Summoner Quest (Celestial Menagerie)
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Yeah between Fusion Summoning, Combination Attack, and the Ultimate Summon we have alot of ways to make our Tonberry as effective as an Endslayer as possible.
As I recall she was created in the event that somebody did in fact do what Lilo did and managed to turn them "Good". Stitch, Leroy, and anyone made after was made to be immune though because of course he would make them stronger.
She sings a song that can make them good, make them bad, and played in reverse does the opposite.
I've never (as far as I recall it's been awhile) seen of her do so on a non experiment.
Angel (624)
Angel, also known as Experiment 624, is a major character in the Lilo & Stitch franchise. She is an illegal genetic experiment created by Jumba Jookiba, Stitch's love interest/mate (or "boojiboo", as they call each other), and female counterpart. She is designed to turn individuals and...
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She is designed to turn people and experiments from good to evil by singing a siren song containing a special musical neuro-linguistic behavioral modification trigger to convert her victims' morality; the effects can be reversed by chanting the song backwards.
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Experiment 624 was the 624th genetic experiment created by Jumba with Hämsterviel's funding. She was designed to revert rehabilitated people and experiments to evil by singing her siren song. 624 and the other first 624 experiments were deactivated and smuggled to Earth by Jumba during his mission to capture Experiment 626.
So it could affect others. Just questionable to the Author. Can she only affect those that have been rehabilitated? Can it affect anyone who hasn't had a chance of heart? Or do you want to keep it to what was shown on screen and just other Experiments? CM Creatures?
Also on Earth Bet that could do a lot of good to Villains, Shards, but there's also the question of what happens when a bad guy gets a hold of a recording and plays it backwards for shit and giggles? What happens to the Simurgh? Dies it turn good in the attempt to aquire it so it can reverse it?
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Would Tonberry's famous attack ability work on a Endbringer or Zion?
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Would Tonberry's famous attack ability work on a Endbringer or Zion?
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Vote closed: Winning vote: Tonberry
Let's go. Tiny lizard guy reaper acquired!
Scion on to the avatar, yes on the real body.
Let's go. Tiny lizard guy reaper acquired!
Endbringer yes if it can land an attack that penetrate deep enough (the surface of an Endbrinbger count more as armor than as part of their body).
Scion on to the avatar, yes on the real body.
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Jesus, that's got to be a lot of damage. I don't even want to think of a number. I'm a just call it; "The F@ck You Buster" or "The FYB(Fib)".
Yeah who knows what his body count was even before coming to Earth one good hit from our Tonberry would eviscerate him.
Scion after getting poked by a kitchen knife: Ą̵̘̩͔͖͈̬̘͉̬̼͓̈͛̄̀̆͆̒͋̅͆̒͘A̵̡̭͎̠̬̳̓͊̉̄̌A̶͙͔̞̦̪͎͔̼͈̍̔̈́̊͊̎͒̍͗̀͑͘H̷̤̫̼̝͗̄̌̇̈́̽̌̔̂̈́͌̕̕͝͝ͅh̴̡̼̘̦͑A̴̢͇̗͙͍̗̲͚̮͈̘̪͚̦̋̈́͌ͅḦ̷͓̝̩̣̲͋̔̀̈́͝h̸̨̗̽̆̃̓͗̂͌̒̎̒̂͝a̶̧̪͔̬̘̮̺̭̝̹͋̈́̓͐͑͆͋̅̑͗͜͜h̴̤̮̎A̵̢̛͔͖̼̼̹̗̙̥̹̝͋̓̈́̏̌̉͛̕̕̚͠H̷̋́ͅh̵͉͇̩̣͙̘̩̠̗̜̅͒̈́͑̆̃̓͜Ȁ̶̯̱͇͍̰̋H̴̯̻̹̦͙̼̩̣͛̍̒̑̂͋͊̾͋̚͜Ǎ̵̡̛̲̫̱͛̆͊́̐̂̈́͊̓̾͘h̷̡̥͇̦͙̝̀̑̋͂̈́̉͆̔̚͜ã̷̪̤̩͎̣̻͎͔̪̻̤̞͆̃̒̽̽͌̐͌̚̚͝͠͠h̴̢͔̞̯̲̣̬͚̰͔̰̟̯͗̎A̸̗̺̯̮̭̮͇͖̭̒̈́̈̋͊̑̆́̓͑̿͛͌͐ͅH̷̨̡̺͍͖̜̑̎͂͒̓̿͜Ȁ̵̢͙̯̲̜̫͍̰̹̲̾̀̔ͅH̵͙̭̜͎͇͎̜̱̲̰̣͍͎̦͗̑́̿̕͜͠͝͝
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Question: I'm not sure how to handle the Chef's Knife item. By itself, it's just a knife.
It can be refined in Armor Piercing ammo. This necessitates the use of an ability Alex does not have but I'm willing to waive that, even if transforming a knife into a bullet makes little sense.
It can also be refined in the Death spell. This also necessitates an ability that Alex does not have and I'm a lot less willing to waive that one. (If only because the magic mechanics in FF8 are very different and I'm reluctant to add yet another way to use magic to the quest.)
I think I'm more inclined to look at Tombery's loot from other games.
Any opinions?
edit: While I'm at it any idea for senses it could give.
It can be refined in Armor Piercing ammo. This necessitates the use of an ability Alex does not have but I'm willing to waive that, even if transforming a knife into a bullet makes little sense.
It can also be refined in the Death spell. This also necessitates an ability that Alex does not have and I'm a lot less willing to waive that one. (If only because the magic mechanics in FF8 are very different and I'm reluctant to add yet another way to use magic to the quest.)
I think I'm more inclined to look at Tombery's loot from other games.
Any opinions?
edit: While I'm at it any idea for senses it could give.
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The ability to know someone's sins (i.e. how many people they've killed) at a glance. Also, possibly whether they were justifiable killings? The second one is iffy, but definitely the first one.
Also, I think the in-universe fluff for why Everyone's Grudge deals so much damage is that its name is literal, subjecting you to the grudges of everyone you've killed making you experience their last moments before death all at once, so Leviathan would experience pain and suffering for the first time, just multiplied by at least 9.5 million times (and that's from Kyushu alone, it's probably approaching ~20 million if you include every other attack of his). And Scion would be at several Trillion. The pain would be such that it creates physical damage to the body for magic reasons.
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Looking at drops from various games there are a good amount that drop Elixirs in 5, 7, and 7 Remake the 7 ones can also have Turbo Ethers on them to steal, 5 also has an interesting item drop with the Mirage Vest that sounds like an armor that would give the user a decent Stranger rating from the sounds of it. For senses yeah sonicyoash's suggestion sounds good to me
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Damn, no wonder Tonberry's want killers wiped off the face of the Earth. Imagine looking around only to sense the anger of creatures who died. I'd hate to have to deal with that on the daily. I'd probs develop a one hit kill move to get rid of killers too.
What if it does not see as we do? It is a mysterious creature. Perhaps it sees bundles of Kill Counts and steadily meanders towards those kill counts? Slowly because it might trip, hit a wall, or fall off a cliff. And it's tanky enough to not worry about attacks. A constant unrelenting ghost (which arguably all fiends are) that seems to punish you as badly as you got!
Like the curse creature from "It Follows".
Aggghhhh! I got Imp'd!
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Yeah, that seems fitting. A sort of Kill count vision.
Probably a number in black above the head of the person.
The only problem is what type of creature counts as killing. In the game, it's the player that's subject to Everyone's Grudge for killing monsters.
Would a rat exterminator have a kill count in the thousands? Probably not. But counting only humans as worthy to count seems wrong, particularly in the framework of the Celestial Menagerie.
Mirage Vest is a go yes. And probably Elixir and Ether. That should be good enough.
Edit: I also decided that Tonberry will eventually evolve into a Tonberry King and when it does we'll also gain the Tonberry GF as a summon.
Evolving it will take a long time but I'm feeling generous.
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Ooh~, whopping ×30 thanks to "It's Sharp". Junk kinda brings it home about Tonberries hating the sins they see on the daily. Throwing stuff shows frustration.
I only ever played FX and FX-2
I assume people too. I recall there being a kill count you can actually look at in the stats? I maybe remembering wrong.
I say all life. All life you directly kill. A life is a life regardless if it's the ants under your feet as your feet or a big ol elephant. Either way it all counts as one life. It feels more thematically on point that way.
View: https://youtu.be/KjsSvjA5TuE
This rule should apply.
Though even I question Amoebas, bacteria viruses and such.
You should note it in story if the CM is gonna nerf it like that then.
Will it only have Kill Counts Vision as it's only sensor to tell a things location?
An idea: you could have the Devil Arm take a piece or the knife into itself and when using a Tonberry mode have instead a special arm have a Tonberry show up with it facing whatever creature is an area with the highest kill count. And maybe some degree of attempting to move in that direction.
Another idea. Give it Flechette somehow to get it past the armor.
What about it's monk robe thing and it's little lantern? Can those be extracted? And will they have effects?
Question can we make it so that Tonberry can knock people out instead of killing them
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While @sonicyoash and @Kratos1990 covered the Tonberry senses and drops well, I want to bring up some of the more unconventional things the Tonberry had to offer, as some of what I found was not from a creature you can obtain in the CM list. If this stuff cannot be obtained because of your ruling @zagan, that's fine, I just wanted to bring these up for more options.
There was an enemy in FF6 called Tonberries, pretty much just a group of them together, but they dropped the best spellcasting armor in the game for female characters, the Minerva Bustier, not much use to Alex but can still be worn by an ally like his other Protectorate members or partners, or it can be given for study on how it can block elemental effects.
The Tonberry (Final Fantasy IX) has some neat drops too, the Phoenix Pinion can be used to revive a person like the Phoenix Down, though only during battle, and can be used to auto summon Phoenix whenever you're about to die, which hasn't much use now but would be great if the rolls do land on Phoenix one day. This Tonberry also drops Peridots, this one is a support item for Ramuh that increases the damage his Judgement Bolt does when summoned, again useless now but could be a boon to stock if he ever gets rolled and can be used as a healing item that scales with the number of Peridots you have x68.
FF XIII-2 Tonberry gave Hermes Sandals, which grant Critical: Haste and Low HP: Power Surge when HP is Critical and below 30% HP respectively. a nice addition to Alex's set Contingent Summoning of Fluff when critically injured.
In FF XV this Tonberry drops the White Choker, an accessory that slightly increases HP recovery rates.
The Type 0 Tonberry drops Anima Lanterns, which is described as a lantern that governs life and death that grants Reraise along with a few seconds of Invincibility after being revived.
While there are two versions of Tonberry's that are summons, they weren't entries on the CM list. The one from FF VIII requires a fight with the King Tonberry to gain the Guardian Force Tonberry (Final Fantasy VIII summon), while Crisis Core needed you to have the Tonberry Knife, called the Chef's Knife they wield, for the Digital Mind Wave to call forth its Murderous Thrust attack. DMW is the Limit Break system in that game, a lottery reel which is randomly affected by Zack's mentality and emotions as of the current story progression, and you would have to hope it rolls for Tonberry in Chocobo Mode, the Creature Summon reel for those who are still able to understand what I'm saying and not totally confused. Unfortunately, the wiki just sends me in a loop of Chef's Knife/Tonberry Knife whenever I try looking for a proper item description, though I take it to mean both Chef Knife and Tonberry Knife are the same thing, and I wonder if Alex having the Chef's Knife, it can be used in the same way as Zack's Limit Break and summon a Tonberry? Perhaps the Tonberry's weapon form can be used in that way as a Limit Break? Here's a vid for context on what the DMW looks like.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wytJb3qEcz4
Concerning Blue Magic abilities, there are four I know of that can be learned from the Tonberry, but one is from the Mega Tonberry when it is Oversouled, a ruling from zagan would be needed to say if his Tonberry would count for learning that ability.
Traveler is a Lore spell, FF6 Blue Magic, that damages an opponent based on the steps they have taken divided by 32 along with other factors to determine the damage dealt. You can see how powerful that can be against certain people, say a group of cape serial killers that travel the country, or just a group of Travelers in general? This can be learned from a regular Tonberry so I hope you won't remove it from Alex's gains.
These next two are from FF XI, Everyone's Grudge and Light of Penance. As everyone is aware, Everyone's Grudge deals damage based on the number of kills made by the target, for a Blue Mage it's listed as a dark element spell and I imagine it still works the same way, and Light of Penance is a light element spell that reduces an enemy's TP, Tactical Points is how enemies and players use weapon skills/limit breaks in battle, along with casting Blind and Bind on the target.
The one from the Mega Tonberry is Cry in the Night from FF X-2, an all-party non-elemental magic attack that costs 80 MP to cast and is considered the ultimate Blue Bullet spell for the Gun Mage, that games Blue Mage Job. As the wiki does a poor job explaining what that looks like, here's another vid.
View: https://youtu.be/dS18wiuPxgI?t=206
As there is no specific ruling on how far one can train a creature from this category, could the Tonberry be raised to become one of its variants like Master, King, or Mega and gain their items drops as well?
There was an enemy in FF6 called Tonberries, pretty much just a group of them together, but they dropped the best spellcasting armor in the game for female characters, the Minerva Bustier, not much use to Alex but can still be worn by an ally like his other Protectorate members or partners, or it can be given for study on how it can block elemental effects.
The Tonberry (Final Fantasy IX) has some neat drops too, the Phoenix Pinion can be used to revive a person like the Phoenix Down, though only during battle, and can be used to auto summon Phoenix whenever you're about to die, which hasn't much use now but would be great if the rolls do land on Phoenix one day. This Tonberry also drops Peridots, this one is a support item for Ramuh that increases the damage his Judgement Bolt does when summoned, again useless now but could be a boon to stock if he ever gets rolled and can be used as a healing item that scales with the number of Peridots you have x68.
FF XIII-2 Tonberry gave Hermes Sandals, which grant Critical: Haste and Low HP: Power Surge when HP is Critical and below 30% HP respectively. a nice addition to Alex's set Contingent Summoning of Fluff when critically injured.
In FF XV this Tonberry drops the White Choker, an accessory that slightly increases HP recovery rates.
The Type 0 Tonberry drops Anima Lanterns, which is described as a lantern that governs life and death that grants Reraise along with a few seconds of Invincibility after being revived.
While there are two versions of Tonberry's that are summons, they weren't entries on the CM list. The one from FF VIII requires a fight with the King Tonberry to gain the Guardian Force Tonberry (Final Fantasy VIII summon), while Crisis Core needed you to have the Tonberry Knife, called the Chef's Knife they wield, for the Digital Mind Wave to call forth its Murderous Thrust attack. DMW is the Limit Break system in that game, a lottery reel which is randomly affected by Zack's mentality and emotions as of the current story progression, and you would have to hope it rolls for Tonberry in Chocobo Mode, the Creature Summon reel for those who are still able to understand what I'm saying and not totally confused. Unfortunately, the wiki just sends me in a loop of Chef's Knife/Tonberry Knife whenever I try looking for a proper item description, though I take it to mean both Chef Knife and Tonberry Knife are the same thing, and I wonder if Alex having the Chef's Knife, it can be used in the same way as Zack's Limit Break and summon a Tonberry? Perhaps the Tonberry's weapon form can be used in that way as a Limit Break? Here's a vid for context on what the DMW looks like.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wytJb3qEcz4
Concerning Blue Magic abilities, there are four I know of that can be learned from the Tonberry, but one is from the Mega Tonberry when it is Oversouled, a ruling from zagan would be needed to say if his Tonberry would count for learning that ability.
Traveler is a Lore spell, FF6 Blue Magic, that damages an opponent based on the steps they have taken divided by 32 along with other factors to determine the damage dealt. You can see how powerful that can be against certain people, say a group of cape serial killers that travel the country, or just a group of Travelers in general? This can be learned from a regular Tonberry so I hope you won't remove it from Alex's gains.
These next two are from FF XI, Everyone's Grudge and Light of Penance. As everyone is aware, Everyone's Grudge deals damage based on the number of kills made by the target, for a Blue Mage it's listed as a dark element spell and I imagine it still works the same way, and Light of Penance is a light element spell that reduces an enemy's TP, Tactical Points is how enemies and players use weapon skills/limit breaks in battle, along with casting Blind and Bind on the target.
The one from the Mega Tonberry is Cry in the Night from FF X-2, an all-party non-elemental magic attack that costs 80 MP to cast and is considered the ultimate Blue Bullet spell for the Gun Mage, that games Blue Mage Job. As the wiki does a poor job explaining what that looks like, here's another vid.
View: https://youtu.be/dS18wiuPxgI?t=206
As there is no specific ruling on how far one can train a creature from this category, could the Tonberry be raised to become one of its variants like Master, King, or Mega and gain their items drops as well?
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We have that power yes.