Sterbelicht - One Sacrifice At A Time Against The Galaxy (40K)

What should your focus for the rest of the Quest be?

  • Mercy (Diplomacy and Expansion)

    Votes: 210 74.7%

  • Ruthlessness (Kick the Duchy in the Balls)

    Votes: 66 23.5%

  • Thule (Yeeni Handholding and Piscarian Cuddling)

    Votes: 107 38.1%
  • Total voters
    281
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ShakeyDog said:
I thought we had tons of strikecraft in our defense stations, it seemed like 4k from the half-SBG-worth defense stations in Sigrillita. Although we were talking about using Lances when we made the stations since we had just gotten wrecked by the Flyssa.


Also, I assume our strikecraft have a pretty limited operating range around Long to Extreme. Even if they can travel hours or days away to the edge of the system, they make a few attack runs then have to do a return trip to rearm.

I'm surprised that there are Choirs on the Secundus stations or that they can do anything beyond a close range attack without Songs and Psytech-equiped ships. We should be sticking them with our fleets more often if we can just pick out ships to nuke.

[X] Plan: No Mr. Duchy Man, I Expect You To Not Commit Genocide
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Keep in mind, we haven't actually taken Eschich yet so we haven't gotten our usual SDF infrastructure setup here. We likely would have something around 4k strike craft if we were, but as is we only have the one Defense Station.

As for the Choirs, they're there courtesy of the Laurent's plan. I thought it would be too little to do anything, but I was wrong seeing how I vastly underestimated their range and that there would be a few very specific ships we would want eliminated ASAP
 
ShakeyDog said:
I thought we had tons of strikecraft in our defense stations, it seemed like 4k from the half-SBG-worth defense stations in Sigrillita. Although we were talking about using Lances when we made the stations since we had just gotten wrecked by the Flyssa.


Also, I assume our strikecraft have a pretty limited operating range around Long to Extreme. Even if they can travel hours or days away to the edge of the system, they make a few attack runs then have to do a return trip to rearm.

I'm surprised that there are Choirs on the Secundus stations or that they can do anything beyond a close range attack without Songs and Psytech-equiped ships. We should be sticking them with our fleets more often if we can just pick out ships to nuke.

[X] Plan: No Mr. Duchy Man, I Expect You To Not Commit Genocide
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This. Is. Eschish. This is not Secondus. We specifically put 5 Choirs in the Defense Stations on Eschish.
 
Weaving_Dreamer said:
so its not as if we're killing them with this anymore
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Honest question here; why do you insist on saying that using The Sun has ever killed a Choir when it was used? Everytime I wrote it in use, the Choir survived, everytime I was asked about it, I said it didn't kill. Hell, even in the quote you quoted and the flavor text for the Mundane Psychic Focii it is spelled out that it doesn't.

So why are you saying that?
10ebbor10 said:
You really see that difference in action pay-off in frontier vs domestic construction, because IIRc both of thsoe have 1 action worth of fortification.
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No, the first one was designated as a Fortress System and built up over 3~4 Turns before the attack/scouting happened. So it had more time to spool up.
The Laurent said:
I mean, we voted to not let the fact that they were literally trying to murder surrendered prisoners stop us from kicking their asses.
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What surrendered prisoners? They were shooting crew that bailed out of life pods. The equivalent of shooting a fighter pilot that is parachuting to the ground. Important difference here! :V
Jexx said:
@HeroCooky
1) Do we need/want Anti-Radiation Coating on the ship mounting Rad Lances?
2) What is a power consumption of Rad Lance compared to Medium Prow Lance? Will we have potential power system problem if we install three Rad Lances on 4200m*550m Light Cruiser?
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1. It wouldn't harm the design.
2. About equal to a Ligh Prow Lance.
blankmask said:
What would

Hope, Unity, Struggle, Hope, Void
Hope, Struggle Unity, Struggle, Hope,
Hope, Unity, Struggle, Unity, Hope,

Do as a song?
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United Against The Depths Of Despair
In Vain Fights As One We Continue Nonetheless
United Against All Who Oppose Our Fight
 
HeroCooky said:
Honest question here; why do you insist on saying that using The Sun has ever killed a Choir when it was used? Everytime I wrote it in use, the Choir survived, everytime I was asked about it, I said it didn't kill. Hell, even in the quote you quoted and the flavor text for the Mundane Psychic Focii it is spelled out that it doesn't.

So why are you saying that?
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I'm thinking back to the only time I remember the use of sun with......OH, I'm mixing up the End of the Line loss of the Choir with the use of The Sun against the Orks to help the Lamenters. The choir was burnt but survived the use of it against the orks and the Choir used Sun against the Dark Eldar ship but then it was ganged up on and destroyed libra they were on.

I thought the time with the orks they died and the Choir at the battle of End of the Line was killed there as well. I knew the other uses of the Sun didn't kill them but I attributed it to learning from it, I meant compared to how we are using them now with the foci we have safeguards that prevent it from going that far now.
 
HeroCooky said:
United Against The Depths Of Despair
In Vain Fights As One We Continue Nonetheless
United Against All Who Oppose Our Fight
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I like this theme. Let's try a few more.

Hope, Unity, Struggle, Death, Void,
Hope, Unity, Justice, Humanity
Hope, Unity, Humanity, Death
Hope, Unity, Technology, Creativity

HeroCooky said:
Everytime I wrote it in use, the Choir survived, everytime I was asked about it, I said it didn't kill. Hell, even in the quote you quoted and the flavor text for the Mundane Psychic Focii it is spelled out that it doesn't.
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What does the path towards the Choirs being a standard part of our battle-line look like? Broken down:
1. How much more psytech (and what psytech) do we need before they can use Laser Beam of Magic/Nova Explosiva Killinga as part of our normal order of battle (and I don't mean though the Starlance, though would laser beam of magic combo with the starlance?) Basically I'm not sure if stuff like Psyker Staffs or the Starlance is better for making offensive void Psykana.
2. What would incorporating choirs into our battlefleets look like? As far as I see it, there are two possibilities, and I kind of want to get the opinion of our professional Admirals on each:
A. We turn the Andromeda into a combat Psyker ship, with stealth and every single survivability & defensive bonus we can give it in addition to the Hymns, and then it can join the battle with our choirs providing firepower. I can see that being a bad thing because if one gets taken out then we can't transport ships all of a sudden. Should we redesign the Andromeda to be a support ship or is it feasible for it to be a combat ship at all?
B. We build Heavy/Grand Cruisers as specialist psytech ships, each with a Choir aboard and likely some psytech. These would be separate from the choirs on the Andromeda are not involved in our interstellar transport, but would mean we incorporate more choirs into our fleets. Would it be effective to basically treat a choir as 'the main battery' aboard a ship like that? What psytech would they need to pull it off?
3. Oh yeah, how do we improve the number of choirs that can sing the research bonus song again? You said something about getting better psytech last time.

I guess what I'm saying here is that I think maybe we cool it on the research for a bit, and go into Psykana for a bit. If we can build up good Psykana we can unlock stuff on par with what the Duchy has. Single weapons that can turn the tides and give us specialized rolls like what the null-nets are.

Also - our total number of Choirs should go up by a shitload in the next ten-ish turns. Our population is almost tripling with Voxx, and with that we're going to really have a ton more choirs for stuff like scouts, research etc.
 
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BigBadBob7070 said:
Keep in mind, we haven't actually taken Eschich yet so we haven't gotten our usual SDF infrastructure setup here. We likely would have something around 4k strike craft if we were, but as is we only have the one Defense Station.
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That would make sense with the build up I guess. The defense stations at Sigritta were zero actions but from designating the world more militarized when we colonized it and were worth a half-SBG, the Eshich stations were one action for one SBG as I remember so I was surprised. I guess a well developed SDF is a big contribution.

The Laurent said:
This. Is. Eschish. This is not Secondus. We specifically put 5 Choirs in the Defense Stations on Eschish.
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...so the enemy fleet is using the vastness of the solar system to skirt around our defense stations at Eshich and thats enough to bypass all the weapons but strikecraft on them but our Choirs can one shot light cruisers from that distance with a Melody. Damn thats new, lets double down on Psytech.
 
[X] Plan: No Mr. Duchy Man, I Expect You To Not Commit Genocide
I want to upgrade the sun to tier 2 the next time we get a free melody.
 
Neablis said:
Hope, Unity, Struggle, Death, Void,
Hope, Unity, Justice, Humanity
Hope, Unity, Humanity, Death
Hope, Unity, Technology, Creativity
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United Against The Yawning Abyss
United Against Injustice From Cruelty
United Against That Which Is Inevitable
United Against The Seep Corruption Of Rusting Gears
Neablis said:
1. How much more psytech (and what psytech) do we need before they can use Laser Beam of Magic/Nova Explosiva Killinga as part of our normal order of battle (and I don't mean though the Starlance, though would laser beam of magic combo with the starlance?) Basically I'm not sure if stuff like Psyker Staffs or the Starlance is better for making offensive void Psykana.
2. What would incorporating choirs into our battlefleets look like? As far as I see it, there are two possibilities, and I kind of want to get the opinion of our professional Admirals on each:
A. We turn the Andromeda into a combat Psyker ship, with stealth and every single survivability & defensive bonus we can give it in addition to the Hymns, and then it can join the battle with our choirs providing firepower. I can see that being a bad thing because if one gets taken out then we can't transport ships all of a sudden. Should we redesign the Andromeda to be a support ship or is it feasible for it to be a combat ship at all?
B. We build Heavy/Grand Cruisers as specialist psytech ships, each with a Choir aboard and likely some psytech. These would be separate from the choirs on the Andromeda are not involved in our interstellar transport, but would mean we incorporate more choirs into our fleets. Would it be effective to basically treat a choir as 'the main battery' aboard a ship like that? What psytech would they need to pull it off?
3. Oh yeah, how do we improve the number of choirs that can sing the research bonus song again? You said something about getting better psytech last time.
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1. Dunno how long it'll take you to unlock Ritual Sites and Focusing Rites.
2. B. The rest is up to you.
3. Upgrade it.
 
I wonder how
Sun Sun Sun Sun Sun,
Unity Unity Unity Unity Unity, and
Technology Technology Technology Technology Technology
would look like?

(Most of these are likely memes, but it would be interesting to see whether anything other than Compassion x5 is always unusable)
 
It should be noted that my plan can fail. There's a reason I have overkill in terms of Choirs singing Melodies, because it's possible they have some way to partially defend from it.

And there's a reason why if all else fails we're still doing the self-sacrifice play.
 
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