The Arachne System (SPIDERLIV 3)
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- Someone else's head
I'm glad the reveal went well. It should be really useful going forward, ans as someone who has been in Athena's position, I know how nice it can be to have someone you can talk to as yourself face to face.
[X] You decide that rather than leave the AI here, you save a copy of its stat onto one of the laptops and take it, deleting the rest. You can tinker with it in your own time, and these folks should not be trying to create life.
I am not going to vote to hand powerful but impressionable thinking being over to the government to be raised as a weapon for imperialism. Not even the inclusive, civil, adult-in-the-room liberal kind of imperialism, which is at best what SSR currently represents. And I'm not inclined to leave him in a bad home situation, though they at least seem more dangerously unfit for the task than actively malicious. So this is what we are left with.
[X] You decide that rather than leave the AI here, you save a copy of its stat onto one of the laptops and take it, deleting the rest. You can tinker with it in your own time, and these folks should not be trying to create life.
I am not going to vote to hand powerful but impressionable thinking being over to the government to be raised as a weapon for imperialism. Not even the inclusive, civil, adult-in-the-room liberal kind of imperialism, which is at best what SSR currently represents. And I'm not inclined to leave him in a bad home situation, though they at least seem more dangerously unfit for the task than actively malicious. So this is what we are left with.
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[X] You decide that rather than leave the AI here, you save a copy of its stat onto one of the laptops and take it, deleting the rest. You can tinker with it in your own time, and these folks should not be trying to create life.
- Location
- Diamond City
[X] You decide that rather than leave the AI here, you save a copy of its stat onto one of the laptops and take it, deleting the rest. You can tinker with it in your own time, and these folks should not be trying to create life.
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- She/Her
My thing is I don't trust Beevis and Egghead to not get into trouble once we're gone -- whether or not they know enough of not!Jarvis' code to make another AI, they know enough to be dangerous to themselves and others. I'd feel better if they're under SSR's surveillance/control, and if the best way to ensure that is to put not!Jarvis there too, I'm okay with that.
Solarstream
It's all in the cards
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- Zombie World
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- He/Him
[X] You decide that rather than leave the AI here, you save a copy of its stat onto one of the laptops and take it, deleting the rest. You can tinker with it in your own time, and these folks should not be trying to create life.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
[x] Call Nat and Clint, fill them in, and ask if the SSR would take care of the AI properly like Sentinel and take custody/hire Grant and Stack.
This AI is absolutely going to end up living on a laptop in Nat+Clint's apartment and coming over to visit with Athena. It's going to be perfect.
This AI is absolutely going to end up living on a laptop in Nat+Clint's apartment and coming over to visit with Athena. It's going to be perfect.
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- She/Her
Big sis Athena with younger kids Sentinel and Jarvis! It's an AI family! Now we just need AI sitcom shenanigans.
You know, it occurs to me that if we take 'Athena is a fork of Liv' literally (or even close to literally) that Liv's mom is her mom too. I wonder if she feels isolated because she hasn't been able to have a relationship with her family. Athena needs friends and a family too!
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- some computer lab
okay, so wouldn't adopting jarvis ourselves be the best way to accomplish that, rather than trusting that the governments only intention for an AI is to facilitate sitcom antics?
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- somewhere over there.
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- They/It
While I totally get this, I'm also looking at JARVIS as a new life that Live has now made herself responsible for. Maybe not to the extent that she was with Athena, since it seems probable that Jarvis would have regained sentience after a while if left alone, and also not to the degree she would be for a human baby she'd contributed a similar amount to the creation of, since JARVIS is far less helpless than a newborn. However, she's made its wellbeing her responsibility to a greater or lesser extent, and leaving it with the doctors here doesn't seem like an acceptable choice. To strain the comparison a bit, it seems like choosing to leave a child with not-quite-abusive but certainly not good parents that can be expected to care for it well, or bringing it to the foster system.
Also, if there's an outside chance that this ends with JARVIS in a human-passing body and Clint and Nat having to pretend that they're a couple that adopted them, that would be amazing. Especially since you know they'd be going right to Liv's mom for parenting advice, which just. Yes. Everything about that concept seems amazing.
Probably, but on the list of things Liv is, "ready to be a parent" is very close to the bottom, and she knows that. I don't doubt that she would do her damndest to do it right, but she definitely doesn't have the spoons for it. Also, it'd massively strain her relationship with May and her mother, and probably be the end of her doing costumed heroics.
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...well, now I need this in my life.
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You make a good point but taking full responsibility for another person is a huge deal. Ideally you want a morally upstanding adult(s) with the necessary energy and resources to spare. Liv and Athena together have maybe one and a half of these four requirements (morally upstanding, nearly adults, little to no resources and energy to spare). SSR has all the resources and energy necessary, and some at least not overtly evil adults around, plus Liv can keep on eye on it.
There are concerns about how this AI develops, sure, but there should also be concerns about it's quality of life. I doubt Liv and Athena have the resources to actually provide a quality life. Is it seriously just going to sit in Liv's closet on a laptop for the foreseeable future? Is it going to be ok with having the vast majority of it's program deleted, leaving only the parts Liv deems important to its person? Would Liv be obligated to provide it upgrades from her already severely limited funds? How much monitoring of it's activities can she and Athena actually do? Is it going to resent her for choosing to lock it in a closet because she is too afraid it might grow up evil or misused? Is it going to just end up on ice for months while Liv tinkers away with it?
Lots of questions without good answers, and I am honestly torn between the two options. But Liv does not need the responsibility of messing with the brain of a person to try to decide if it is safe to allow them to live. That's really not 17 year old territory.
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- somewhere over there.
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- They/It
Liv absolutely could manage the resources side of things, though I'm pretty sure that'd mean compromising her ideals about profiting off of her powers? But yes, she's definitely not in a good place to accept that kind of responsibility. It wouldn't be fair to her or JARVIS, and from a more utilitarian point of view she can probably do more good as Arachne than by spending all her time on raising JARVIS. And from yet another point of view, while I'd be very interested in a quest about being a single parent superhero, I'd rather this not be that quest, at least not for a good number of in-setting years.
[X] You decide that rather than leave the AI here, you save a copy of its stat onto one of the laptops and take it, deleting the rest. You can tinker with it in your own time, and these folks should not be trying to create life.
Spider-Liv, Spider-Liv, adopting AIs and punching Nazis, look out! Here comes the Spider-Liv.
Spider-Liv, Spider-Liv, adopting AIs and punching Nazis, look out! Here comes the Spider-Liv.
[X] You decide that rather than leave the AI here, you save a copy of its stat onto one of the laptops and take it, deleting the rest. You can tinker with it in your own time, and these folks should not be trying to create life.
Worst case scenario, if we don't feel that we have the time/energy/resources to devote to making sure that not!JARVIS grows up right, is that we just leave him copied over onto a stable data storage medium and only get around to actually reading not!JARVIS' data into a computer to actually tinker with once we're not reliant on living with our mom and going from metaphorical paycheck to paycheck - no matter how big those paychecks may or may not be (assuming we even have an ongoing income stream, I'm not actually sure about that).
Worst case scenario, if we don't feel that we have the time/energy/resources to devote to making sure that not!JARVIS grows up right, is that we just leave him copied over onto a stable data storage medium and only get around to actually reading not!JARVIS' data into a computer to actually tinker with once we're not reliant on living with our mom and going from metaphorical paycheck to paycheck - no matter how big those paychecks may or may not be (assuming we even have an ongoing income stream, I'm not actually sure about that).
[X] You decide that rather than leave the AI here, you save a copy of its stat onto one of the laptops and take it, deleting the rest. You can tinker with it in your own time, and these folks should not be trying to create life.
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- Somewhere.
[x] Call Nat and Clint, fill them in, and ask if the SSR would take care of the AI properly like Sentinel and take custody/hire Grant and Stack.
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- Under a cat
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- She/Her
[X] You decide that rather than leave the AI here, you save a copy of its stat onto one of the laptops and take it, deleting the rest. You can tinker with it in your own time, and these folks should not be trying to create life.
The SSR option would certainly be easier, but I just don't trust them enough to hand over a traumatized AI.
The SSR option would certainly be easier, but I just don't trust them enough to hand over a traumatized AI.
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- Under a cat
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- She/Her
Hello, I'm a pun-loving monster who thinks we should get Athena a robot body so that Liv could nap next to her and spoon her fork.
😶😐 That... hurt, physically. Ow.
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- Mid-Atlantic