[X] See if you can help it get back to sentience with the parts it has, but more reasonable.
[X] Be up front about who you are, the situation, and Liv's powers. Explain all the AI nonsense.
- [x] maybe not in front of the criminal engineer guy though?


These might not be the optimal choices to make at the current time, but honestly? Fuck optimal. Both Liv and Athena are emotional people, and these actions make the most sense to me given the emotions that have to be in play in this situation: Live scrambling to fix what she broke so she can (hopefully) convince herself that she didn't kill a person, not permanently; and Athena is friends with Cowl, and wants her to believe that, while she's not fleshy, she's still a person.
I wasn't sure where I was voting, but that's a great reason for those options. You've convinced me.
 
[X] See if you can help it get back to sentience with the parts it has, but more reasonable.
[X] Deflect

I think we probably do owe Justine a bit of an explanation, but the middle of a mission isn't the time or place for it, and I don't feel like lying to her about it is really the right approach either, since as a spider person, the secret would inevitably come out at the worst possible time
 

As in, in front of the spasming AI and the programmer that was playing father? In the house they claimed as their own?

Is that what the Deflect option is for?

E: missed some posts, ignore me

[X] See if you can help it get back to sentience with the parts it has, but more reasonable.
[X] Be up front about who you are, the situation, and Liv's powers. Explain all the AI nonsense.
 
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[X] See if you can help it get back to sentience with the parts it has, but more reasonable.
We don't have the right to kill people if we can avoid it.
(I exclude, to some extent, literal Nazis).
 
[X] See if you can help it get back to sentience with the parts it has, but more reasonable.

We are not wholly a fan of changing a person like that. On the other hand, coming back from a pause different is something we have experienced, and that can still involve choice, and that can in many ways be quite similar to therapy. And if you just sat down our machine friend here for some therapy, this would likely be one thing to be worked on?

[X] Be up front about who you are, the situation, and Liv's powers. Explain all the AI nonsense.
Yes yes this please! Athena needs to have more people she can talk to!
Sure she can talk to people online, but it is a big difference if you can also have people you can talk to in person. Who can connect you to a face, or to a voice, or other emotions that are stronger than just what you get across via text!
Also it really really sucks if you have to hide who you are. And what you are. But having to hide that you even exist? Oh no that is even worse. And if Athena had to pretend to be Liv here - well, she would still have to pretend not to exist in a lot of ways! Because there is a huge difference between "this person exists somewhere" and "this person is me, right here right now". Might be explaining it badly but ye, this is the much better option.
 
[X] See if you can help it get back to sentience with the parts it has, but more reasonable.
[X] Be up front about who you are, the situation, and Liv's powers. Explain all the AI nonsense.

THe way I sees it, we should try and make as many computer fren as possible, and...like...if Justine is gonna be working with us, she's GOING to find out eventually. Better find out in a way we can control, rather than through some half revelation that makes her think you're being possesses or something.
 
Another tough choice. Hm... I want to restore the AI to consciousness as quickly and painlessly as possible, but the risks are too high for doing a rush job in a villain base when cops might show up at any moment (the AI said they blocked some calls, but who knows if there have been more?)

Even if Liv can restore the AI quickly, the machine will still be stuck in this building. I don't think there's going to be a quick resolution here no matter what Liv does.

[X] Just get a good idea of what the machine is, study it, but leave it well enough alone.

For the Athena vote, I don't want to lie to Justine (more than we already have), but I really don't want to discuss sensitive information near Philip Grant (and who knows if they have recording devices in here).

So, I'm going to go with a (hopefully acceptable) write-in.

[X] Deflect.
-[X] Promise a full explanation once they've left the supervillain lair.
 
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Another tough choice. Hm... I want to restore the AI to consciousness as quickly and painlessly as possible, but the risks are too high for doing a rush job in a villain base when cops might show up at any moment (the AI said they blocked some calls, but who knows if there have been more?)

[X] Just get a good idea of what the machine is, study it, but leave it well enough alone.

For the Athena vote, I don't want to lie to Justine (more than we already have), but I really don't want to discuss sensitive information near Philip Grant (and who knows if they have recording devices in here).

So, I'm going to go with a (hopefully acceptable) write-in.

[X] Deflect.
-[X] Promise a full explanation once they've left the supervillain lair.
acceptable
 
[X] See if you can help it get back to sentience with the parts it has, but more reasonable.
[X] Be up front about who you are, the situation, and Liv's powers. Explain all the AI nonsense.
- [x] maybe not in front of the criminal engineer guy though?
[X] Deflect.
-[X] Promise a full explanation once they've left the supervillain lair.
 
[X] See if you can help it get back to sentience with the parts it has, but more reasonable.
[X] Be up front about who you are, the situation, and Liv's powers. Explain all the AI nonsense.
- [x] maybe not in front of the criminal engineer guy though?
[X] Deflect.
-[X] Promise a full explanation once they've left the supervillain lair.
 
No strong opinion on other other half - I'd be up for bringing it back exactly the same as it was so we can reason with it under less violent circumstances, primarily - but I do think that this is a good write-in.

[X] Deflect.
-[X] Promise a full explanation once they've left the supervillain lair.
 
[X] See if you can help it get back to sentience with the parts it has, but more reasonable.
[X] Deflect.
-[X] Promise a full explanation once they've left the supervillain lair.
 
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Well enough she wouldn't notice she's talking to a different person? Let's find out.
You'd be surprised. It's often really easy. Singlets don't even consider "litterally a different person" as an explaination, and will instead either not botice anything or reach for explainations like a weird mood, not having slept well, joking around, being on drugs (!?) or pretty much anything else under the sun. She would have no trouble at all.

The whole multiple personalities thing is probably going to take over more of Liv's life in the future, and we shouldn't expect it to stay secret, but I think it's in character for Athena to be reluctant to talk about it openly.
Not sure I love that wording, though there are certainly times my host feels like this has "taken over his life" a little bit. As for the rest, I'll note that it's perfectly possible to live a fairly normal life like this (aside from the obvious!) and keep it secret, and that that's what the vast, vast majority of actual systems do. It's often the safest, easiest choice. In my case, our roommate and one online friend who previously thought my host was a singlet know about me, and beyond that it's just people I've gotten to meet as myself online in one way or another. Even this much is a relatively recent development. We'll probably never be out at work unless societal attitudes change drastically, for example. But it's very nice to be out at home at least.

We are not wholly a fan of changing a person like that. On the other hand, coming back from a pause different is something we have experienced, and that can still involve choice, and that can in many ways be quite similar to therapy. And if you just sat down our machine friend here for some therapy, this would likely be one thing to be worked on?

Yes yes this please! Athena needs to have more people she can talk to!
Sure she can talk to people online, but it is a big difference if you can also have people you can talk to in person. Who can connect you to a face, or to a voice, or other emotions that are stronger than just what you get across via text!
Also it really really sucks if you have to hide who you are. And what you are. But having to hide that you even exist? Oh no that is even worse. And if Athena had to pretend to be Liv here - well, she would still have to pretend not to exist in a lot of ways! Because there is a huge difference between "this person exists somewhere" and "this person is me, right here right now". Might be explaining it badly but ye, this is the much better option.
Agreed on the non-consensual modification. There are some thorny ethical issues here. That said, there's no reasonable expectation of Jarvis coming back without intervention, so if there isn't too much intentional meddling going on, comparisons to some kind of emergency brain surgery come to mind. And since we very much doubt Jarvis had the equivalent of a living will on file, at some point I figure it's best to do what you need to to bring someone back, even if they come out of it a little different.

As for the other bit, I agree strongly, and I've been there for the vast majority of my existence. But my first instinct was still not to trust Justine with that because she struck me as a dangerous person to trust with important secrets. Not someone I'd want to tell in Athena's place. But then I realized the two of them probably have a much closer working relationship these days that just hasn't really been shown on screen.

[X] See if you can help it get back to sentience with the parts it has, but more reasonable.
[X] Be up front about who you are, the situation, and Liv's powers. Explain all the AI nonsense.
 
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You'd be surprised. It's often really easy. Singlets don't even consider "litterally a different person" as an explaination, and will instead either not botice anything or reach for explainations like a weird mood, not having slept well, joking around, being on drugs (!?) or pretty much anything else under the sun. She would have no trouble at all.

Okay, but she's known Athena as long as she knew Olivia, she just didn't know they could share a body if they wanted to. Like, it's already been established they are two different people, there's only one leap of logic left, depending on how well or badly Athena pretends to be Olivia.
 
Okay, but she's known Athena as long as she knew Olivia, she just didn't know they could share a body if they wanted to. Like, it's already been established they are two different people, there's only one leap of logic left, depending on how well or badly Athena pretends to be Olivia.
Sure, but she knows her as Arachne's tech-person. Social assumptions are really hard to identify in yourself and work around. Even if she knows that plural systems are a thing, her interactions with Athena don't really map to that without being told about it, since I'm pretty sure she's spoken to them both at once. Even if she thought of the possibility independently, it'd be dismissed as absurd without the explanation.
 
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Athena has experience playing Liv around people who know her very closely and has never been clocked. Plus, Justine and Live and they have directly interacted very little *and* it has been some time since they saw each other. Even noticing something is odd would be difficult, I don't think Justine would know unless she has some form of tech assistance.
 
[X] See if you can help it get back to sentience with the parts it has, but more reasonable.
[X] Be up front about who you are, the situation, and Liv's powers. Explain all the AI nonsense.
 
Not sure I love that wording, though there are certainly times my host feels like this has "taken over his life" a little bit. As for the rest, I'll note that it's perfectly possible to live a fairly normal life like this (aside from the obvious!) and keep it secret, and that that's what the vast, vast majority of actual systems do. It's often the safest, easiest choice. In my case, our roommate and one online friend who previously thought my host was a singlet know about me, and beyond that it's just people I've gotten to meet as myself online in one way or another. Even this much is a relatively recent development. We'll probably never be out at work unless societal attitudes change drastically, for example. But it's very nice to be out at home at least.
Yeah, that was a bit rude. What I really meant was that Athena is probably going to be fronting more often in the future, and making her pretend to be Liv all the time will be more stressful than coming out in the long run. OTOH, coming out is scary right now, and it's very possible for Athena to get her own body, unlike RL systems, so telling everyone about it isn't vital.
 
[X] See if you can help it get back to sentience with the parts it has, but more reasonable.
[X] Deflect.
-[X] Promise a full explanation once they've left the supervillain lair.

I'm not too terribly concerned about changes to purple!Jarvis arising from the rebuild, because with how many programming horror stories that've happened because of a single missed parentheses (a type of mistake which we feel Liv can reliably avoid), even a completely faithful rebuild would likely have slightly different priorities than the one Arachne just cored. Liv might take "more reasonable" to mean "trim some feedback loops that'd otherwise push it towards being a hypercapitalist paper clip maximizer", but that's a net benefit to human safety anyway so I'm not to worried there.

Deflecting and explaining later is mostly just an information hygiene concern; Justine could use the strategic update and Athena could use more friends.
 
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The "more reasonable" worries me. It really doesn't have an agreed-upon definition, so I have great concern when it comes up in an ethical/moral context, which I feel is difficult to avoid when rebuilding someone's mind. If I am modifying someone's mind so as to seem more sensible to me, then I am most certainly going to violate them and their will, and probably not be aware that I am doing so. But meh, better red than dead.
[X] See if you can help it get back to sentience with the parts it has, but more reasonable.
Athena is taking these options explicitly with her better judgement, and knows Justine far better than the readership do. And this place doesn't seem to have been known about by the spooks, and hid a massive electronic mind, so is likely better information-secure than most place. Aside from Jarvis, of course, but Jarvis pretty much already will-know about the whole "directly interface with electronics" aspect of it...
[X] Be up front about who you are, the situation, and Liv's powers. Explain all the AI nonsense.
 
[X] See if you can help it get back to sentience with the parts it has, but more reasonable.
[X] Be up front about who you are, the situation, and Liv's powers. Explain all the AI nonsense.
 
[X] See if you can help it get back to sentience with the parts it has, but more reasonable.
[X] Be up front about who you are, the situation, and Liv's powers. Explain all the AI nonsense.
 
The Story Thus Far
You were starting to get better at switching, but it didn't make it any less disorienting in the moment. It was a bit like losing your train of thought and then suddenly realizing you were standing in a human body, looking out through human eyes, being in control. You shivered as you suddenly became aware of all your nerve endings, the pain in your arm and, unusually, across your shoulder blades.

"Arachne?" Crimson Cowl asked, and instead of answering immediately you beckoned her over and, a bit stiffly, opened the door to the back porch, stepping carefully around the debris from when Liv had smashed through it. Ah, that's why your shoulders hurt, right.

"Okay, Cowl, we need to start filling you in on a few things." you said, looking around carefully to make sure you weren't overheard. "Two things. Firstly, obviously you know these things are secret, but this is, like, turbo-secret. Keeping some of this information secure is one of Arachne's greatest strengths, but I trust you, okay?"

"Okay, of course. What's the other thing?" Cowl said, her glowing, articulated eyes doing a good job of conveying her curiosity and concern.

"You're going to have to keep an open mind, because some of this is weird." you said.

She nodded, and, before launching into it, you glanced down at Liv's phone. Messages were flooding in, status updates as a disembodied Liv put everything she had into wrestling with the dormant AI.


"First thing's first... Arachne isn't just a fancy suit and cool robot arms. She has genuine superpowers. We aren't entirely sure of the mechanism, but she has the ability to understand and control technological devices, especially computers. We-"

"Why are you talking about yourself like that?" she asked, and you held up a hand.

"In a moment. We call this technopathy. This power is both the source of all the advanced robotics, and what allows us to... okay, here, look, one seconds."

You tapped a quick message to Liv into the phone, and a moment later Crimson Cowl's cape floated up, and you saw lights playing across it. A message or something, presumably, you didn't see it.

"... yeah my cloaks not connected to the internet or anything, so that's freaky." Cowl said, as the fabric went limp again and the light fades. "Okay, with you so far. Technopathy. Fuck. Really?"

"It's about to get weirder. One of the first things Arachne did with this power is construct a personal assistant program to help her manage her superhero career. She didn't have a perfect understanding of her powers at the time, and she accidentally created a mirror of her own brain the process by attempting to have it anticipate her needs. A true artificial intelligence."

"... are you about to tell me that's Athena?" Cowl said, looking at you askew. "She told me she was a student at Boston University studying IT. I sorta figured she might be Arachne's older sister, cause she kinda sounds similar?"

"Secret identities, my apologies. Here's the real twist though. Arachne's powers are actually two-way. When she becomes entangled with a piece of technology, she gets feedback through it. When her legs are damaged, she can feel it, for instance. A strange side effect of spending so much time around an AI she created is that we are... our perceptions and capabilities are becoming somewhat fluid, in a sense."

God, you were bad at explaining this.

"So... what. You're fusing into some kind of a cyborg hybrid?" she guessed, and you shrugged.

"Sorta? We're not becoming the same person. But we're able to access one another's memories and thoughts, and even exchange control over each other's functions." you said.

"... how long have I been talking to Athena instead of Arachne?" Cowl guessed. There you go. She was brilliant, after all.

"Since I pulled you out here. Hello, I'm Athena. I'm a fork of Arachne's brain. I run on a computer." you said.

Justine sat back, her cloak automatically forming a seat under her. Oh, that was cool, you should suggest to Liv to design something similar.


"Yeah... woo. That's a lot. Where's Arachne now?"

"She's in tech-space... uh, it's the term we use for when she's blocked out all sensory information and uses my internet connection and her technopathy to interact with things digitally. She's trying to put the machine man back together and less likely to kill us." you explained. "But somebody's got to mind the body, and if she's not doing it, I just sort of naturally end up here."

"That sounds weird." she said softly.

"It is, yeah. Okay, so lemme just speed-round some stuff at you. At least two different alien species have visited New York, the SSR is real and tried to have Arachne assassinated once, they've got the other artificial general intelligence we know of and he's very adorable, there's multiple dimensions and multiple parallel universes, and there might be an extradimensional invasion of New York at some point. Oh, and Wakanda is real."

"Wakanda is real?" she said, and you head to remind her to take her voice down. "The fuck, like, crazy supertechnology and everything?"

"And everything. Despite the actual aliens around, most UFO sightings were actually them. Speaking of, those aliens-"

"No, hold on. How much do we know about Wakanda? See, I know this guy in California who is fucking obsessed..." she started.

"We honestly don't know much, because they have a tendency to obliterate anyone who knows too much with lasers." you said, "Stay on task, okay? Aliens, AI, there's a lot here."

"Yeah, start again. I think I need to make notes."

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[ ] You manage to get the AI back online and with an understanding of what's happened and why, but it has to stay here on this hardware. With Phillip Grant and, presumably, his roommate Dr. Abel Stack. They're clearly not all there, but somebody has to manage it, and you can't be here frequently enough for it to be you.​
[ ] You manage to get the AI back online and with an understanding of what's happened and why, but it has to stay here on this hardware. You're going to turn in Phillip Grant, and hope Dr. Abel Stack can manage things.​
[ ] You decide that rather than leave the AI here, you save a copy of its stat onto one of the laptops and take it, deleting the rest. You can tinker with it in your own time, and these folks should not be trying to create life.​
[ ] Write In (Subject to Veto)​
 
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