I think it should work in sacred sands planets.
Sterbelicht - One Sacrifice At A Time Against The Galaxy (40K)
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Okay so the issue here is the time limit. We are OOC 2-3 months away from the Endgame as it were. If we had more time I'd go "Okay the traits will allow us to explode out even faster" but we don't have that kind of time. What we have here is the ability to speed up our research and some other actions by a decent factor of time(1 and a half months or so) so that we can put them on the back burner and focus on other things.
We have fallen into the classic SV trap of building insanely tall and are now contending with having to go wide. To go wide with minimal pain we need to take the 50 actions and explode through our research and whatever else and then come out the gate swinging diplomatically and expansion wise. The other options here just won't let us do that because we will be held back by other priorities.
We have fallen into the classic SV trap of building insanely tall and are now contending with having to go wide. To go wide with minimal pain we need to take the 50 actions and explode through our research and whatever else and then come out the gate swinging diplomatically and expansion wise. The other options here just won't let us do that because we will be held back by other priorities.
As I see it we have a significant narrative choice here and now about the future of the Glimmerling federation. Between leaning harder into shutting chaos down, or winning against all the other threats of the galaxy.
Let's think long-term, beyond the duration of the quest. If we choose the trait upgrade, combined with psykana we really are an anti-chaos faction. But if we take A Bounty of Labor and pour it into tech then all of our ships get necron-derived tech boosted by psykana, which should let us fight everybody else way better.
There's no way to get both. This is a one-or-the-other type situation. Be long-term anti-Chaos, or forever have necron tech?
Let's think long-term, beyond the duration of the quest. If we choose the trait upgrade, combined with psykana we really are an anti-chaos faction. But if we take A Bounty of Labor and pour it into tech then all of our ships get necron-derived tech boosted by psykana, which should let us fight everybody else way better.
There's no way to get both. This is a one-or-the-other type situation. Be long-term anti-Chaos, or forever have necron tech?
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We can sink 34 actions into research, 8 in void industry, a couple into design and 6 into fleetbuilding. Would get us insane amount of insanely good ships to steamroll neighbors with.
We already have the best resistance to Chaos corruption in town.
Being resistant to Chaos corruption is not the same as being resistant to Chaos bombing you from orbit with 13 Battleships. We need to improve our military power, and we're gonna get far better result with the 50 actions. That way lie Federal Battleships with Necron-based weapons, Choirs with awesome staves and hoods, and mountain-sized giant robots stomping on Chaos armies.
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The issue is that we are, despite our dev points, absolutely small when it comes to our research and size. To put it into perspective the closest example to us in dev right now is the Tau and they were on their 4th sphere at this point. We...well 2nd sphere?
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Eh, I would say first and a half sphere
I think that instead of isc access and terraformation, we should put a write-in to annex Lords of eternity.
@HeroCooky how many AP that would take?
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Is it there a reason we cant take Wildcat Traders and Tramp Freighters now?
Is it there a reason we cant take Wildcat Traders and Tramp Freighters now?
Ill like to take the following:
[] A Society Dynamic, Bold, And True - [Choose 5]
-[] *Madder Binary Screeching*
Auto research is always good
-[][Medical Services] Multi-Spectral Development Efforts
THe medical traith we wanted
-[][Void Industry] Military-Industrial Design Competition
This gives ships about 5DP or make them better then the current ones making it easier to fit supergear
-[] The Wonders Of Economy Of Scale II
Free ships every turn that scale with our economy.
-][Medical Services] Omnipresent Augmentations
a boost for almost everything
[] A Society Dynamic, Bold, And True - [Choose 5]
-[] *Madder Binary Screeching*
Auto research is always good
-[][Medical Services] Multi-Spectral Development Efforts
THe medical traith we wanted
-[][Void Industry] Military-Industrial Design Competition
This gives ships about 5DP or make them better then the current ones making it easier to fit supergear
-[] The Wonders Of Economy Of Scale II
Free ships every turn that scale with our economy.
-][Medical Services] Omnipresent Augmentations
a boost for almost everything
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We can do that and then next turn hit the Watchtower Confederacy with an ISC access. That ought to be useful to opening that door
Because Alectai's apparently busy I'm going to take a look at the new void unlocks.
It's been posted before, but lol.
Well, let's see what we spend all that DP on:
I'm confused about the difference between these things: Enginarium is engines, Armis is guns, signum is... sensors? and arma is... guns again? I'm confused.
Now for guns! First the biggest ones:
Now the battleship only weapons.
But of course, we can't forget the bonus that Battleships can mount 1 DP weapons easily. Important question for @HeroCooky, with the Crusader Doctrine halving certain weapon types, does that bonus extend to 2 DP weapons? Light macros to medium macros. Hmm.
Anyway, I'm probably not going to design one of these anytime soon, but I look forward to seeing what people get up to with it.
It's been posted before, but lol.
28 km by 6 km brick that can move at 1 G with Deus armor and 5 refutation-pattern void shields... and you've still got 123 DP left over. What a ship.
Well, let's see what we spend all that DP on:
Cool cool. Stack the range on the lances to absurd degrees.
Haha RAMMING BATTLESHIP. I mean, this might be better on a ramming Grand Cruiser that's meant to break the spine of battleships. I'm not entirely sure. Still, I do like the idea of making a super-cancer ramming ship.
I don't know if a battleship is a missleboat, but I appreciate the spirit. Though it would be funny to put a ton of kopesh pods on the outside and throw a cruiser's mass in missles at somebody in one salvo.
@HeroCooky This is supposed to be Kil'drabi, right? Otherwise seems... fine?
Ok this is cool. I love the idea of a ship that's extra-warp-resistant.
Nice nice. Important for a carrier ship.
... eh? If you're planning for your battleship to get blown up you should put that effort into making it tougher.
Also pretty eh on this.
Ok, this is fun. We could make generation-ships!
Oh I like this one. Boarding: No.
Oooh. Synergy with the ramming! Maybe it'll get upgraded by the necron tech.
Shields good - I could see cramming this into a light-cruiser shield-tank.
I'm confused about the difference between these things: Enginarium is engines, Armis is guns, signum is... sensors? and arma is... guns again? I'm confused.
Now for guns! First the biggest ones:
Wow. I really like the Heavy Tetratek. That's awesome. One-shot a fleet. That would be a good thing to put on... every single battleship.
Now the battleship only weapons.
All looks good - 160 fighters for 8 DP compared to 72 fighters for 4 DP. Callout to the super-heavy rotary plasma-macro cannons and the ultra-heavy missile pods. I like the description of the ultra-heavy missiles.
But of course, we can't forget the bonus that Battleships can mount 1 DP weapons easily. Important question for @HeroCooky, with the Crusader Doctrine halving certain weapon types, does that bonus extend to 2 DP weapons? Light macros to medium macros. Hmm.
Anyway, I'm probably not going to design one of these anytime soon, but I look forward to seeing what people get up to with it.
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Honestly this is also good. Scaling our research up like this would put us on a good level. After that going crazy on expansion ain't a bad call. But yeah the main thing is that we need to expand and while I love anti-chaos... @HeroCooky are there other ways to increase our anti-Chaos trait. Can we ask the StarChild what the methods are?
This so damn much. We've spent way too much time building tall. We *need* to spend actions expanding.
We need to get the damned duels done and also spend a action to absorb the Lords of Eternity, use another action to lend a ISC to the Watchtower Confederacy, and a action to colonize all the habitable worlds.
We also need a hell of a lot more warships.
Iirc we haven't actually built fleets in like almost 20? Turns? Nomad fleet doesn't count. They are also insufficient anyways to the sheer scale of our enemies.
We need to stop being so damn focused on research and actually *build shit*.
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50 Upgraded Tech Actions with Grand Design means super AI + Necron Tech of best quality + other things.
Beacon means our main foe that is Chaos will be even less able to harm us....
@HeroCooky what would have changed with effects on Federation and neighbors during Slaaneshi Warp Storm if we got the upgraded Faith trait then, assuming same actions taken?
Beacon means our main foe that is Chaos will be even less able to harm us....
@HeroCooky what would have changed with effects on Federation and neighbors during Slaaneshi Warp Storm if we got the upgraded Faith trait then, assuming same actions taken?
I'm definitely on plan Bounty, with The Grand Design and the following proposed distribution:
32ish actions into research (gets pretty much everything except maybe the rejuve)
8 actions into getting void industry up to XX
2 actions into Warp Observatory
1 action into melody upgrade (we've got several songs that could use upgrading)
1 action into singing some songs (protection from chaos + machine spirits)
3 actions into ship design (to design our new battleships/redesign everything else with the new tech)
1 action into unifying with the Lords of Eternity
1 action into buying out the Black Cat
1 action into colonizing the 4 habitable worlds we've got sitting in our pocket.
Remember we can't build fleets until after the ships are designed.
32ish actions into research (gets pretty much everything except maybe the rejuve)
8 actions into getting void industry up to XX
2 actions into Warp Observatory
1 action into melody upgrade (we've got several songs that could use upgrading)
1 action into singing some songs (protection from chaos + machine spirits)
3 actions into ship design (to design our new battleships/redesign everything else with the new tech)
1 action into unifying with the Lords of Eternity
1 action into buying out the Black Cat
1 action into colonizing the 4 habitable worlds we've got sitting in our pocket.
Remember we can't build fleets until after the ships are designed.
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There are research we shouldnt get. We are *not* getting Autonomous Automata. Especially if we aren't getting the anti-chaos trait boost for example.
Lamenters: 🕯️Lamenting🕯️
Chaos:⚰️🪦
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With diminishing returns.
One.
The what now?
Yep, fixed.
Made them more distinct and hopefully recognizable for what they do.Neablis said:
Nope!Neablis said:
Yeah. With the All-XV and XX choice.
No idea.
Huh? That's quite good and it opens a path of expansion
I might prefer Duel of the Fates to void industry, and getting black ash. As it is will take another 9ish turns, thoughts?
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