Sterbelicht - One Sacrifice At A Time Against The Galaxy (40K)

What should your focus for the rest of the Quest be?

  • Mercy (Diplomacy and Expansion)

    Votes: 210 74.7%

  • Ruthlessness (Kick the Duchy in the Balls)

    Votes: 66 23.5%

  • Thule (Yeeni Handholding and Piscarian Cuddling)

    Votes: 107 38.1%
  • Total voters
    281
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Picio said:
Ok you right, but they are still far below Inquisition and besides after all this time they may have become a little complacent.
Infiltrating Hive is one thing, surviving dedicated Inquisitorial attention is quite another.
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Below Inquisition ???? Dude the Inquisition is a patchwork with some so incompetent that icant even describe it the only thing going for them is faith sometimtes and dogma shot evrything thats living otherwise they are a joke in my eyes if your only solution is to fucking take the hammer evrytime and look at evrything as nails then u are the army or have failed as an instituition for the delicates thing like investigation.
 
I mean...it doesn't seem that out there for our people on Vox Primus to get sorta blindsided by competent Inquisitorial Operatives who are specialized for anti-cult work when they haven't faced serious opposition in like a century of work on Vox Primus.

I'm sure they did secure the local infrastructure in regions under their control, but a small team of Operatives could still sneak in and cause what looks like an accident to happen, or figure out what the holdings of the Star Child in one of the Hives over years of investigating and then swoop in with overwhelming force to wipe that enclave out.

None of this is unreasonable to expect when dealing with a competent opponent you didn't see coming cause you didn't have enough of an intelligence aperatus to see them coming.
 
Lord Bane said:
Below Inquisition ???? Dude the Inquisition is a patchwork with some so incompetent that icant even describe it the only thing going for them is faith sometimtes and dogma shot evrything thats living otherwise they are a joke in my eyes if your only solution is to fucking take the hammer evrytime and look at evrything as nails then u are the army or have failed as an instituition for the delicates thing like investigation.
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It should be noted that we have no idea what the inquisition in the Van Zandt Free Dutchy looks like, beyond the fact that it is called "the inquisition".
 
Lord Bane said:
Below Inquisition ???? Dude the Inquisition is a patchwork with some so incompetent that icant even describe it the only thing going for them is faith sometimtes and dogma shot evrything thats living otherwise they are a joke in my eyes if your only solution is to fucking take the hammer evrytime and look at evrything as nails then u are the army or have failed as an instituition for the delicates thing like investigation.
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This is not Imperial Inquisition we do not now how much they reorganised in the last 600 years.
They may be hyper competent or be completely different organisation with the name they inherited.
 
RaptorusMaximus said:
I mean...it doesn't seem that out there for our people on Vox Primus to get sorta blindsided by competent Inquisitorial Operatives who are specialized for anti-cult work when they haven't faced serious opposition in like a century of work on Vox Primus.

I'm sure they did secure the local infrastructure in regions under their control, but a small team of Operatives could still sneak in and cause what looks like an accident to happen, or figure out what the holdings of the Star Child in one of the Hives over years of investigating and then swoop in with overwhelming force to wipe that enclave out.

None of this is unreasonable to expect when dealing with a competent opponent you didn't see coming cause you didn't have enough of an intelligence aperatus to see them coming.
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But it seems as if, like, we should in fact have a clue what's going on, then? We have home field advantage, but they're apparently slipping in and out without us having a goddamn clue! Like according to the text it's a mystery and our efforts to actually stop them from infiltrating have all been futile so far!
 
Once again, this is the MEMES of how 40k Inquisition is people. They can't afford to fuck up and lose many planets, they NEED to some somewhat decent and competent, they need numbers which means some slip through the cracks but not everyone of them is the pinnacle and best of 5 rolls or something. They don't have the well the Imperium Inquisition could call upon but they make do with what they have and can raise.
 
Okay, again, fine, whatever, let's throw this to @HeroCooky : do our local people have any goddamn idea how they were getting in to apparently sabotage our industry and infrastructure and how we can prevent it? And if so, why haven't they... done so?

Like if they have ideas, we should in fact know. If they're helplessly wringing their hands at the might of these unstoppable ghosts, we should in fact also know that!
 
Weaving_Dreamer said:
Once again, this is the MEMES of how 40k Inquisition is people. They can't afford to fuck up and lose many planets, they NEED to some somewhat decent and competent, they need numbers which means some slip through the cracks but not everyone of them is the pinnacle and best of 5 rolls or something. They don't have the well the Imperium Inquisition could call upon but they make do with what they have and can raise.
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We have, at least according to what the text tells us, apparently not caught them in the act even once?

Like, not even once. Every sabotage mission they sent apparently succeeded.
 
Anyway, assorted list of things to do on Vox Primus. Not everything to happen right now, just ideas for the future.

1) Corrupt local enforcer forces, to keep things on the down low. We provide them with food or whatever, deal with the criminals they want dealt with of the record, they do not persecute us. It's a win win.
2) Just pay some local information brokers to keep tabs on everything. It's an underhive, these people should be here.
3) Just pay some local assassins to bump of official of minor importance that we want to get rid of. It's an underhive, these people should be here.
4) Try to recruit some members of the local Mechanicus. we have that "recruit tech heretics trait", there should be takers, and they can provide us with a lot of knowledge on Vox Primus, as well as local infrastructure.
5) Try to figure out if there are any aristocrats that are willing to be our figure head in the revolution. Some legitimacy, or disguising this as an internal struggle, not a foreign invasion, should help.
6) Try to figure out who actually has jurisdiction over us, and is responsibile for the persecution.
7) Try to make contacts with the local churhc, which we'll need eventually if we want to spread starchild lore.
 
Like actually, @HeroCooky , I just straightforward want you to tell me if there's anything literally every single expert we've ever had on any related subject, including Cereberus for the "seeing it from the other side" perspective would change about the following?:

-[] [Other] Vox Primus Infiltration: Events on Vox Prime have shifted the dynamic rapidly, and as such the servants of the Star Child mush shift in response. Alongside this newest batch of supplies, as well as the Templars coming online, new orders will be relayed: now is a time for retrenchment and scaling back operations. Expansion is to cease, and if done carefully, retraction of territory or even factories is to be done, with any decrease in factory land or agriculture to be matched so as to not lead to shortages and etc. Discretion and the new Song is to be used, and a focus is to be shifted for the moment towards sending personnel and material to begin to infiltrate other levels of the Hive-Cities to establish a functional intelligence network to learn more about both how everything on Vox Primus functions and hopefully more about the history and current state of the Van Zandt Duchy as a civilization. These Intelligence Networks are to take all efforts to avoid exposing themselves-converting others to the Star Child's Light should only be undertaken if operatives are 100% certain that doing so will not jeopardize the network.
--[] A list of questions we expect answers to, given a decade to ask, are to at the VERY least, the following points as seen here. (Link to Ebbor's thing)
--[] Furthermore, greater caution and internal security and defensiveness is to be exercised in order to prevent sabotage in the future. All security systems are to be updated, tests are to be utilized for moles, watches or so on to be put in place, etc, etc. Literally everything any spy has ever done to prevent infiltration and subversion.
-[] [If Free] Audit the School of Paladins to identify limitations of its scope or flaws in the teaching/etc.

Enough with having to play games where you reveal that oops, we wrote something wrong. We have access to expertise. We're going to use it.
 
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I do wonder if the Van Zandt Duchy has access to Space Marines, because these sorts of Spec Ops moves scream Space Marine Scout operatives to me. Did we ever check whether they have Space Marines or have a neighbor that has them?
 
Chronic said:
I do wonder if the Van Zandt Duchy has access to Space Marines, because these sorts of Spec Ops moves scream Space Marine Scout operatives to me. Did we ever check whether they have Space Marines or have a neighbor that has them?
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Nope. Presumably if they had Space Marines they'd be in the propaganda broadcasts that nobody in the entire infiltration listened to even once. :V
 
The Laurent said:
Nope. Presumably if they had Space Marines they'd be in the propaganda broadcasts that nobody in the entire infiltration listened to even once. :V
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I mean it is possible that a neighbor of theirs has Space Marines and the Van Zandt can call on them in return for owing them favours. Space Marine chapters tend to operate pretty independently after all. In which case they probably wouldn't appear on their propaganda reels outside of generic "The God-Emperors Angels are on the side of his servants" which probably appears in every state that draws its legitimacy from being an Imperium successor.
 
[] Plan Vox Damage Control and Restructuring, The Laurent Alternative Version v2
-[] [Military] Militarize The Schools Of Paladins
-[] [Psykana] Sing a Song
--[] Silence, Protection, Grounding, Perception
-[] [Other] Vox Primus Infiltration: Events on Vox Prime have shifted the dynamic rapidly, and as such the servants of the Star Child mush shift in response. Alongside this newest batch of supplies, as well as the Templars coming online, new orders will be relayed: now is a time for retrenchment and scaling back operations. Expansion is to cease, and if done carefully, retraction of territory or even factories is to be done, with any decrease in factory land or agriculture to be matched so as to not lead to shortages and etc. Discretion and the new Song is to be used, and a focus is to be shifted for the moment towards sending personnel and material to begin to infiltrate other levels of the Hive-Cities to establish a functional intelligence network to learn more about both how everything on Vox Primus functions and hopefully more about the history and current state of the Van Zandt Duchy as a civilization. These Intelligence Networks are to take all efforts to avoid exposing themselves-converting others to the Star Child's Light should only be undertaken if operatives are 100% certain that doing so will not jeopardize the network.
--[] A list of questions we expect answers to, given a decade to ask, are to at the VERY least, the following points as seen here.
--[] Furthermore, greater caution and internal security and defensiveness is to be exercised in order to prevent sabotage in the future. All security systems are to be updated, tests are to be utilized for moles, watches or so on to be put in place, etc, etc. Literally everything any spy has ever done to prevent infiltration and subversion.
--[] Before and during enacting it ask for both local (Voxx Primus) advice, advice from the other side from Cerberus, and School of Paladins advice among other things, changing ANY of the previous sections and adding anything that a general consensus of relevant experts would argue would be helpful for achieving the basic and fundamental goals outlined here.
-[] [Free] Audit the School of Paladins to identify limitations of its scope or flaws in the teaching/etc.

With an added clause.
 
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The Laurent said:
Nope, and unlike the sarcasm I just deployed I don't think that that's actually bullshit. Scouting is hard and our 5-10 system Scouting Efficiency is low.
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TBH, it depends on how secretive the Duchy is to it's general population. Do htye have victory broadcasts, showing legions in far or places defending the realm? Can you buy a map?
They might not, wouldn't be out of character, but they might.
 
[] Plan Voxx takes up to many Actions
-[] [General] Propaganda For The Foreign Masses (1/3) x2
--[] Prepare Voxx Primus for an uprising in 170 (17) Turns
-[] [General] Terraform (Maphara)
 
sun tzu said:
I'll also say - Militarize The Schools Of Paladins strikes me as something very good for when the actual fighting starts, but also very bad for the ongoing infiltration efforts.

I mean, how are the Duchy people going to react if, suddenly, the mysterious super-gangs have elite warriors in power armor fighting for them?
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You say that like Sisters of Battle, and our future Paladins, are defined by Power Armor and Bolters. While it is a distinctive look for them, at their core they're highly trained fanatical zealots dedicated to the cause. While they would prefer to fight in their standard kit, they should also be able to kick ass with just flak armor and lasguns and our Paladins would definitely get some training in being subtle since they're being a branch of the School of Missionaries.
Lord Bane said:
Below Inquisition ???? Dude the Inquisition is a patchwork with some so incompetent that icant even describe it the only thing going for them is faith sometimtes and dogma shot evrything thats living otherwise they are a joke in my eyes if your only solution is to fucking take the hammer evrytime and look at evrything as nails then u are the army or have failed as an instituition for the delicates thing like investigation.
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Like others have said, this isn't the Inquisition, it's the alternative that the Duchy came up with and I doubt they would have tolerated the one they made to have no oversight whatsoever and could do whatever the hell they want.
 
The Laurent said:
@HeroCooky , we have by this point millions of experts on the planet. Is it really a mystery to us how the ventilation systems were somehow hijacked in areas we've controlled for decades?
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The Laurent said:
Then how are they sabotaging our infrastructure, the one thing we've actually focused on securing, @HeroCooky ?
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The Laurent said:
Like okay actually, even more fundamentally. Did we... not destroy or bring under control infrastructure in areas we take control of, @HeroCooky
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The Laurent said:
Okay, again, fine, whatever, let's throw this to @HeroCooky : do our local people have any goddamn idea how they were getting in to apparently sabotage our industry and infrastructure and how we can prevent it? And if so, why haven't they... done so?
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You don't know. Your experts don't know. The people in charge of that shit had the documents/evidence to show they got that under their control. The experts from somewhere unrelated you grabbed don't know. The Kil'drabi experts have no idea. The Choir that poked it could only shrug its shoulders when nothing weird or out of place returned after some weeks of investigation.

It is pure, unadulterated bullshit that couldn't have happened...yet it did.

You are currently checking/proofing all of your shit against similar happenings.
The Laurent said:
Like actually, @HeroCooky , I just straightforward want you to tell me if there's anything literally every single expert we've ever had on any related subject, including Cereberus for the "seeing it from the other side" perspective would change about the following?:
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I, the person that will write the effects of this write-in out, cannot see anything wrong with this that would prevent it from doing what you want it to do.

Can anyone in the thread point at anything?
The Laurent said:
What kind of scale would this be as a Stealth Song or whatever? What sort of vibes does it have, @HeroCooky ?:

--[] Silence, Protection, Grounding, Perception
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'bout the size of New York in its umbrella.
Turn Their Eyes Away
 
Okay, so, yeah, soliciting general thread feedback of the following:

-[] [Other] Vox Primus Infiltration: Events on Vox Prime have shifted the dynamic rapidly, and as such the servants of the Star Child mush shift in response. Alongside this newest batch of supplies, as well as the Templars coming online, new orders will be relayed: now is a time for retrenchment and scaling back operations. Expansion is to cease, and if done carefully, retraction of territory or even factories is to be done, with any decrease in factory land or agriculture to be matched so as to not lead to shortages and etc. Discretion and the new Song is to be used, and a focus is to be shifted for the moment towards sending personnel and material to begin to infiltrate other levels of the Hive-Cities to establish a functional intelligence network to learn more about both how everything on Vox Primus functions and hopefully more about the history and current state of the Van Zandt Duchy as a civilization. These Intelligence Networks are to take all efforts to avoid exposing themselves-converting others to the Star Child's Light should only be undertaken if operatives are 100% certain that doing so will not jeopardize the network.
--[] A list of questions we expect answers to, given a decade to ask, are to at the VERY least, the following points as seen here.
--[] Furthermore, greater caution and internal security and defensiveness is to be exercised in order to prevent sabotage in the future. All security systems are to be updated, tests are to be utilized for moles, watches or so on to be put in place, etc, etc. Literally everything any spy has ever done to prevent infiltration and subversion.
--[] Before and during enacting it ask for both local (Voxx Primus) advice, advice from the other side from Cerberus, and School of Paladins advice among other things, changing ANY of the previous sections and adding anything that a general consensus of relevant experts would argue would be helpful for achieving the basic and fundamental goals outlined here.
-[] [Free] Audit the School of Paladins to identify limitations of its scope or flaws in the teaching/etc.

HeroCooky said:
You don't know. Your experts don't know. The people in charge of that shit had the documents/evidence to show they got that under their control. The experts from somewhere unrelated you grabbed don't know. The Kil'drabi experts have no idea. The Choir that poked it could only shrug its shoulders when nothing weird or out of place returned after some weeks of investigation.

It is pure, unadulterated bullshit that couldn't have happened...yet it did.

You are currently checking/proofing all of your shit against similar happenings.
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Okay, ask the Lamenters. Does that seem... Alpha Legion-y?
 
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