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We really taking the multiple actions bonus for our All-XV instead of the anti-chaos trait upgrade or the additional traits? Having bunch of extra ap sound so boring.
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Sterbelicht - One Sacrifice At A Time Against The Galaxy (40K)
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Alectai
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*despair*
Fuck it, I don't even care anymore, I'm going to go off in a corner and cry for a while.
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I guess if people really want it I guess that's what we will do
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Getting the numbers up gets you to do some actual work. The "fun option" isn't as fun when the AP for everything else that's fun is fought for at every end.
Like the Sacred Sands option is great because it's an auto ticker but if it was an AP sink we'd kill that thing in the crib.
Personally doing a ton of research(which is narratively interesting) by taking a "boring trait" is better than an upgrade to something we can do with 500 choirs
I'm down for the extra AP for research. Basically the trait we're taking is "Blessed Necron Tech" since that's 23 of our research actions. Let me put it this way:
Doing Bounty of Labor gets us a LOT of Tech (and Grand Design Blessed Tech at that) which means we'll unlock so much good technology it's basically a trait in and of itself. Not only is it basically giving us the trait of
Reverse-Engineered Necron Technology
But also:
Widespread Smart and Compassionate Wetware Automata.
Think of those as the benefit of the All-X bonus and you won't be far off.
1. Will The Grand Design work with Bounty of Labor? All of this is based on the idea that we can get all of the Blessed versions of our technology, from Soothing Warcaskets through Compassionate Civilian Automata. Does that actually work, now that it's time to make the plan?
2. ... does the above quote mean that we should hold off on singing The Grand Design until next turn? It activates the turn we Sing it, and we're not doing any research this turn. We're doing all of it next turn? I don't want to get in a position where we sing it now, then the warp goes back up to high and we panic turn it off and lose the benefit for our All-X action.
3. We're not planning absolute fuckery, but we are planning to turn the 25 actions into about 45 actions, mostly through Glint of Genius. Is that kosher?
Just... seems like we need clarification on if this whole plan is gonna work or not.
Doing Bounty of Labor gets us a LOT of Tech (and Grand Design Blessed Tech at that) which means we'll unlock so much good technology it's basically a trait in and of itself. Not only is it basically giving us the trait of
Reverse-Engineered Necron Technology
But also:
Widespread Smart and Compassionate Wetware Automata.
Think of those as the benefit of the All-X bonus and you won't be far off.
@HeroCooky I think we need some clarificaton on some really important points that will make or break the plan @Alectai i and I are cooking up.
1. Will The Grand Design work with Bounty of Labor? All of this is based on the idea that we can get all of the Blessed versions of our technology, from Soothing Warcaskets through Compassionate Civilian Automata. Does that actually work, now that it's time to make the plan?
2. ... does the above quote mean that we should hold off on singing The Grand Design until next turn? It activates the turn we Sing it, and we're not doing any research this turn. We're doing all of it next turn? I don't want to get in a position where we sing it now, then the warp goes back up to high and we panic turn it off and lose the benefit for our All-X action.
3. We're not planning absolute fuckery, but we are planning to turn the 25 actions into about 45 actions, mostly through Glint of Genius. Is that kosher?
Just... seems like we need clarification on if this whole plan is gonna work or not.
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I assume upgrading the trait means the song will than upgrade to the next level above that and I like the idea of making our core trait better, plus honestly though I like taking research for the upgrades I would not say they are narratively interesting considering they barely get mentions when we do them.
Even then I am fine with doing the proposed plan, its just a small preference.
EDIT: though thinking about it, doing this much research should guarantee them getting mentioned in the update
I am sorry for causing distress???
If people want to do a tons of research plan than do that? Just because I like more an upgrade to the anti-chaos trait does not mean I dislike if we did tons of research instead.
EDIT: Maybe I should have used less serious wording to indicate that I am also fine with doing a lot of research
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this one is on the house alectai:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntv9R1She5A
one day you will get a win in thread
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The issue is more that...okay personally here as the occasional dabbler in plan making it is irritating when you are trying to set up the conditions for a slam dunk that gets the impact we have to go higher and then have to contend with people being bored of the setup and making a plan that delays it(or disrupts it) especially as every delay does mean that the crisis core can come by and jump you and ruin the whole plan. Alectai has experienced this as well.
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personally my worry is what option leads to the bigger action sink
i despise wasting several turns into unskipable options that are no fun
is the quest equivalent of "press X to cut scene you cant skip" walking simulators games
illusion of gameplay
if boosting research leads to less action sink i choose that
if going all in trait leads to less action sink i choose that
i despise wasting several turns into unskipable options that are no fun
is the quest equivalent of "press X to cut scene you cant skip" walking simulators games
illusion of gameplay
if boosting research leads to less action sink i choose that
if going all in trait leads to less action sink i choose that
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I mean, I think most of the planners here are in alignment. @Alectai's Grand Design Bounty of Labor has been the plan for the last... 15 updates or so?
We'll push it through.
I'm just waiting on a couple of confirmations from the QM about the plan. There's a chance we need to turn on the Symphony next turn instead of this turn, and if HeroCooky says this whole thing isn't gonna work then we'll just take All-X and figure out a different bonus.
We'll push it through.
I'm just waiting on a couple of confirmations from the QM about the plan. There's a chance we need to turn on the Symphony next turn instead of this turn, and if HeroCooky says this whole thing isn't gonna work then we'll just take All-X and figure out a different bonus.
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Well, you don't have to worry about that considering I do not make plans. I guess I wrote that with a stronger language than I intended.
EDIT: Guess this is what I get for breaking out of lurking
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Yes and No. Ace and Blank are saying it happens the Turn after the Actions to reach All X are spent, so they want to finish what they see as critical now, rather than with the Bounty.
No. Sacred Sands is a large-scale thing that also requires great stability. Think dining-table sized and frequency of movement.
1. Yes.
2. Just keep in mind that Activating a Symphony takes an Action and starts it the Turn it is Activated, not the Turn after. Meaning it affects Actions it is paired with right away. So if you aren't doing stuff with Symphonies this Turn, you shouldn't use it this Turn.
3. Yes.
rip the dream of doing a bounty of labor to loop our way to All-XV
We could've done it with even non loop math — 25 * 1.5 (Mechandrite) * 1.25 (Cry) = 46. We only need ~40 or so AP to clear out our Dev and then have 6 to do whatever else like more expeditions
And then we could do ABoL again
Alas. All-X and a research rush turn is still really good.
Dev is fucking boring. Press research button is mostly boring.
Spending our All-X (it's All-X btw, not All-XV lol) on doing this means that we can actually do interesting things than do boring turns and scrape to do interesting things on occasion.
Do this now so we can do fun stuff later like joining with Shipwrights, do more funny expeditions, build up giant fleets and Titan legions to throw down with Chaos, sing more cracked out songs, whatever.
It literally burns me that we're not doing All-X to jump to All-XV but it's whatever — if we're doing All-XV the long way, we can do the neat upgrades to that then.
We could've done it with even non loop math — 25 * 1.5 (Mechandrite) * 1.25 (Cry) = 46. We only need ~40 or so AP to clear out our Dev and then have 6 to do whatever else like more expeditions
And then we could do ABoL again
Alas. All-X and a research rush turn is still really good.
I cannot emphasize this enough.
Dev is fucking boring. Press research button is mostly boring.
Spending our All-X (it's All-X btw, not All-XV lol) on doing this means that we can actually do interesting things than do boring turns and scrape to do interesting things on occasion.
Do this now so we can do fun stuff later like joining with Shipwrights, do more funny expeditions, build up giant fleets and Titan legions to throw down with Chaos, sing more cracked out songs, whatever.
It literally burns me that we're not doing All-X to jump to All-XV but it's whatever — if we're doing All-XV the long way, we can do the neat upgrades to that then.
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Please, the Observatory... Just one turn to see if it's okay to Pull The Trigger, maybe also some Choirs on the anti-scheme Song to make sure nothing, absolutely nothing gets in the way.
I want the trigger.
I just don't want Chaos to rain on this parade.
I want the trigger.
I just don't want Chaos to rain on this parade.
Probably, I mean it does cost us the warp instability. We could take an observatory action just in case some other thing than bounty of labour wins the ALLX vote
[ ] Plan: Let the reeee rage on
-[ ] [Free] Activate Devouring Mechadendrite at full strength, deactivate Heartbeat of Industry, activate Glint of Genius at full strength, activate Foretold Luminous Paths Seen (-140 Choirs net, drawing primarily from Steam Valves)
-[] [Free] Consecrate In Sacred Sand
-[ ] [General] Develop The Federations'...
--[ ] Void Industry XV (0/1)
---[ ] Void Industry XVI (0/1)
--[ ] Medical Services X (0/1) (Mechadendrite AP)
-[] [Psykana] Warp Observatory (2/3)
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Hmm there is the genuine fear of this being a situation where we have our Warp Indicator jump on the turn of the big hotness so I am not necessarily against the delay...getting the observatory up isn't a bad call for insurance purposes.
Cool, thank you for the clarification.
This is my interpretation too. Which means we have an extra action this turn. Which we could use on development, but may I instead interest you in:
Songs Of Progress Sung With Lessons Understood And Applied - Song III, Progress III, Wisdom I, Creativity III, Innovation I
Machines Shielded Against Abberant Thoughts - Protection, Technology, Void, Song, Unity
The idea is that the former gives us bonus pskyana actions we can use during the Bounty turn to finish off the observatory, and the latter lets us take the Automata research without risk.
I don't disgree, but it's a bit too game-breaky for my taste. I think if we do that we get instant warp-storm or similar smack due to abuse of mechanics. We don't get to do all-X into immediate all-XV.
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Alectai
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Could be worthwhile, yeah.
Honestly, I'm pretty sure All-X hasn't been achieved since the Dark Ages? And maybe the Tau if they haven't vanished in a puff of logic by now? It's a pretty major milestone by my reckoning.
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Edited: found it, never mind…happy to see a mythic tiered blade is in the lamenters hands now…those lads will need it to save the most lives.
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Secondary thing if we want to research automata (and All-X may be the best time), we can use this (hopefully) preparatory turn for the AI protecting song.
Ok. My proposal.
[] Plan: Trigger and Song
-[] [Free] Activate Devouring Mechadendrite and Foretold Luminous Paths Seen, drawing Choirs from the Steam Valves while leaving 50 choirs free.
[] [Free] Consecrate In Sacred Sand (Start going through Archwan)
-[] [General] Develop The Federations'...
--[] Void Industry XV (0/1)
---[] Void Industry XVI (0/1)
--[] Medical Services X (0/1) (Mechadendrite AP)
-[] [Psykana] Sing two Songs
--[]Songs Of Progress Sung With Lessons Understood And Applied - Song III, Progress III, Wisdom I, Creativity III, Innovation I
--[] Machines Shielded Against Abberant Thoughts - Protection III, Technology III, Void III, Song III, Unity III
[] Plan: Trigger and Song
-[] [Free] Activate Devouring Mechadendrite and Foretold Luminous Paths Seen, drawing Choirs from the Steam Valves while leaving 50 choirs free.
[] [Free] Consecrate In Sacred Sand (Start going through Archwan)
-[] [General] Develop The Federations'...
--[] Void Industry XV (0/1)
---[] Void Industry XVI (0/1)
--[] Medical Services X (0/1) (Mechadendrite AP)
-[] [Psykana] Sing two Songs
--[]Songs Of Progress Sung With Lessons Understood And Applied - Song III, Progress III, Wisdom I, Creativity III, Innovation I
--[] Machines Shielded Against Abberant Thoughts - Protection III, Technology III, Void III, Song III, Unity III
... Is the chief librarian of the Lamenters really John Constantine?
The man can never catch a break, can he.
Yeah, that's fair — it's been mentioned to me before.
I kind of agree and disagree — because it's also the culmination of a 12 action megaproject (Planetmaw), a ??? amount of Psykana related actions to sing 10 songs safely to then sing a Symphony safely, and then all the other actions taken to upgrade the songs to level 3 and whatnot
But I'm also like, super biased because I proposed this a decent amount of time ago and like, tbh, I fucking hate Dev lol, I just want it done with
It is what it is though — it's not gonna happen because I'd have to convince the thread and I don't think that's going to happen lmao
I'd say maybe the Tau, but even then it's pretty unlikely because I doubt they had the Planetmaw and also had to contend with being presented as a superpower and the consequences thereof
Meaning dealing with Imperial crusades and random Space Marine fuckery, more serious Ork fuckery, Eldar nonsense, Chaos nonsense, etc
They also don't have our psychic tradition, and we would not be where we were without our Choirs
We're in the "fortunate" state that we've mostly dealt with manageable crises and surrounded by micro states, instead of the 50 pound gorilla of an un-Rifted Imperium periodically smacking it