get some trust. I feel, like this can be used to our adventage, because both Nerd and Athlete are aware of situation. We need to think about all possibilities. It doesn't mean Loafer would use them all, it may be just reasonable in some situations.​

Edit: "Why should you be King of Magi, Solomon?" - I could argue, because no one else is suitable. But I don't know who we have in class.

Edit 2: Who Solomon even is as a person?
He is a genius, but drown in despair.
He is a seer, whose power doesn't make his life better.
He is a talented and has huge potential, but not realized it.
Maybe there is some answers...

Edit 3: Well, no one really has any ideas, I suppose... I am also not sure, what else Sol could do to tip the scale of an argument for his good.
 
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If Birdsie decides to go for the most popular option we can afford in the absence of sufficient SC Denial of Predesination wins.

If we have sufficient SC we get King of Magi.
 
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