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Yeah, I'd be fine with them having a world, but the wording of that makes me slightly worried.
Sterbelicht - One Sacrifice At A Time Against The Galaxy (40K)
- Thread starter HeroCooky
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ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
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I'm all for letting the lamenters to have this system as there homeworld system it is an ancient right of space marine chapters and would be a massive boon towards the space marines.
And massively help with their rebuilding as well. Combined with providing the candle keepers some form of shield for when we encounter the imperium also is very nice to have.
And massively help with their rebuilding as well. Combined with providing the candle keepers some form of shield for when we encounter the imperium also is very nice to have.
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We kind of need the Lamenters to stick with us, given they're some of our strongest soldiers. Plus if/when the Imperium does decide to return to this system and reclaim it, best case scenario is they remain neutral in the conflict, worst case scenario they side with the Imperium instead.
Better we take the system instead.
Also it sucks that the Chaos fleet dipped. Especially since they're now probably going to spread word about us to other Chaos war bands they'll meet.
Better we take the system instead.
Also it sucks that the Chaos fleet dipped. Especially since they're now probably going to spread word about us to other Chaos war bands they'll meet.
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Also, this would put us at Food IV... so I wonder whether in the next 2-3 turns we would wanna get to Food V... because as a note, anything unlocked STAYS unlocked.
Looking at the stats for it in BFG Armada 2, it's as fast as a Cobra Destroyer and while it isn't heavily armored and has short range weapons, it has a triple barrel missile turret, a a triple barrel light macro turret, and 2 Merged Macrobattery Weapons on each side (half a Macrobattery and half a double barrel heavy lance battery. It's fucking weird and clearly the result of Dark Mechanicus mad science)
As for what we do, I think we should integrate. Not really a fan of letting the Lamenters start drifting away.
somewhat worried where they exactly dipped too cause if it theta sigma the minor xenos are in for a very bad time and if it the end of the line...they are also in for a very bad time if anyone there maybe it abaonded like ulitma, either way excited to see what our scouts report back
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
... I was not expecting them to Run like a bunch of little bitches
A pleasant outcome, but not exactly ideal.
The real question here is. "I'm not afraid of doing some Hard Work to do what Must Be Done", the question is "What's best for our buddies?" Because what's good for our friends is also good for us.
@HeroCooky , is there any way you can elaborate on what these choices mean? Like, is it "Letting the Lamenters uplift it on their own terms saves us effort but also sort of establishes a distance, vs helping them out"
It's weird that this is a binary, you know? If they need recruiting worlds, and they like this place, sure? Why does apparently letting them have it apparently draw them away? I'm entirely fine with them being allies to us but Also their own people, we shouldn't claim a monopoly on their time after all.
A pleasant outcome, but not exactly ideal.
The real question here is. "I'm not afraid of doing some Hard Work to do what Must Be Done", the question is "What's best for our buddies?" Because what's good for our friends is also good for us.
@HeroCooky , is there any way you can elaborate on what these choices mean? Like, is it "Letting the Lamenters uplift it on their own terms saves us effort but also sort of establishes a distance, vs helping them out"
It's weird that this is a binary, you know? If they need recruiting worlds, and they like this place, sure? Why does apparently letting them have it apparently draw them away? I'm entirely fine with them being allies to us but Also their own people, we shouldn't claim a monopoly on their time after all.
HeroCooky
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In order: Yes, and *Stares At Glaring Lack Of Speedy Warp Transit.*
Edit: Also, they'd be establishing their HQ there, and not have it on Cradle Station, the Candle Keepers Capital.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Ah, it's just a natural consequence of them being a system away from us and with no reliable Astropathic or Warp communications rather than them somehow disliking it?
Honestly though, I don't see them suddenly Betraying us for giving them what they want? At best, it means we're not constantly beaming propaganda into their heads, but it's not like they're suddenly going to backstab us either, I think we've been pretty thoroughly on the side of the proverbial angels here so far.
I'm not actually against letting them have some space though, and if they like this place, more to it. We're not going to stop being friends after all. If this is what they want, I'm inclined to give it to them.
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HeroCooky
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Yep. Having no FTL comms sure is a bother, huh? Who woulda thunk?
That's what you are deciding here. Do the Lamenters want the planets, and become a planetary Chapter, or remain fleet bound? (As much as they are fleet bound currently.)
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Yep. Having no FTL comms sure is a bother, huh? Who woulda thunk?
We should work on that problem, definitely, but in the meantime, I imagine having enough Scouts fluttering around will reduce the communications lag by having them double as couriers?
Yep. Having no FTL comms sure is a bother, huh? Who woulda thunk?
Ahhhh, I think I understand then, broadly, this is deciding what the Lamenters want to do, either be a Planetary Chapter or a Fleet Chapter.
Honestly, they both have their pros and cons, so I'll have to really ponder the shit out of this question.
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Actually can someone pin the list of Songs that we need to get Navigator equivilents?
HeroCooky
Unverified Monstergirl
It would, but you should worry about getting accurate reports about the outlying systems first, before you start looking at getting a courier service up and running.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Would that also give us Astro-Telepathy equivilant or would that be simpler?
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Next turn we could do Food V, one integrate, and Home?
Question, @HeroCooky , investing in Psykana operates on a different scale than the automatic stuff, right? Since otherwise it'd be a waste of time to do it except on points where it's at 0/1.
I assumed that that kept on ticking up in the background, as it were.
Okay, so what would happen if we did a Song, but used Tier II of the Melodies? Would we just get a stronger version of the song? What would a tier II Pseudo-navigator song do?
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Probably greater range?
HeroCooky
Unverified Monstergirl
Replace Humanity with Unity, and you can get that equivalent.
The Sun, Level 1, gave a single Choir (5 stable/sane-ish Gamma Psykers) the ability to snap off a Naval-Grade Psyker Power.
Please educate me on which other faction has an equivalent, should you know any. Or, in other words, yes. Yes, the scale is different.
(Unless you mean what the auto-progress means, in which case: that is a random power until you have 10 free (unused) Choirs. Or that the 0.4. Progress is lost, in which case: no. You just get +1 full Action, and the 0.2 per-turn tick added to the timer.)
Tier II is stronger than Tier I. And you'd get more of...everything.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Having Stable Psykers who don't have to worry about things just blowing up on them randomly because KAYOS is our Cheat Code that lets us punch up, huh? Or is it just that The Sun is that strong of an Arcana?
EDIT: Hah, let me guess, a Melody caps at 5, right?
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No, that's... not what I was asking?
What I meant was.
[] [Psykana] Conduct a Melody (Choose one below.) (0.4/1 - Auto Complete)
If you actively choose to complete a melody, does this still increase and not go away?
That's what I meant by the scale, is it that you get a (random) Psykana every five turns plus whichever ones you actively choose to do, or is it that you get a Psykana every five turns or waste the progress in choosing to do something active?
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
It still increases and doesn't go away, is what HC said. The tracker is separate from learning a Psykana
Anyway, I think...
Honestly, I'm okay with either result? taking another god damn hit to our Industries suck, but at least we can afford it now. I really wish that gaining new worlds actually had a material advantage for us though. It Should, but so far, they're generally a net-negative to our polity. Losing 4 points across everything else in order to get +2 points of Food... For 2 actions, same as if we built them, is Pain Given Form given how choked our Action Economy already is.
Like, you'd figure once a new world is integrated, it'd start benefiting us, but so far, any of those benefits are below our level of abstraction despite our massive expansion and almost everything being integrated, and that sucks.
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HeroCooky
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To be fair, the Imperium just warlock's theirs to Big E's screaming corpse.
You, on the other hand, give them a few centuries of life and a lot of therapy and healthy activities.
And, *gasp*! How did you ever guess?
Oh, yeah. It still increases.
Local Poster miffed that expanding into the shitholes the Imperium and Orks left behind with a polity built upon raising everyone up and not leaving them to wallow in misery is actually not a net positive in industry while they are still being built up.
But yeah, wait until you get enough systems to just double your navy output. That will likely change your opinion.
I'd say build more Lupus Destroyers or another Taurus so we can ferry more units at once.