Given how unanimous the vote is and the lack of discussion, closing the vote. Will update later today.
Super Robot Wars Null
Given how unanimous the vote is and the lack of discussion, closing the vote. Will update later today.
Turn 10: Taking a Moment
Winning Vote:
[X] An Arm
[X] The Gundam Scientists (Dr. J, Professor G, Dr. S, Instructor H, and Master O)
--[X] Slightly Damaged Council Artillery Mech
[X] Dragon's Hive mechanical department (Sammy)
--[X] Bodybuilder's Damaged Limb
November UE 0083
Shibuya, Tokyo
You watch with a small amount of amusement as Nina shovels ramen into her mouth.
"Hey, easy, there, you want to make things weird for our friends here?" You chide her lightly while jerking a thumb toward Kazuya Ryuuzaki and Banagher Links.
Nina at least has the courtesy to pretend to be embarrassed as she wipes her mouth with a napkin.
"Sorry, it's just that this stall came recommended by Yukari, and I was really excited when I found out it had survived Matareal's attack. Also, cybernetic muscle, remember? It needs a lot of calories to work." Nina says.
The four of you simply take in the surrounding city for a few moments.
"We saved it, huh?" Nina says contemplatively.
"That we did." You say while giving her an affectionate pat on the shoulder.
A loud voice gets your attention, and you turn to see Sayaka Yumi dragging Kouji Kabuto by the arm toward a designer boutique. Sayaka points at one of the handbags on display, and you see Kouji's face blanch at the price. As Sayaka enters the shop, you see Kouji dig through his pockets and take out a wallet. He shuffles through several credit cards before singling one out and holding it up, then seems to remember something and takes out a coupon from his back pocket. Holding his credit card together with the coupon up triumphantly, Kouji goes into the boutique after his girlfriend.
You and Nina share a snicker, while Kazuya and Banagher look at you in puzzlement.
"It's a girl thing." You explain.
"Ah." Kazuya says in understanding as he adopts a sagely look, while Banagher rolls his eyes before sighing.
"Something got you down, Banagher?" Nina asks before biting into a rice cracker.
"Oh...it's just...why am I here, I guess?" Banagher says.
"You mean philosophically, existentially, or...?" You ask with a raised eyebrow.
"A little bit of everything, I guess. With everything that's happening right now, does Laplace's Box still matter? The Federation only exists in name at this point, what with the civil war going on." Banagher elaborates.
Kazuya claps Banagher on the shoulder.
"Banagher, you're a great guy. But sometimes, you need to step back and just live in the moment." Kazuya says.
Banagher sighs before his expression brightens slightly.
"Yeah, you're right. Thanks for that, all of you." Banagher says.
The four of you talk a bit more before getting up and heading back.
On your way back to the ship, you spot Samsara's physical body heading right for your group. Instead of her usual raincoat, she's wearing a black dress and high-heeled thigh-high leather boots.
"Allison? What are you doing here? I thought you would have headed back...home after what happened with the Angels and the Council." You say.
"Apologies, my Lady, but there is a matter I must urgently speak with you about. Nina may stay, but I request that Kazuya and Banagher leave. This is a...moderately sensitive matter." Allison says.
Kazuya throws his hands up in confusion and frustration but assents, while Banagher simply shrugs. You see the two of them duck into an arcade down the street.
Allison leads the two of you to a karaoke bar, where you pay for a private room.
"Okay S-" Samsara interrupts by pressing a finger to your lips while she selects the track.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsY4Wt4TmU
As Fire Bomber's 'Dynamite Explosion' starts playing, Samsara starts singing along while also putting a tablet on the table.
You and Nina pick up the tablet and unlock it to see it open up to some kind of chat function. Lines of text immediately start appearing.
S: Like I said, the matter I came to you about is particularly sensitive, so I wanted to talk with you away from prying eyes and ears. Don't talk, put messages into this tablet, it's secure.
You and Nina share a worried glance before you type in your reply.
Reply: Okay, what did you want to talk about?
S: I had a premonition of sorts about a course of action the Council is going to take in the future. Before you ask, it's certainly not going to happen this month, but it will happen at some point in the future.
Nina takes the tablet from you and types what's on both of your minds.
Reply: Okay, then spill it. What're they planning?
S: I'm not entirely sure given how this premonition was incredibly vague, but it involves an invasion force of Mobile Suits from a dimension that they conquered. The only things I know for sure are that the invasion force will be clad in Nanolaminate Armor, and a word: Dainslef. The only thing I know about Dainslef is that if we don't address it, it will spell our doom.
You take back the tablet from Yukari and type in your next question.
Reply: Okay, I'm guessing you have a way to deal with this?
S: I do, but it is the manner in which the solution must be implemented that caused me to come to you, my Lady.
You and Nina share a worried glance.
Reply: What do you mean?
S: You recall that I can recreate any of the machines your parent's comrades used, along with their pilot?
You and Nina nod.
S: I was not able to find a solution to Dainslef with those machines. However, I was able to find something capable of addressing Dainslef by looking at dimensions the Council has failed to conquer.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1WYZGGLCKg
Reply: I'm guessing there's a catch with this.
S: Correct. While I am able to recreate fallen allies from our home dimension, doing so for a machine and its pilots or crew from a dimension not conquered by the Council would put immense strain on me. At best, I would only be able to recreate machines that can be built with relatively mundane technology and pilots that are more or less ordinary humans.
You look at Samsara in concern, whose expression does not shift as she sings along to Ranka Lee's newest hit.
S: Please, do not worry, my Lady. I will not suffer permanent damage from doing this, but I will require time to recover. I came to you in person because I wanted your opinion on what to bring in.
The Council plots. Samsara has a potential solution.
At some point in the future, the Council will invade with a large force of mobile suits and ships equipped with Nanolaminate Armor. Dainslef is assumed to be something that utilizes this technology, and the only thing Samsara has figured out is that is related to long-range bombardment.
The following solutions have been suggested by Samsara. Due to the fact that these machines and their pilots/crew originate from dimensions not conquered by the Council, strain placed on Samsara will be immense, and she will only be able to send relatively mundane backup, or, in the worst case scenario, nothing at all while she recovers.
What do you pick?
[ ] Unseal a Dark Prison
-Picking this will place immense strain on Samsara-any backup she sends will be limited to mobile weapons that can be built using relatively mundane technology by her standards (Dai-Guard, Armored Troopers, etc.) which can be piloted by a baseline human being (no newtypes, Abnormal Survivors, etc.)
[ ] The Nadesico's grizzled older brother
-Picking this will essentially incapacitate Samsara until she recovers-you will be able to interact with her physical body, but she will not be able to provide any form of backup for some time.
[ ] King of the Heavens
-Picking this will truly incapacitate Samsara until she recovers-you will have to watch over her physical body, and she will not be able to provide any form of backup for some time.
[ ] Iron Flowers
-Instead of risking it, you could also opt to recreate the entirety of the last force to oppose predecessor of the invasion force in its home dimension before it was destroyed to give them a chance at posthumous revenge.
-Will spawn Tekkadan and the entirety of McGillis' Rebel Fleet as backup during the relevant scenario
-Minimal strain on Samsara, but DOES NOT GUARANTEE SUCCESS.
A/N: Something I alluded to in the early days of the thread, and something I've been wanting to do since the start of the quest. Choose wisely!
[X] An Arm
[X] The Gundam Scientists (Dr. J, Professor G, Dr. S, Instructor H, and Master O)
--[X] Slightly Damaged Council Artillery Mech
[X] Dragon's Hive mechanical department (Sammy)
--[X] Bodybuilder's Damaged Limb
[X] Plan: Victory Gundam lead us to Victory.
-[X] Bond with one of the girls (you can only pick this once)
--[X] Nina
-[X] Socialize with someone else (you may pick this action twice)
--[X] Kazuya
--[X] Banagher
-[X] Chosen AI: ALICE System
-[X] Mobile Suit Evolutions
-[X] Expanding the bureaucracy to meet the needs of a chaotic bureaucracy
--[X] Marina Ismail
--[X] Kaguya Sumeragi
--[X] The Ruling Council of Orb
--[X] UN Spacey representative Milia Fallyna Jenius
-[X] The Lady and the Unicorn
-[X] Showdown in Cephiro
-[X] The value of a miracle when Tokyo stood still! Asuka Langley Soryu dies in lava?!
--[X] Nina
-[X] Socialize with someone else (you may pick this action twice)
--[X] Kazuya
--[X] Banagher
-[X] Chosen AI: ALICE System
-[X] Mobile Suit Evolutions
-[X] Expanding the bureaucracy to meet the needs of a chaotic bureaucracy
--[X] Marina Ismail
--[X] Kaguya Sumeragi
--[X] The Ruling Council of Orb
--[X] UN Spacey representative Milia Fallyna Jenius
-[X] The Lady and the Unicorn
-[X] Showdown in Cephiro
November UE 0083
Shibuya, Tokyo
You watch with a small amount of amusement as Nina shovels ramen into her mouth.
"Hey, easy, there, you want to make things weird for our friends here?" You chide her lightly while jerking a thumb toward Kazuya Ryuuzaki and Banagher Links.
Nina at least has the courtesy to pretend to be embarrassed as she wipes her mouth with a napkin.
"Sorry, it's just that this stall came recommended by Yukari, and I was really excited when I found out it had survived Matareal's attack. Also, cybernetic muscle, remember? It needs a lot of calories to work." Nina says.
The four of you simply take in the surrounding city for a few moments.
"We saved it, huh?" Nina says contemplatively.
"That we did." You say while giving her an affectionate pat on the shoulder.
A loud voice gets your attention, and you turn to see Sayaka Yumi dragging Kouji Kabuto by the arm toward a designer boutique. Sayaka points at one of the handbags on display, and you see Kouji's face blanch at the price. As Sayaka enters the shop, you see Kouji dig through his pockets and take out a wallet. He shuffles through several credit cards before singling one out and holding it up, then seems to remember something and takes out a coupon from his back pocket. Holding his credit card together with the coupon up triumphantly, Kouji goes into the boutique after his girlfriend.
You and Nina share a snicker, while Kazuya and Banagher look at you in puzzlement.
"It's a girl thing." You explain.
"Ah." Kazuya says in understanding as he adopts a sagely look, while Banagher rolls his eyes before sighing.
"Something got you down, Banagher?" Nina asks before biting into a rice cracker.
"Oh...it's just...why am I here, I guess?" Banagher says.
"You mean philosophically, existentially, or...?" You ask with a raised eyebrow.
"A little bit of everything, I guess. With everything that's happening right now, does Laplace's Box still matter? The Federation only exists in name at this point, what with the civil war going on." Banagher elaborates.
Kazuya claps Banagher on the shoulder.
"Banagher, you're a great guy. But sometimes, you need to step back and just live in the moment." Kazuya says.
Banagher sighs before his expression brightens slightly.
"Yeah, you're right. Thanks for that, all of you." Banagher says.
The four of you talk a bit more before getting up and heading back.
On your way back to the ship, you spot Samsara's physical body heading right for your group. Instead of her usual raincoat, she's wearing a black dress and high-heeled thigh-high leather boots.
"Allison? What are you doing here? I thought you would have headed back...home after what happened with the Angels and the Council." You say.
"Apologies, my Lady, but there is a matter I must urgently speak with you about. Nina may stay, but I request that Kazuya and Banagher leave. This is a...moderately sensitive matter." Allison says.
Kazuya throws his hands up in confusion and frustration but assents, while Banagher simply shrugs. You see the two of them duck into an arcade down the street.
Allison leads the two of you to a karaoke bar, where you pay for a private room.
"Okay S-" Samsara interrupts by pressing a finger to your lips while she selects the track.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsY4Wt4TmU
As Fire Bomber's 'Dynamite Explosion' starts playing, Samsara starts singing along while also putting a tablet on the table.
You and Nina pick up the tablet and unlock it to see it open up to some kind of chat function. Lines of text immediately start appearing.
S: Like I said, the matter I came to you about is particularly sensitive, so I wanted to talk with you away from prying eyes and ears. Don't talk, put messages into this tablet, it's secure.
You and Nina share a worried glance before you type in your reply.
Reply: Okay, what did you want to talk about?
S: I had a premonition of sorts about a course of action the Council is going to take in the future. Before you ask, it's certainly not going to happen this month, but it will happen at some point in the future.
Nina takes the tablet from you and types what's on both of your minds.
Reply: Okay, then spill it. What're they planning?
S: I'm not entirely sure given how this premonition was incredibly vague, but it involves an invasion force of Mobile Suits from a dimension that they conquered. The only things I know for sure are that the invasion force will be clad in Nanolaminate Armor, and a word: Dainslef. The only thing I know about Dainslef is that if we don't address it, it will spell our doom.
You take back the tablet from Yukari and type in your next question.
Reply: Okay, I'm guessing you have a way to deal with this?
S: I do, but it is the manner in which the solution must be implemented that caused me to come to you, my Lady.
You and Nina share a worried glance.
Reply: What do you mean?
S: You recall that I can recreate any of the machines your parent's comrades used, along with their pilot?
You and Nina nod.
S: I was not able to find a solution to Dainslef with those machines. However, I was able to find something capable of addressing Dainslef by looking at dimensions the Council has failed to conquer.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1WYZGGLCKg
Reply: I'm guessing there's a catch with this.
S: Correct. While I am able to recreate fallen allies from our home dimension, doing so for a machine and its pilots or crew from a dimension not conquered by the Council would put immense strain on me. At best, I would only be able to recreate machines that can be built with relatively mundane technology and pilots that are more or less ordinary humans.
You look at Samsara in concern, whose expression does not shift as she sings along to Ranka Lee's newest hit.
S: Please, do not worry, my Lady. I will not suffer permanent damage from doing this, but I will require time to recover. I came to you in person because I wanted your opinion on what to bring in.
The Council plots. Samsara has a potential solution.
At some point in the future, the Council will invade with a large force of mobile suits and ships equipped with Nanolaminate Armor. Dainslef is assumed to be something that utilizes this technology, and the only thing Samsara has figured out is that is related to long-range bombardment.
The following solutions have been suggested by Samsara. Due to the fact that these machines and their pilots/crew originate from dimensions not conquered by the Council, strain placed on Samsara will be immense, and she will only be able to send relatively mundane backup, or, in the worst case scenario, nothing at all while she recovers.
What do you pick?
[ ] Unseal a Dark Prison
-Picking this will place immense strain on Samsara-any backup she sends will be limited to mobile weapons that can be built using relatively mundane technology by her standards (Dai-Guard, Armored Troopers, etc.) which can be piloted by a baseline human being (no newtypes, Abnormal Survivors, etc.)
[ ] The Nadesico's grizzled older brother
-Picking this will essentially incapacitate Samsara until she recovers-you will be able to interact with her physical body, but she will not be able to provide any form of backup for some time.
[ ] King of the Heavens
-Picking this will truly incapacitate Samsara until she recovers-you will have to watch over her physical body, and she will not be able to provide any form of backup for some time.
[ ] Iron Flowers
-Instead of risking it, you could also opt to recreate the entirety of the last force to oppose predecessor of the invasion force in its home dimension before it was destroyed to give them a chance at posthumous revenge.
-Will spawn Tekkadan and the entirety of McGillis' Rebel Fleet as backup during the relevant scenario
-Minimal strain on Samsara, but DOES NOT GUARANTEE SUCCESS.
A/N: Something I alluded to in the early days of the thread, and something I've been wanting to do since the start of the quest. Choose wisely!
NHO
Dumb is a state of existence
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuwn2ct8Ny0
While I love to slap Council with Dimensional Coupler Cannon, I think this decision is suboptimal. Masato Akitsu is not Masaki Kihara, he doesn't do science. And while YA!MA!TO! is fine space battleship, it's space battleship without... exceptional qualities beyond being excellent on space battleshipping.
What's a negative about Shuu? Well, if he decides that we are using him and trying to control him, boy, are we in for epic backstab.
Also, he's not the best politician.
What's positive about Shuu?
1. He's genius scientist.
2. He's fantastic at long-term plotting.
3. Granzon is a good expy of Zeorymer of Heaven.
Just give him actual choice of what to do with his life and future.
Edit: But... What about something... hilarious? And evil. And extremely fun for wrecking everyone's plans?
How about Fafner Mark Alles? Or at least Mark Sein with later upgrades.
Nothing says "You fucked up" like a mech that by default gets ability to mass-mind-read at tactical scale. And ability to rapidly assimilate objects, giving pilot and mech all there is to known about assimilated entities.
Edit 2: I need to think about that.
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A few things for clarification:
Whatever you choose is NOT PERMANENT, it will be subject to the same limitations as all the other backup Samsara has sent you, mostly in the fact that it won't be able to exist past the battle you bring it in for.
Also, @NHO, I think you're severley underestimating the Yamato. It's a warship that managed to go across the galaxy and back while massively outnumbered by an enemy alien empire and managed to stay in one piece. That's not even getting into the fact that the Yamato itself is ridiculously tough, and, of course, its signature Wave Motion Gun.
Whatever you choose is NOT PERMANENT, it will be subject to the same limitations as all the other backup Samsara has sent you, mostly in the fact that it won't be able to exist past the battle you bring it in for.
Also, @NHO, I think you're severley underestimating the Yamato. It's a warship that managed to go across the galaxy and back while massively outnumbered by an enemy alien empire and managed to stay in one piece. That's not even getting into the fact that the Yamato itself is ridiculously tough, and, of course, its signature Wave Motion Gun.
NHO
Dumb is a state of existence
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This is sad.
Yamato is chonky boy, and in the light of this limitation... I dunno, it's still battleship in a mechfest. Even battleship that's incredibly overwhelmingly powerful.
Any comment on Fafner as write in?
Going to veto that, unfortunately, mostly because I do not know Fafner at all.
Also, take a look at the proposed solutions aside from Tekkadan et al: What do they have in common?
Also, take a look at the proposed solutions aside from Tekkadan et al: What do they have in common?
I am going to warn you now: Iron Flower is the masochist option. Remember what happened at the end of Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans?
NHO
Dumb is a state of existence
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MAP. Oh, boy, do they MAP like few other things MAP.
In this case, I desire MAXIMUM OVERKILL.
[x] King of the Heavens
- Pronouns
- He/They/She
I only really know Yamato and Zeorymer through osmosis, but if nothing else, they all have very powerful energy barriers. Presumably, that's the intended solution to Dainsleif as an armor-piercing railgun.
Anyway, I think we should be fine if we go with Shu. Granzon is a huge powerhouse, and an outside-context problem for Gjallarhorn tech. Yamato or Zeorymer might be able to defend a wider area, but I'm not keen on incapacitating Samsara against what could be simply a vanguard attack for a larger force.
EDIT: Ah. MAP attacks would also make sense against a swarm of, effectively, mooks with nuclear crossbows.
Hmm this is something to think about.
If we go for the nuclear options, well I say the Granzon is probably our safest choice, since it will still let us sent some machines for a time as a backup, as for specs about the machine, well Shuu didn't spare a dime when he designed the thing, this machine is able to launch black holes in a way the huckebein would dream of ever doing and uses portal technology to redirect any of his attacks to his enemy, even if is not the neo, this machine is pretty much a middle finger to any enemy, literally.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byfl4KBnp2k&ab_channel=C.G.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL8qiw1cFbo&ab_channel=hypermax1111
The Yamato is a pretty much broken as fuck battleship and the crew are pretty much certified badassess that managed to cross the galaxy againts an entire alien planet that was on their tails, get close to said planet and kick said aliens asses, on the other hand I suppose the wave motion gun will have heavy restricts on it's use like the original and on SRW V, after all the thing is able to blow up a lot of stuff and cause a lot of colateral and Captain Okita doesn't like to get trigger happy with the thing.
Finally, Zeorymer of the heavens, a 2 seater machine that his default move is pretty much a nuke and has pretty much a lot of broken as fuck systems againts enemies.
TBH I doubt we need the Zeorymer, specially since it is the machine that racks up the most colateral damage, as I said signature move is a literal nuke.
Actually, if we unseal the dark prison are we getting normal granzon or the neo granzon? not that it makes much of a difference, like I said Shuu didn't spare a dime when he made those things.
[X] Unseal a Dark Prison
Either way only thing that comes to mind with dainsleif is symphogear and I doubt it will be that easy of a guess.
If we go for the nuclear options, well I say the Granzon is probably our safest choice, since it will still let us sent some machines for a time as a backup, as for specs about the machine, well Shuu didn't spare a dime when he designed the thing, this machine is able to launch black holes in a way the huckebein would dream of ever doing and uses portal technology to redirect any of his attacks to his enemy, even if is not the neo, this machine is pretty much a middle finger to any enemy, literally.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byfl4KBnp2k&ab_channel=C.G.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL8qiw1cFbo&ab_channel=hypermax1111
The Yamato is a pretty much broken as fuck battleship and the crew are pretty much certified badassess that managed to cross the galaxy againts an entire alien planet that was on their tails, get close to said planet and kick said aliens asses, on the other hand I suppose the wave motion gun will have heavy restricts on it's use like the original and on SRW V, after all the thing is able to blow up a lot of stuff and cause a lot of colateral and Captain Okita doesn't like to get trigger happy with the thing.
Finally, Zeorymer of the heavens, a 2 seater machine that his default move is pretty much a nuke and has pretty much a lot of broken as fuck systems againts enemies.
TBH I doubt we need the Zeorymer, specially since it is the machine that racks up the most colateral damage, as I said signature move is a literal nuke.
Actually, if we unseal the dark prison are we getting normal granzon or the neo granzon? not that it makes much of a difference, like I said Shuu didn't spare a dime when he made those things.
[X] Unseal a Dark Prison
Either way only thing that comes to mind with dainsleif is symphogear and I doubt it will be that easy of a guess.
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With the exception of Tekkadan at the bottom, they are sorted by power...weakest first.
Shuu pilots the Granzon, one of the strongest OG mechs ever, and one of the first. In OGS, it first appears by pulling off something akin to the fucking Cyclops System in damage.
It runs on an Antimatter Annihilation Engine, can target tens of thousands of enemies, manipulates both gravity and time-space, and is just...fucking insane. It stretches the boundaries of disbelief, and is easily one of the meanest mechs Bandai Namco have ever made.
The Yamato is stronger. I could go on about the strength of the crew, about the sheer grit and determination they hold, about how they traversed a hostile galaxy alone...but I won't.
Because all I need to say is that the Yamato, at the highest end, can go anywhere from blowing up Australia to blowing up a Planet.
That's right, they have a fucking DEATH STAR mounted onto their ships at the highest end of power. It has the drawbacks of a Battleship, yes, but it's main gun is possibly the single meanest weapon we could ever bring out. In SRW V, it is legitimately possible to MAP attack most of the final battle.
Zeorymer is insane. Granzon and Yamato could be overwhelmed, but there is...nothing the Council has shown that could kill it. Yes, I am including the Nuclear Railgun. Maybe if they focus-fired the Dainsleif force on it they could destroy the regular Zeorymer?
However, I am leaning towards no...because I don't think that's regular Zeorymer, as I doubt it'd be so powerful as to outmatch Space Battleship Yamato, which... Even the Yamato alone could probaby destroy Zeorymer of the Heavens with the Wave Motion Gun, much less the fact that the universe of Yamato is capable of doing what the Council is trying right now, but with Wave Motion Guns.
I think that's Great Zeorymer, the OG-made mech designed for SRW J (like Mazinkaiser or Ultimate Dancouga). In which case, it is the Win Button. We are unleashing a mech that stands alongside Nono and Getter Emperor in terms of sheer fuck you firepower, and it is wonderfully flashy in doing that.
With Granzon and Yamato, we would be supporting them. With Great Zeorymer, we get sidelined as it styles them out of the universe. We might as well be summoning Super Goku for all the chance the Council has.
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Just going to say this now, none of the options given are completely invincible, even Zeorymer. Also, I didn't intend to sort the first three options by power level, I was just trying to think of Super Robots or other stuff that could feasibly deal with Dainslefs. I was originally going to have the Turn A Gundam as an option, but given the state of things in Turn A Gundam usually, I don't think a dimension of just Turn A Gundam could fight off the Council. Granzon was locked in as an option from minute zero, and Yamato came in later, I just had trouble coming up with a third option for variety.
Also, to get down to brass tacks, what you pick will determine how the Dainslefs are dealt with, and how much you'll have to protect your savior in question while they prepare it. Just keep the price of good help in mind, yeah?
Also, to get down to brass tacks, what you pick will determine how the Dainslefs are dealt with, and how much you'll have to protect your savior in question while they prepare it. Just keep the price of good help in mind, yeah?
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Hm..ok, but Zeorymer is...very much overkill, I think.
It very much does go in order of increasing power, except for Tekkadan who would get... uh, canon'd.
As for possible Gundam support...Well, the one I could suggest is an alt Devil Gundam. Namely, one that's actually kinda friendly and wouldn't immediately infest us, like if it went the route it was intended to take and restored the Earth, but with all the power of the Devil Gundam we see in canon.
Either that or an option for SD Gundam Generations, which would be...basically a few ships carrying a fuckload of protags from across the Gundam franchise. I don't think anything in the Gundam franchise would outright fuck them up like Yamato or Great Zeorymer, but a crisis crossover Gundam army could equivalate the...honestly insane options you've given us.
It very much does go in order of increasing power, except for Tekkadan who would get... uh, canon'd.
As for possible Gundam support...Well, the one I could suggest is an alt Devil Gundam. Namely, one that's actually kinda friendly and wouldn't immediately infest us, like if it went the route it was intended to take and restored the Earth, but with all the power of the Devil Gundam we see in canon.
Either that or an option for SD Gundam Generations, which would be...basically a few ships carrying a fuckload of protags from across the Gundam franchise. I don't think anything in the Gundam franchise would outright fuck them up like Yamato or Great Zeorymer, but a crisis crossover Gundam army could equivalate the...honestly insane options you've given us.
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I doubt the devil gundam will be in our reach to recreate, that is withotu counting that you are suggesting what the devil gundam originally was, that being the ultimate gundam.
And that took a lot of setup to be able to achieve on SRW T.
tbh from the gundam side we already have some of the heavy hitters.
like from what I remember we are mostly missing things like the turn A and the double X
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Great Zeorymer is an option. Full power Devil Gundam is very much somewhere above Granzon but below Yamato. Mostly because despite being the second-most durable thing mentioned by anyone so far, Yamato literally one-shots it.
Just going to say now that I'm not going to allow write-in options for this. Also expect this to be a one-time occurrence due to how BS Dainslefs are as depicted in Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans. I honestly couldn't think of anything except the above three options, Turn A, and maybe the Shuffle Alliance to deal with them, and I'm still waffling on whether to integrate G Gundam into Mira's home dimension or have it be on the Council's 'no fly' list. If I had put in G Gundam from the start, Domon and Rain would have been Mira's godparents, with Allenby as a backup option.
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Yeah, G Gundam is the only Gundam series that would be on the No-Fly list. There's a reason I suggested a friendlier Devil Gundam as a counter, and that's because it is literally the meanest thing in the entire Gundam franchise. It's an unholy mix of a Super Robot and the fucking Borg given a Gundam coat of paint and complementary V-fins.
...Shuffle Alliance would have been a good pick for a counter force if you added the Non-Shuffle support (Allenby, Rain, a few of the pilots they befriended), but it would be below Granzon, and I probably wouldn't pick it. Definitely above poor Tekkadan, though.
Anyways...I think the cost of Zeorymer is too high for us to risk. Yamato or Granzon, which each have advantages and disadvantages.
Granzon's a super-bulky mech, but it is a mech. It has a lot of firepower when it gets going, but it doesn't have the same spread or sheer raw might of the Yamato. It has barrier abilites and the potential to actually dodge, so that's nice.
Yamato is a Battleship, meaning it dodges like a particularly arthritic old man, but does have more bulk than the Granzon...assuming it's not Boss Unit Granzon, which is cheating.
However, it has a lot of nasty weapons, with a mix of really powerful ballistics, missiles, and beams, a highly skilled fighter jet force on board, and the single most powerful attack in SRW history.
I think it boils down to if we want to fuck up the Council and have some basic support in the near future, or if we want to make the Council collectively shit themselves screaming at the cost of no battle support in the future.
...Shuffle Alliance would have been a good pick for a counter force if you added the Non-Shuffle support (Allenby, Rain, a few of the pilots they befriended), but it would be below Granzon, and I probably wouldn't pick it. Definitely above poor Tekkadan, though.
Anyways...I think the cost of Zeorymer is too high for us to risk. Yamato or Granzon, which each have advantages and disadvantages.
Granzon's a super-bulky mech, but it is a mech. It has a lot of firepower when it gets going, but it doesn't have the same spread or sheer raw might of the Yamato. It has barrier abilites and the potential to actually dodge, so that's nice.
Yamato is a Battleship, meaning it dodges like a particularly arthritic old man, but does have more bulk than the Granzon...assuming it's not Boss Unit Granzon, which is cheating.
However, it has a lot of nasty weapons, with a mix of really powerful ballistics, missiles, and beams, a highly skilled fighter jet force on board, and the single most powerful attack in SRW history.
I think it boils down to if we want to fuck up the Council and have some basic support in the near future, or if we want to make the Council collectively shit themselves screaming at the cost of no battle support in the future.
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Whenever I get to IBO S2 in my quest (and I do intend to continue it), I am reserving this quote to describe Dainsleif and try to sell its destructive properties.
"A warhead that's nothing but a solid, scientifically-shaped penetrator made of the hardest material that could be found outside of a particle accelerator, projected at a notable fraction of c by the sheer dint of applying as much energy as possible to a railgun. A dainsleif projectile is not so much a missile as it is a weaponization of the laws of motion in the most brute-force fashion imaginable, and proof positive that despite the best efforts of men like Oppenheimer and Minovsky, Sir Isaac Newton remains the deadliest sonofabitch in space."
Channeling some of that Mass Effect drill sergeant energy I see. Nice.
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Thinking we go for summoning Shu as our trump card against the Council forces borrowing Gjallarhorn equipment, as that should be enough to tip the odds in our favor so long as we think the situation through once it happens and because it will allow Samsara to still provide help (both via her knowledge and the ability to summon machines, even if that ability will be weakened for some time due to the summoning of Shu). That said, I would be willing to hear arguments for going for the Yamato instead, but not Zeorymer, because this revelation made it imperative that we end the civil war on Earth as fast as possible, and for that we may need to get Samsara's input on the matter, which we can't really get if she's not concious. We may also want to start getting more units that focus on physical weapons and units that are very resistant to most physical attacks.
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Well, Yamato is just...nasty. To call it the Nadesico's meaner older brother is a disservice.
It will, 100%, fuck up anything the Council brings to bear in a single shot of the almighty Wave Motion Gun. The power and spread is just too great for it to not work. Best case scenario for the Council is if a chunk of their bombardment forces manage to escape, in which case we're mopping up.
I do have some concern, admittedly, about the Granzon's force projection in this case. Not in it's ability to crush units, but we really can't let any through without drastic consequences. They are going to perform a nuclear Zendrati-style bombardment on their chosen targets, which could be anything within the Solar System. Even a few slipping through will be devastating to whatever location they hit.
Depending on the size of this fleet, Granzon might not be able to fuck them up fast enough. And I know that sounds ridiculous for a mech that generates black holes, but it is a concern.
With the Yamato, so long as we hit something even remotely close to the body of the enemy fleet, we're tearing a gigantic chunk out of them.
...I also admit, I kinda want to see everyone freak out. This being used will get everyone sweating, might even earn us a bit of breathing room as far as aliens are concerned.
Because when someone fucking erases a section of space bigger than any ship, hell any city or colony, In a single blinding beam? That gets people to stop, even if it is just in shock.
It will, 100%, fuck up anything the Council brings to bear in a single shot of the almighty Wave Motion Gun. The power and spread is just too great for it to not work. Best case scenario for the Council is if a chunk of their bombardment forces manage to escape, in which case we're mopping up.
I do have some concern, admittedly, about the Granzon's force projection in this case. Not in it's ability to crush units, but we really can't let any through without drastic consequences. They are going to perform a nuclear Zendrati-style bombardment on their chosen targets, which could be anything within the Solar System. Even a few slipping through will be devastating to whatever location they hit.
Depending on the size of this fleet, Granzon might not be able to fuck them up fast enough. And I know that sounds ridiculous for a mech that generates black holes, but it is a concern.
With the Yamato, so long as we hit something even remotely close to the body of the enemy fleet, we're tearing a gigantic chunk out of them.
...I also admit, I kinda want to see everyone freak out. This being used will get everyone sweating, might even earn us a bit of breathing room as far as aliens are concerned.
Because when someone fucking erases a section of space bigger than any ship, hell any city or colony, In a single blinding beam? That gets people to stop, even if it is just in shock.
ThatGuyWithIdeas
Treize died for our sins
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Given that whatever we choose to summon as our trump card against the Post Disaster Era Fleet will only stick around for that fight and then leave, I wouldn't count on using any of the trump cards as deterrents/intimidation tools against our other foes, because as soon as people realize they aren't around anymore, they won't be able to deter anyone from fighting us.
As it is, the decision regarding what trump card to summon between Granzon or Yamato hinges on a few aspects:
- Do we expect the Council to escalate further if the usage of Gjallarhorn equipment fails to produce the desired effect? Also, do we expect that potential further escalation to be a level below "Council invades in force"? (for a full-scale invasion, we have the beacons placed during that one year period we did not remember until Turn 9, that are for force summoning; if they escalate to a level below all-out invasion, the System might not be able to provide us aid if it is overexerted from the intervention for the escalation that will hit us soon);
- Can we handle ourselves in fights involving the Council without depending on further aid from the System, aside from the aid for the Dainsleif encounter, for as long as it would take the System to recover? (we most likely can, but it doesn't hurt to take this into considerations as well)
I'm not taking summoning Zeorymer into consideration because, as I've said earlier, ending the civil war has become much more important after the revelation that the Council intends to intervene in a more forceful manner, and to that end, we need Samsara to be still councious so that we can get her input on how to end the civil war between Earth factions as fast as possible and in time for the PD Council fleet to arrive (she likely does have some information that would be harder for us to obtain normally, hence why I think talking with her on the civil war matter is important).
Also, next turn we might not get any research action. Instead, we will see what we get out of the analysis from the salvage we've gotten from the Council forces that intruded on the 4 Angel fight from this turn.