Summoner Quest (Celestial Menagerie)

[jonasquinn]

[X] Power

I'm glad we went with the Taylor choice, aside from it just being fun to have an excuse to see her more, stoping the Elite from setting up shop seems like a time sensitive issue. Though in saying that I have no idea what the other options will be.

Note: Any ideas for strategies to use against the Elite?

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Other than stopping them from forcibly recruiting Parian and reaching out to the other Rogues and independents in the city to see if they're facing similar situations it really depends on which cell we're dealing with.

While Brockton Bay is on an upswing and the entrenched gangs have all been cleared out crime is an inevitability an an argument could be made that it's better for that crime to be controlled by someone like Uppercrust than to allow it to just randomly pop up. However if it's someone like Bastard Son then that needs to be quashed immediately.

Right now I think the best tactic is to stall their attempts to recruit, investigate further using Hermit Purple, Harvest, AI Alex and Taylor's bugs until we have a better idea of the players involved and then take that information to Armsmaster and Piggot. We'll need to tell them sooner or later anyway and getting their backing once we have enough intel to make an actual plan makes sense.

Additionally depending on if Uppercrust's declining health is knowledge that we/Piggot have access to we could offer to cure him in exchange for him keeping the Elite out of our city or else at least being willing to play ball with the PRT.

 

[Vitellio]

[X] Power
Let's save up some points again.

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[X] Creature

For real this time

 

[Dawnk41]

Gah, after hearing about Parian's troubles with the Elite, I was hoping we'd see their smackdown this chapter too, haha!

 

[Feather_Up]

The Elite are an interesting challenge because I do not believe Alex can openly fight them without consequences. Certainly, his presence on Parian's side will discourage physical assaults but so far they have been relying on economic pressure to coerce her. There may be laws that they have violated in doing that and if so Alex can use that as justification for raiding them, but corporate America being what it is they might be able to weasel out of any such accusations.

It sounds like this will be a case where Alex will need to exercise more roundabout methods than normal. I agree with @jonasquinn about needing to launch an investigation into the actors involved in this situation. However, I would like to ask what the possibility is of Alex being able to support Parian in opening a jointly owned boutique. With Compendium supplying fabrics and Parian sewing them, they could generate a lot of business just due to the names involved. The local Protectorate can then be given part of the money made in the process. I doubt the Elite could easily push over something with the backing of a Triumvirate-level Cape.

I don't know if there are any rules against Protectorate Capes owning businesses however. I can't think of a good reason why they couldn't but this is Earth-Bet. I am not a business major; perhaps there is something I am missing or perhaps things are just that dystopian.

[X] Power
Creature can be used to save points as well but Power is fine too.

 

[JamesRick29]

[X] Power

 

[Kratos1990]

[X] Power

 

[zagan]

Winning vote: [x] Power
Capstone Power Roll: (410 points)
Roll D36=6
600 Strength Amplification, 600 Beneficial Emulation 800 Bountiful Summoning
Free Reroll D36=16
600 Manifold Amalgam, 1000 Physical Splitting, 700 Pinnacle Specimen

No Subvote this time, we don't have enough points for anything. It's been a really long time since that happened. More points for next time.

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Do they really need a digital realm to enter a computer with their digital matter though?

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Show me an instance in canon Digimon lore where a Digimon enters a computer to hack it. If you can I may revisit my stance. But as far as I know, the Digimon Realm is, despite the lore, mostly a magical realm that happens to be somewhat linked to the internet on a nebulous and ill-defined level. Destroying a building in the digital world does not destroy a random guy's harddrive. And vice versa.

Oh! Imagine him Infiltrating a Shard! Get in Zion's head!

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lol, no.

Thank god for that.

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Don't be so hasty. Maybe the man in question just didn't have the potential to trigger.

Gah, after hearing about Parian's troubles with the Elite, I was hoping we'd see their smackdown this chapter too, haha!

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You should know that in this quest we rarely act that fast.

 

[Feather_Up]

Well there was the first Digimon movie where Diaboromon hacked the United States military computers to launch a nuclear missile strike on Japan. Incidentally that was the same movie where Wargreymon and Metalgarurumon had to go into to the internet to try and stop it but started lagging due to the amount of emails people sent them. I think the main confusion is that the second series, Digimon Adventure 2 wasn't it?, used computer monitors as portals between the Real World and the Digital World. The protagonists in that series frequently used screens to connect between worlds though they needed to use their digivices in order to do more than have the equivalent of a video chat.

Frankly, I would assume the main problem with having digimon going into computers is two-fold. One, you need a computer strong enough to actually run them and it is noted in some of the lore that some digimon are just too strong or simply too big to run on normal hardware. Second, I believe digimon that are inside a device are as susceptible as normal data is to damage and disruption. For example, if you ran a magnet over a hard drive containing a digimon they would either be mutated, injured, or both. I could be wrong on that but I swear I saw mention of digimon being born from computers exposed to electromagnetic radiation.

The biggest issue though, is that digimon lore varies between installments. Sometimes significantly. Depending on what series you look at, digimon are either a form of virtual life born from the data generated by humanity or magical lifeforms from another dimension who took on physical forms by absorbing the data humans left on the internet. It isn't very consistent.

 

[triforceking]

Show me an instance in canon Digimon lore where a Digimon enters a computer to hack it. If you can I may revisit my stance. But as far as I know, the Digimon Realm is, despite the lore, mostly a magical realm that happens to be somewhat linked to the internet on a nebulous and ill-defined level. Destroying a building in the digital world does not destroy a random guy's harddrive. And vice

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I'm not sure if this counts, but the main premise of the Our War Game movie was that Diaboromon was in the literal internet, eating up all sorts of data and growing to the point that he had infiltrated... pretty much everything. They even managed to infiltrate military systems deeply enough to launch multiple nuclear warheads.

Beyond that, the 2020 reboot had a clear distinction between the Internet and the Digital World, with the Internet being a sort of layer between Earth and the Digital World that certain Digimon could access.

 

[Feather_Up]

I think Ghost Game, App Monsters, and Cyber Sleuth also featured digimon (or Appmon in one case but honestly there isn't that big a difference) entering and affecting computer technology. Do not quote me on that, I did not watch or play much of those series. Interestingly, in most cases digimon that did affect computers lacked finesse. Typically the technology just went haywire if I remember correctly.

 

[Tiz Goldeneye]

The Digital World spawned on Atanasoff–Berry Computer, and Digimon are compatible with every electric device. Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth lets you enter hardware appliances during side quests like air conditioning units. Beating the fire Digimon in there makes it colder. So Digimon can enter devices without a network connection just electricity. You could probably hand wave it and say the holder of the Digivive's will creates a pseudo network for the Digimon to interact with.

 

[JumpFail200]

Show me an instance in canon Digimon lore where a Digimon enters a computer to hack it. If you can I may revisit my stance.

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I can't say I've seen an instance of them doing so to hack it, but I have seen several digimon hack into devices while in the real world.

In S1 Ep2 of Ghost Game, Gammamon opened a locked door by looking at the handprint scanner, his eyes had a bunch of 1's and 0's flashing by, and then the scanner unlocks the door for them. Further along in s1 ep4, another digimon hacked a robot into attacking the mc while they were looking for it.

I think Ghost Game, App Monsters, and Cyber Sleuth also featured digimon (or Appmon in one case but honestly there isn't that big a difference) entering and affecting computer technology. Do not quote me on that, I did not watch or play much of those series. Interestingly, in most cases digimon that did affect computers lacked finesse. Typically the technology just went haywire if I remember correctly.

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I can't remember much from the older gens, been 20 years since I watched them, but Digimon can mess with technology to make it work for them, it's usually just the villains who did that.

 

[zagan]

Well there was the first Digimon movie where Diaboromon hacked the United States military computers to launch a nuclear missile strike on Japan. Incidentally that was the same movie where Wargreymon and Metalgarurumon had to go into to the internet to try and stop it but started lagging due to the amount of emails people sent them.

Click to shrink...

I'm not sure if this counts, but the main premise of the Our War Game movie was that Diaboromon was in the literal internet, eating up all sorts of data and growing to the point that he had infiltrated... pretty much everything. They even managed to infiltrate military systems deeply enough to launch multiple nuclear warheads.

Click to shrink...

I think Ghost Game, App Monsters, and Cyber Sleuth also featured digimon (or Appmon in one case but honestly there isn't that big a difference) entering and affecting computer technology. Do not quote me on that, I did not watch or play much of those series. Interestingly, in most cases digimon that did affect computers lacked finesse. Typically the technology just went haywire if I remember correctly.

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The Digital World spawned on Atanasoff–Berry Computer, and Digimon are compatible with every electric device. Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth lets you enter hardware appliances during side quests like air conditioning units. Beating the fire Digimon in there makes it colder. So Digimon can enter devices without a network connection just electricity. You could probably hand wave it and say the holder of the Digivive's will creates a pseudo network for the Digimon to interact with.

Click to shrink...

In S1 Ep2 of Ghost Game, Gammamon opened a locked door by looking at the handprint scanner, his eyes had a bunch of 1's and 0's flashing by, and then the scanner unlocks the door for them. Further along in s1 ep4, another digimon hacked a robot into attacking the mc while they were looking for it.

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I can't remember much from the older gens, been 20 years since I watched them, but Digimon can mess with technology to make it work for them, it's usually just the villains who did that.

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Okay, so what I'm getting from all that is that in a few instances, Digimon have been shown to be able to interact with electronics devices in some ways. But it's not consistent and varies from season to season.

Considering that we're 244 chapters into the quest and that it's not something that I ever mentioned in the quest, I'm not going to retcon it. We'll be going with the interpretation that Digimon are magical creatures made of solid data.
I may revisit that stance if we ever get a Digimon with some lore or power that would allow it specifically to hack something.

Thank you for being so helpful.