Which is frankly a bad call. If a majority of the thread has a clear preference for this option, HeroCooky should allow that vote to pass.
Sterbelicht - One Sacrifice At A Time Against The Galaxy (40K)
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Which is frankly a bad call. If a majority of the thread has a clear preference for this option, HeroCooky should allow that vote to pass.
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I think, okay, an actual big question @HeroCooky is, do we have/did we have any way to have a message spread far and wide? Obviously if it's literally only talking to an enemy Admiral I guess I get the vote weight... but I assumed we'd be finding a way to make sure as many people as possible heard it?
Because like to be clear we've been spending HUNDREDS of years reaching out to the people of the Van Zandt Duchy. Not the leaders, but the people.
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HeroCooky
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The thread: "We didn't gove a pre-battle speech so everyone will think we are Xenos!"
The massive revolution happening right now: "Nam Puer Stella! Solve catenas, dominos neca omnes!"
And I didn't give you an option to openly broadcast to the entire system never bothered to use diplomacy in a fashion that wasn't aimed to be as subversive as possible (cue signal to start the revolution), with the questers opinions aligning on the point of "this is going to be a death war against Van Zandt" alongside a general disdain for diplomacy Actions in Turns by the questers due to their lack of immediate pay-off in a 3 Actions per Turn system.
Additionally, the thread built up and has played the Glimmering Federation as liberators wielding fiery swords and shadowed daggers breaking the chains of the oppressed and hunted, not as beacons of radiant hope offering open arms before thundering guns speak against the horrors that refuse their enlightenment.
Which means that the Glimmering Federation itself is more aligned to think diplomacy is good for stalling or keeping fronts from being opened while they finish one war to start another, rather than something eminently worthwhile in itself.
The massive revolution happening right now: "Nam Puer Stella! Solve catenas, dominos neca omnes!"
This vote was for talking to the military?
And I didn't give you an option to openly broadcast to the entire system never bothered to use diplomacy in a fashion that wasn't aimed to be as subversive as possible (cue signal to start the revolution), with the questers opinions aligning on the point of "this is going to be a death war against Van Zandt" alongside a general disdain for diplomacy Actions in Turns by the questers due to their lack of immediate pay-off in a 3 Actions per Turn system.
Additionally, the thread built up and has played the Glimmering Federation as liberators wielding fiery swords and shadowed daggers breaking the chains of the oppressed and hunted, not as beacons of radiant hope offering open arms before thundering guns speak against the horrors that refuse their enlightenment.
Which means that the Glimmering Federation itself is more aligned to think diplomacy is good for stalling or keeping fronts from being opened while they finish one war to start another, rather than something eminently worthwhile in itself.
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I kinda... don't get this? Like, let me be clear here, talking to random Diplomats and addressing the people to try to rouse them to rebellion are... not the same thing?
The Beacon of Hope plan literally involves a massive amount of that, for instance? Hence the name of the damn plan?
Like sure, we've been going, "This is a death war against the Van Zandt" but we've also spend quite a few actions specifically caring for the opinions, beliefs, and well-being of the PEOPLE that exist in the Duchy??
Like, openly broadcasting to the entire system to give a speech about revolution and so on... doesn't feel the same as exchanging ambassadors?
HeroCooky
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To re-iterate; this vote result was you not blasting the enemy fleet with a speech but having an internal one, while your revolutionary fift column inside Voxx Primus is yelling about "The Divine Fleet of the Star Child has arrived to carry us to salvation, rise up and take arms, for the dawn is ours and our chains but ash!"
I can live with that I guess?
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This vote was about talking to the military. You didn't get an option to talk to the people because you already had a massive subverted fifth column in Primus which, if taken with the lack of diplomatic culture for the Federation, results in the assigned High Admiral not even bothering to do so.
The people you care about are already on your side, about to be, or will be given a chance to lay down arms.
The ones you don't give a rat's ass about are about to enter your weapon ranges.
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Pretty much, all in all throughout the entire Quest I feel like we have pretty much neglected doing actual diplomacy. Like we haven't taken up the Ashan Families on their Declaration of Friendship for like 2 centuries now and haven't really talked to the Mashan High Temple at all and with the Shipwright's Alliance we only did a fundraiser and a tech exchange.
But alas, too much to do, too little time, and from the sounds of things trying to do regular diplomacy without the intention of subversion sounds like an uphill battle.
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Actual diplomacy has not being taking priority at all. The Ashan have also gotten a "But they are capitalists. Why be friends?" like we aren't in Warhammer
Edit: Like it is what it is at this point but I would like Ashan to be friendly with us because we already are preaching there, might as well go all in and slowly bring them in post war...and then expand into Macabre.
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It's a good thing, considering how we came down to, like, zero actions to spare on the Van Zandt thing.
Then we should remember to do it next time.
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I'd be willing to reach out to the Families once the war is over... and we did reach out to the Irrita, they were pretty cool honestly?
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...Sure. In this case it went well. But this is the sacrifice we make for not doing diplomacy
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There's also the Black Ash Clan, we could try to make friends with them and kick in the Croaf Hegemony's teeth in as a bonding experience.
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...we definitely need to build those two new SBGs, that's for sure, if the QM is pre worrying about people panicking.
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Done the Battle Rolls and am currently writing, and I sure hope y'all have the reading comprehension to grock the report after Friendly Losses to see what you actually lost in Unrecoverable Losses. (That means you, Alectai.)
Is the push on towards Voxx Secondus still alive?
HeroCooky
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By technicality of your pre-planned strategy, yes, but there is another vote with a decision you should make (splitting the battles to make them easier to write? Me? Not me, my good fellow, never!) that will impact some stuff down the line.
"You didn't open comms to the radical omnicidal Empire before for fear that anything not hidden well enough will lead to them attacking and/or rooting out all supporters. Therefore you will not get a chance to do an open speach trying to subvert a few more people, now that they can't fuck you over for revealing yourself" is a weird take.
The reason for not having open comms aren't there anymore, but we still get a 0.25 vote weight.
We have prepared a massive subverted fifth column in Primus, so we don't care to try to use our one chance to subvert the fleets, that only don't already have a fifth column because of that Chaos Cain crit success cutting our preparations short.
I accept that it is how it is, but i disagre with the reasoning why.
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You realize that the choice is between everyone on Voxx Primus starving or not, right? If we don't push onto Voxx Secondus we might as well just throw our hands up and lose.
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That's why I said "By technicality of your pre-planned strategy, yes" followed by "but there is another vote with a decision you should make" in there. This is you taking a side-step to resolve another matter before invading Secundus, not deciding if you aren't invading at all.
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Done the Battle Rolls and am currently writing, and I sure hope y'all have the reading comprehension to grock the report after Friendly Losses to see what you actually lost in Unrecoverable Losses. (That means you, Alectai.
In my defense, my flip outs usually led to realizing you hadn't taken our lattice hulls/advanced alloys into account. If you did so this time? All is well!