Does subsuming a different entity result in different mutations? Only one way to find out!those weird spiky branch things you briefly had right after subsuming Sayaka
Says the one who can't use telepathy to the one who can."…um, pretty sure I don't hear anything you're not actively projecting to me, so I kind of can't unless you let me, actually."
Now would be a bad time to mention that Ashy couldn't have defeated Sayaka without Shemesh. It could be meant as a compliment or a criticism, and Sayaka would quickly assume the latter.'Like you really have to ask. I wasn't even a magical girl for a full hour before I lost against the very first witch I tried to fight-'
Sayaka has sass! They'll get along just fine."…nevermind." you say, backpedaling. "If it helps, you put up a pretty good fight for someone who only just contracted."
'Give me back control of my body and I'll show you an even better one.'
You try not to laugh. That's good- if she's confident enough to say something like that, she can't be feeling as awful as before.
Ah, crap. She wasn't joking, was she? Well, at least they're on speaking terms now.
Are you inserting our speculative worldbuilding into the story? I've been wondering for a while now."…um, you realize that since your soul gem is in me, killing me might just end up killing you too, right?"
It's just part of the Mitakihara aesthetic. Don't question it.A quick flash of blue, and her outfit is replaced with the school uniform you briefly saw her in earlier this morning. You still have no idea why she's wearing this on a Sunday, but you suppose you should just be glad that worked- she'd be a little conspicuous otherwise.
The heart of darkness. Well, one of them, anyway.…that is, until something behind Sayaka audibly throbs. You spin her around to face the noise, only to subsequently realize that the source appears to be a grief seed, jammed point first into the hospital's outer wall. An orb of darkness covers the tip, black, thorny roots extending into the surface around it, while the spherical portion pulses intermittently with pure white light, continually producing a slow, rhythmic noise that reverberates through the area like a heartbeat.
Magic.But why is there a grief seed stuck in a wall? And what's happening to it?
It's showing life signs, for crying out in all caps. What would it be doing, if not hatching?And what's happening to it? You've never seen one do something like this before...
That's one word for it, yes.The former seed certainly feels a lot more like Saar's barrier now that it's hatched. Not quite identical though, as this barrier doesn't seem to exude loneliness, but instead a strange sort of… determination, oddly enough. A very single-minded one, at that.
For a second there, I actually thought Ashy considered the lives of the humans on the bottom floor. Then I remembered who I was psychoanalysing.though, regardless of how it feels, you doubt it's a particularly good thing that the barrier came into being almost directly on top of the hospital's bottom floor.
Is witchstincts-sensei influencing Ashy's thoughts?Alongside the much more negative conceptual impressions you assume are just inherent to witch barriers, it's a rather weird combination- though, regardless of how it feels, you doubt it's a particularly good thing that the barrier came into being almost directly on top of the hospital's bottom floor. JOIN…
Damn… come to think of it, that changes things. You were kind of hoping to avoid this, at least for the time being, but it looks like there's nothing for it.
Is this merely an analogy, or does Ashy actually think of her barrier as reality?Space itself starts to visibly warp and expand, like something is literally pulling at the confines of reality, and as the rumbling reaches a fever pitch, everything seems to suddenly stretch… and a new mass of scenery abruptly fades into being.
Well, scare factor is part of what makes this witch so effective. At least Sayaka can test the waters before Ashy faces Charlotte herself.It shouldn't be a big deal; scare factor is usually completely unrelated to a witch's strength.
All the lollipops are way too big for that, right? Actually, Ashy should be able to pull it off with her large size. Giant sweets for giant witches.Let's steal a bag of lollipops and hand them out to various creatures.
Cheese is literally the one dessert that cannot be found here. Bringing cheese from outside the barrier would make the familiars happy, though. Yum.
This reminds me a bit of Yume Nikki. The entire explorable setting is a dream world. There is a nexus level with a bunch of doors, each leading to a specific world. Each world also connects to a bunch of other worlds at locations that are sometimes obvious, sometimes cleverly hidden. Also, the protagonist advances through the game by collecting "effects" (read: "bizarre abilities and mutations") throughout her journey. But I digress.
Then we would be in for an interesting experiment: what happens when an object too large to fit through the barrier entrance is pushed against it? Does the entrance try to cut a hole? Act like an immovable solid barrier? Act like an object with the mass of the entire barrier? Get pushed along like a low-mass object? Any of the possibilities would be interesting, and if it's the last one, then we could use it to exceed our current limits on speed. (Relatedly, what happens if you anchor a rope inside the barrier, run it through the entrance, then pull on it from outside? And, heck, what happens if you try to close the entrance on a solid object?)
And I suppose some people would go splat. Ethics board*'ll be upset; probably tell us that the experiment "showed a reckless disregard for human life" and the hypothesis "could easily have been tested safely" or something equally unfun.
*Hitomi, Sayaka, and Shemesh, for lack of options.
Word of God has it that Walpurgisnacht absorbs witches the same way hurricanes absorb water. Absorbed witches then join Walpurgisnacht's theater troupe.
Also I find it very amusing how shocked Ash was when she found out Sayaka had contracted like, hours ago. Even more so because of Ash's own short time as a witch. They make quite a newb pair.
Hm... so If I remember right Charlotte witched basically immediately after contracting. This could have a higher chance of her being sane if she hasn't had time to stew in it, or a lower chance because it is still fresh...
Write in: Let's steal a bag of lollipops and hand them out to various creatures.
Or cheese. All the cheese sticks.
Cheese is literally the one dessert that cannot be found here. Bringing cheese from outside the barrier would make the familiars happy, though. Yum.
Are you inserting our speculative worldbuilding into the story? I've been wondering for a while now.
For a second there, I actually thought Ashy considered the lives of the humans on the bottom floor. Then I remembered who I was psychoanalysing.
Is this merely an analogy, or does Ashy actually think of her barrier as reality?
That's why you witchkiss a cow then teach Charlotte how to make cheese with it.Cheese is literally the one dessert that cannot be found here. Bringing cheese from outside the barrier would make the familiars happy, though. Yum.
Hmm. Well, at least the story advances a lot slower than the anime. An entire story arc can take up a day or less, and there is roughly a month before Walpurgisnacht arrives. Assuming Ashy subsumes at least one new witch or magical girl each day, she might stand a chance.Ahhh... in that case, at this point in time, it's unlikely Ashtaroth would be able to summon sufficient magic/willpower to resist being absorbed (*ahem*, subsumed) into Walpurgisnacht, though she would certainly try.
It's what I do. *awkward laughter*
I thought Ashy just didn't like bringing her barrier to ground level, where magical girls can find it more easily. But now that I think about it, that sounds comically petty.Hmm? That is what she meant. She explains as much to Sayaka shortly after. What did YOU think her reasoning was?
Wait a minute. That's not actually an answer. You've been trained in bunnycat-syle social engineering!
Fine, fine. I'll do it.That's why you witchkiss a cow then teach Charlotte how to make cheese with it.
The supermarket has a limited supply of dairy at any given time, but the cow can be milked whenever. Plus, Ashy can keep the cow fed on the grass growing in her labyrinth. But yes, nabbing cheese from the supermarket would be a lot easier.It'd make more sense to acquire cheese after we meet Charlotte....from a supermarket warehouse
Another Thing for the List.You can't really track magic residue at the moment- at least, not unless you can find a way to adapt the ability from Sayaka's soul gem, which you'll save until you're no longer walking on eggshells around her- but it's a good place to start at least.
Nonsense, the Author always knows everything about his Figures! That is, if my Theory about Ashy's Wish being something about Stories is true.You suppose that since Novella is literally a part of you, intrinsically knowing its contents does make a strange sort of sense… though, the fact that you get what are essentially detailed encyclopedia entries for the things you absorb is still perhaps the weirdest part of your whole "subsuming" shtick so far.
Sayaka is a Drama Queen. Ashy can't hear her if she doesn't want her to, so Sayaka wants Attention and Pity.As you begin slowly heading in that direction, a quiet mental sniffle from Sayaka draws your attention.
Looks at Isabeau.
You know something has gone wrong if a Witch pities you.Her current below rock-bottom mood makes a lot more sense in that light.
So she was transformed and it was her "real" Body. I suspected Ashy makes new Bodies out of Grief but I guess that would be broken. Infinit new Bodies instead of Sayaka having to regenerate her Body inside Novella.A quick flash of blue, and her outfit is replaced with the school uniform you briefly saw her in earlier this morning.
I wonder how long it's going to take until Sayaka thinks of healing Kyosuke with her Magic.
After reading a bit further it's obvious this is Charlotte. That she was a Grief Seed means she was defeated and then feed with Grief until she could hatch again.only to subsequently realize that the source appears to be a grief seed, jammed point first into the hospital's outer wall.
Scene change! And Ashy gets a new Scenery.Space itself starts to visibly warp and expand, like something is literally pulling at the confines of reality, and as the rumbling reaches a fever pitch, everything seems to suddenly stretch… and a new mass of scenery abruptly fades into being.
This sounds weird, it could be weirder if the Change was gradual or something but still, weird.The ceiling seems to have somehow merged into both adjacent section's skies, creating a sort of odd gradient where air suddenly turns to rock then back again.
Or you could give her Rebecca as a Neighbor. Her Familiars spend most of their Time talking about their Cheese.However, if Charlotte proves herself sufficiently sapient, Ashy should give her a cow. Give a witch some cheese, and she will eat for a day. Teach a witch to make cheese, and she will eat for the rest of her days.
Isabeau is a superb magical girl. She's just a horrible person.
I dare Sayaka to touch the ambiguous ceiling/sky area.This sounds weird, it could be weirder if the Change was gradual or something but still, weird.
Hmm. I'm not sure if that's generic shepherd dialogue or if Rebecca actually produces dairy, but it's worth a shot.Or you could give her Rebecca as a Neighbor. Her Familiars spend most of their Time talking about their Cheese.
I think she was a better Incubator than a Magical Girl. But she was many Things. Template stacking Madness.Isabeau is a superb magical girl. She's just a horrible person.
Indeed, although possibly not for the reasons she might think. It's weird because it contains some information but not all, and there's no clear reason why it contains the specific information that it does.Confrontation 10: A Trip to the ER said:the fact that you get what are essentially detailed encyclopedia entries for the things you absorb is still perhaps the weirdest part of your whole "subsuming" shtick so far.
I have to wonder: is Ashtaroth saying this because she's trying to make Sayaka feel better, or did she just hear a wrong opinion and reflexively correct it? For most people I'd assume the former, but I'd do the latter and Ashtaroth seems pretty similar to me in relevant ways.
"That's the plan."'Give me back control of my body and I'll show you an even better one.'
Sudden again. Evidence of a definite range.As you enter the palatial building's vicinity, you feel something similar to what you felt upon nearing Saar's barrier, the sudden wave of despair and other nebulous negative concepts genuinely rather startling you.
Before you can announce to Sayaka that you've found a witch, however,
Actual waves? It's oscillating? I have no idea what, if anything, I should take from that.After letting several more of the psychic waves break over your barrier, you're left metaphorically scratching your head in confusion.
Good to have that confirmed.With the backing of that rousing endorsement, you focus, aiming to dispel Sayaka's magical girl transformation. A quick flash of blue, and her outfit is replaced with the school uniform you briefly saw her in earlier this morning.
Ah. Oscillatory instability. Or was it stable and just got pushed over the edge?An orb of darkness covers the tip, black, thorny roots extending into the surface around it, while the spherical portion pulses intermittently with pure white light, continually producing a slow, rhythmic noise that reverberates through the area like a heartbeat.
You cautiously move Sayaka closer, not entirely sure what to make of this. This must be what you've been sensing… you're pretty sure the waves you're feeling are even synchronized with its pulsing, in fact. But why is there a grief seed stuck in a wall? And what's happening to it? You've never seen one do something like this before...
As if in answer to your unspoken question, the grief seed suddenly turns entirely white and shines brilliantly, lighting up the area around it like a flash grenade.
And again a discrete threshold. That's really rather unusual in nature (well… sort of. Phase transitions are common, but mostly of a different character). The best analogue I can think of is friction, particularly static friction—a minimum threshold of force necessary to move something. If the barriers' attraction has to overcome a resistance to external forces, that could explain the suddenness while still allowing the attractive force to fall off smoothly with distance. Despite what I said before, it could also be a phase transition; some percolation behavior causing a sudden switch from interfering with the attraction to enabling it at a critical distance/strength.your approach soon crosses some invisible threshold, and the other barrier begins slowly pulling away from the building to drift towards yours
That works. No topological changes (unless they're out of sight or internal to Charlotte's barrier), just geometric ones.Just as before, everything begins to rumble and quake as the separate dimensions begin to intertwine. This time however, the ground doesn't crumble away- instead, a portion of it simply splits, as if a massive fault line just opened up in the middle of your barrier. While not in your immediate vicinity, you're alarmed enough to have Sayaka quickly jump up on to Tome and begin hurriedly floating away as the crack continues to lengthen. After several tension-filled seconds, it finally stops… only to begin widening instead, causing the world around it to thrash and heave as earth around the edge of the fissure is almost contemptuously shoved aside. Space itself starts to visibly warp and expand, like something is literally pulling at the confines of reality, and as the rumbling reaches a fever pitch, everything seems to suddenly stretch… and a new mass of scenery abruptly fades into being. It occupies the newly created hole in the landscape perfectly, and instantly, almost anticlimactically, the barrier begins to settle back down.
"I wasn't planning on this. I was just hoping to find a witch at the hospital, but I have to do this because I found a witch at the hospital." Very convincing."Wasn't planning on it originally, but if I let the other witch linger on the hospital, people might have ended up getting kissed or drawn into its barrier and such."
sections'. And that's interesting. Does that mean you could fly over it?The ceiling seems to have somehow merged into both adjacent section's skies, creating a sort of odd gradient where air suddenly turns to rock then back again.
Scissors? And Ashtaroth is largely made of paper. Uh-oh. We might need to get Shemesh in here.Inside the tunnels proper, all sorts of oversized medical equipment can be seen embedded in and plastered across nearly every available surface, from giant syringes, to blood bags, to rusty scissors the size of a person.
[-] …ask Shemesh to accompany you. He and Sayaka can have a friendly contest in front while you support them from the rear.
Looking forward to it.I've come up with a ~hopefully~ workable solution, which is not fully displayed here, but I'll say right now that it ensures that nothing in the barrier has actually been lost during either merger, which thankfully was always how I intended it to work.
AFAIK (not a meteorologist) hurricanes absorb water basically by happening to be there when it evaporates, or moving over existing water vapor. I guess witches are supposed to be water vapor in this analogy?Ahhh... in that case, at this point in time, it's unlikely Ashtaroth would be able to summon sufficient magic/willpower to resist being absorbed (*ahem*, subsumed) into Walpurgisnacht, though she would certainly try. A first person description of the experience could be interesting though, kind of like a more large scale version of what happened in the second bad end in the original version of this... another potential omake to be considered.Word of God has it that Walpurgisnacht absorbs witches the same way hurricanes absorb water. Absorbed witches then join Walpurgisnacht's theater troupe.
By my estimate, a typical large supermarket will sell dozens of pounds of cheese every day. A single warehouse may service many end destinations, and stores goods in a more easily transported form—hundreds of pounds of cheese in a few boxes, rather than many individually-wrapped packages. Further back in the supply chain, you could steal many tons of cheese from a cheese factory.hillo315 said:The supermarket has a limited supply of dairy at any given time, but the cow can be milked whenever.
It was pushed over the edge. All grief seeds get pushed over the edge, eventually. We can't tell what did it for this grief seed, though.Ah. Oscillatory instability. Or was it stable and just got pushed over the edge?
Ashy didn't plan that far ahead. Since this is only her second time hunting witches as a witch, this is a valuable learning experience."I wasn't planning on this. I was just hoping to find a witch at the hospital, but I have to do this because I found a witch at the hospital." Very convincing.
It's just part of the scenery. I wouldn't worry too much.Scissors? And Ashtaroth is largely made of paper. Uh-oh. We might need to get Shemesh in here.
Sayaka hates being useless and helpless. Fighting witches gives her a purpose. Rather than distract her, wouldn't this actually cheer her up?
You assume Ashy can break through the ceiling at all.As much as I'd like to come in through the ceiling like a meteor (even if I doubt that it's possible), Sayaka
Yes. Or if not, definitely close enough. (I'm no meteorologist, either.)I guess witches are supposed to be water vapor in this analogy?
We are trying to feed the Very Hungry Licorice Dire Worm. We can't guarantee Charlotte's satisfaction until we completely fill her labyrinth with cheese.By my estimate, a typical large supermarket will sell dozens of pounds of cheese every day. A single warehouse may service many end destinations, and stores goods in a more easily transported form—hundreds of pounds of cheese in a few boxes, rather than many individually-wrapped packages.
There is almost certainly a supermarket in Mitakihara, but I don't know about cheese factories...Further back in the supply chain, you could steal many tons of cheese from a cheese factory.
The water may look unhealthy, but we'll never know if nobody drinks it!Also, a cow would try to drink the Brandy-water, and that just seems like a bad idea.
The barrier has a giant lawn in it. Just bury the poop, and instant fertilizer!…but the real reason is that I don't want cow poop in the barrier. It should be clean and welcoming, or as close as we can get.
Not even an hour. Less then sixty minutes. I'm sure there have been girls that died to witches sooner, but I'd bet money they were set up for it.'Like you really have to ask. I wasn't even a magical girl for a full hour before I lost against the very first witch I tried to fight-'
To me, this lends more credence to the theory that this is her body, not a magically generated copy. Does her skirt have pockets? Sayaka should check them for her stuff.With the backing of that rousing endorsement, you focus, aiming to dispel Sayaka's magical girl transformation. A quick flash of blue, and her outfit is replaced with the school uniform you briefly saw her in earlier this morning. You still have no idea why she's wearing this on a Sunday,
Few more things to say about the addition. Since Ash is calling it smaller it doesn't completely separate Ash's barrier from Saar's, it's just between them. It's also a fairly big hole if ash can fit down it, like a strip mine or quarry. So I'm betting the barrier isn't any smaller then Saar's, it's just all out of sight because it's now the underground.You look over at the slightly distant new addition to your barrier, which appears to be some sort of black and white cavern. It bridges the border between your and Saar's areas, and seems roughly circular in shape, its curving outer walls dotted with tunnels of varying shapes and size. The ceiling seems to have somehow merged into both adjacent section's skies, creating a sort of odd gradient where air suddenly turns to rock then back again. Overall it's a little smaller than you'd expected honestly, at least given what happened with Saar's barrier, but that's not exactly something you're planning on protesting.
No more then you can get to space from the skies of the other barriers I'd bet. You could tunnel into it but you'd just bust out of the ceiling again. I do wonder about that gradient effect though. It might just not be reachable. You get to a certain distance and then even though you can feel yourself moving it never gets any closer.
The supermarket has a limited supply of dairy at any given time, but the cow can be milked whenever. Plus, Ashy can keep the cow fed on the grass growing in her labyrinth. But yes, nabbing cheese from the supermarket would be a lot easier.
However, if Charlotte proves herself sufficiently sapient, Ashy should give her a cow. Give a witch some cheese, and she will eat for a day. Teach a witch to make cheese, and she will eat for the rest of her days.
Or you could give her Rebecca as a Neighbor. Her Familiars spend most of their Time talking about their Cheese.
Hmm. I'm not sure if that's generic shepherd dialogue or if Rebecca actually produces dairy, but it's worth a shot.
"I wasn't planning on this. I was just hoping to find a witch at the hospital, but I have to do this because I found a witch at the hospital." Very convincing.
Scissors? And Ashtaroth is largely made of paper. Uh-oh. We might need to get Shemesh in here.
As much as I'd like to come in through the ceiling like a meteor (even if I doubt that it's possible), Sayaka and survival are the priorities here.
It's easy to forget when she's text, but Sayaka is a fourteen year old girl.
Though one question, mostly because Ash has made plans before that just assumed a few things that might not be true, but there are tunnels she can fit in right? She isn't just assuming there are some because there's never been a barrier she couldn't psychically access?
It's too dark down here to be good for anyone really. The black walls don't help, very depressing.
...Tuxedo Kamen?Tch, that guy. Only around when you need him, never around when you want him.
So... Give a witch cheese, and she will eat for a day. Give a witch a cow, and she will eat for a day and then be sad.More likely, give a witch a cow and she will try to eat the cow, in hopes that it has cheese inside of it. Then she will be sad when the answer turns out to be no.
Speaking of which, it's as if Shemesh didn't even exist before Saar was subsumed. I wonder how familiar generation works...Tch, that guy. Only around when you need him, never around when you want him.
Is that Shemesh's upcoming Halloween costume?
That's why we need Rebecca! She is tooMore likely, give a witch a cow and she will try to eat the cow, in hopes that it has cheese inside of it. Then she will be sad when the answer turns out to be no.
So if Ashy subsumes Rebecca, all Josephs are going to be buried in Pyotrs. Mountains of Pyotrs with twitching Josephs under them.
Dropping hints. How did I miss that the first 23 times reading that post?You're not wrong- besides the fluorescent lights, Suleika would likely feel right at home.