What should your focus for the rest of the Quest be?


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So, just Built Evil, insane obligate sentient carnivores because food alone doesn't sate their hunger, but they somehow lasted long enough to be spacefaring despite that.
Close. They could get physical nutrition out of meat, but their species also needed to consume souls, if a tiny portion, to be mentally sated. So they were fine body-wise, but their minds...
 
Close. They could get physical nutrition out of meat, but their species also needed to consume souls, if a tiny portion, to be mentally sated. So they were fine body-wise, but their minds...

Ooof, just your standard 40K Bad Guy Alien race then, as opposed to the "Funny friend-shaped" ones we've otherwise encountered, where there's no peace possible because they're biologically incapable of making it?

Anyway, looks like the New Horizons thing backfired because there's an actual power in the weird patch, but I was one of the ones saying it wasn't needed so I guess it is what it is.
 
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Ooof, just your standard 40K Bad Guy Alien race then, as opposed to the "Funny friend-shaped" ones we've otherwise encountered, where there's no peace possible because they're biologically incapable of making it?
Oh, they are. But when the ones you are making peace with are the only way you could stop being hungry then you kinda...don't.
 
[ ] Plan: Get In My Belly Ashan!
-[ ] [Free] Switch back to New Dawn
-[] [General] Ministry of Subversion, Infiltration, and Interstellar Communication
--[] Formal Exchange Of Dipomatic Contacts
---[] Black Ash Clan

--[] The Family Buy-Out (1/2)
--[] A Debt-Born Alliance With Eternity
-[] [Military] Knights Noble And Righteous


Mostly capitalizing on everything that just went down last turn, and getting our footing under us. If it turns out that the Black Ash Clan is still listed in error, I'll do something with that. Actually, while we can't generate free General AP on Research, can we spend free General AP on Research @HeroCooky ?
 
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Oh, they are. But when the ones you are making peace with are the only way you could stop being hungry then you kinda...don't.

So if our egg heads and Choirs poke at the DNA/souls/whatever what are they going to find? Was it natural evolution, a bioweapons program someone lost track of, one of the four or their daemons fucking around for shits and giggles, do we have to worry about Bile coming around to check of a old side project?

I assume there is no way to purify the species, this seems like it had to do with more then the DNA.
 
Honestly if things are stabilizing a little bit, I wonder whether I should do my Juvenat write-in sometime in the next few turns, start up investigations/expanded production of Juvenat in order to allow "merit" to be defined more broadly than it's had to be defined thanks to scarcity. Also increase Med Infra, because the two are probably related.
 
Close. They could get physical nutrition out of meat, but their species also needed to consume souls, if a tiny portion, to be mentally sated. So they were fine body-wise, but their minds...
If we were cynical enough to do it (and had living specimen), could we feed them people irrecoverably doomed to chaos (people who refuse doing the pentinance engine -> their souls will undoubtedly go to chaos when they die) to deny chaos the souls?

Let the birbs munch on the living chaos-doomed, taking a bit of their soul with every bite, then saving the chaos-doomed before they die, let them recover their flesh to feed the Souleater-birds again until only soulless meat remains.
 
So if our egg heads and Choirs poke at the DNA/souls/whatever what are they going to find? Was it natural evolution, a bioweapons program someone lost track of, one of the four or their daemons fucking around for shits and giggles, do we have to worry about Bile coming around to check of a old side project?

I assume there is no way to purify the species, this seems like it had to do with more then the DNA.
One interesting thing is that they derive no satiation from cannibalusm, despite practising it.

So, they have no souls, yet need to eat them. Heavily suggests they're artificial/manipulated, because why would you evolve to need a food source not present in your environment?
 
If it turns out that the Black Ash Clan is still listed in error, I'll do something with that. Actually, while we can't generate free General AP on Research, can we spend free General AP on Research @HeroCooky ?
it isn't, and no. Will clarify that.
How long does the Alliance option exist for Lords of Eternity? I assume the earlier done the better?
Yeah, after all, after this turn it will be a decade since the entire war ended.
So if our egg heads and Choirs poke at the DNA/souls/whatever what are they going to find?
If they had done that, and had unlocked Symphonies, you would have understood that the veil around their homeworld's was a bit too thin, which led to them being influenced by the Warp more and shaped to require souls to nourish themselves.
If we were cynical enough to do it (and had living specimen), could we feed them people irrecoverably doomed to chaos (people who refuse doing the pentinance engine -> their souls will undoubtedly go to chaos when they die) to deny chaos the souls?

Let the birbs munch on the living chaos-doomed, taking a bit of their soul with every bite, then saving the chaos-doomed before they die, let them recover their flesh to feed the Souleater-birds again until only soulless meat remains.
First: Bruh.
Second: You are Icono 5, not Chaos 3, this shit would not fly for your civilization.
Third: Not how it works.
 
Ooof, just your standard 40K Bad Guy Alien race then, as opposed to the "Funny friend-shaped" ones we've otherwise encountered, where there's no peace possible because they're biologically incapable of making it?

Anyway, looks like the New Horizons thing backfired because there's an actual power in the weird patch, but I was one of the ones saying it wasn't needed so I guess it is what it is.
Ya, that was probably me being a bit greedy. Oh well, we miss out on one turn of New Dawn. I'm a bit surprised there are people living there. They were literally right next door and we have 70% scouting and didn't see them? I guess they're not spacefaring. They're not even in the Discovered Nations of the Galaxy.

Hmm should we do a dev click this turn? I know we are probably dropping at least one general action on buying out Ashan
We should definitely do 3 general actions this turn - probably something like :
1. Ashan buyout.
2. Lords of Eternity Alliance
3. Colonization? There are 4 good worlds to get and 2 hostile ones? Could 'overcoloinze' the good ones and maybe get them running faster with the colonization-focused ISC.
For the 4th action I think I'd like to do a song. I made a post yesterday about a bunch of good potential songs. I really like the idea of doing The Ways Of The Galaxy Can Be Changed - Hope Hope Progress Progress Progress because we'll sing it at level II and it seems to perfectly suit the diplomacy we're doing. Maybe it'll just give everybody a passive positive relationship increase with us or something.

I'm also wondering if we should pull our subversion away from Qo (the black Cat company), since it's projected to take 300 years, or if we double down with our other slot (which will synergize) or if we point the other slot at any of the other good one-planet worlds we have available:
1. Zetraneum, the tribal world in 621. Will probably be very fast.
2. Arcoghol, the last independent system in Macabre. This plus a colonization action plus the Ashan action gets us all of Macabre.

Though we should think about it's worth it to colonize any of the hostile worlds. @HeroCooky A few questions:
1. The 2 hostile worlds are nothing special? We just lose 4 actions worth of dev to increase our size by like 5%? No valuable resources or technology to offset their hostility?
2. If we only colonize 4 worlds instead of the 6 we could do from the ISC, will they become productive quicker? Like 80 years instead of the ~120 it's been in the past?
3. Are there any more details on the Clans who Live There? Not just what they're like, but what the 3 worlds are like? I want to know if it's worth investing any actions in them - I remember you said the worlds were connected by archeotech portals but were becoming more inhospitable over time, and I'm not sure what the paths forward are.
4. Can we change our subversion target away from Qo since it's only been 10 years? Is it still early enough we can pull out? 300 years is a long time and we've got some targets that are closer to home.
5. What happened to our Malusian subversion? Don't we get it next turn? We were subverting them and now we're not? The write-in was to change the slot that was focused on Brans to subert Qo, not the one that was subverting Malusian.
6. If we took over more of the Black Ash Clan would the cost to research the Knights fall?
 
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Yikes, no wonder they were evil, an eternal hunger for meat would drive anyone violent.

The fact that other sapient life was the only way to cause it to end makes you wonder how something like that happened. Warp curse, bio-weapon species, evolution gone horribly wrong?
My money's on them being a bio-weapon species. If it was a Warp curse they would probably be worshipping the Ruinous Powers by now. As for evolution gone wrong, a bio-weapon is far more likely to result in the condition we have seen.
 
If they had done that, and had unlocked Symphonies, you would have understood that the veil around their homeworld's was a bit too thin, which led to them being influenced by the Warp more and shaped to require souls to nourish themselves.
... Huh. Definitely seems a bit more Enslaver-lite or those Warp-native aliens than anything from Chaos.

Wouldn't be the wierdest thing though, they could've almost been Kroot 2.0.
 
If we were cynical enough to do it (and had living specimen), could we feed them people irrecoverably doomed to chaos (people who refuse doing the pentinance engine -> their souls will undoubtedly go to chaos when they die) to deny chaos the souls?

Let the birbs munch on the living chaos-doomed, taking a bit of their soul with every bite, then saving the chaos-doomed before they die, let them recover their flesh to feed the Souleater-birds again until only soulless meat remains.

Meh. I think the better and more palatable option would be to use them as slave-soldier janissaries used to keep Ork infested worlds you don't want to exterminatus under control. Orks are an ethical source of renewable flesh and souls, after all.

Still pretty skeevy. Not something we could fix without large scale soul alterations, even if our society wanted to do such a thing it would be out of our tech range right now.
 
If they had done that, and had unlocked Symphonies, you would have understood that the veil around their homeworld's was a bit too thin, which led to them being influenced by the Warp more and shaped to require souls to nourish themselves.
Right, symphonies. I've wanted to make a symphony theorycrafting post for a little while, based on the things we know about symphonies. They're basically like super-songs and represent us getting even better at psykana stuff. We need 10 songs to unlock them, and to string together 5 to actually make one.
You need 10 to learn about them, at least 5 to make one.
The thing about symphonies is you chain together 5 songs to make one, so those songs should be of a theme. They take one action to make, and mixing a song that doesn't fit into them is a bad idea, as we've seen with some of our song ideas.
4. Yeah, as you described.
We have 8 songs:
Dirge for the Innocent - Denies souls to Chaos.
Bound To The Stars - Enables your Choirs to act as akin to a bad Navigator.
A Web Of Song - Interstellar Communication.
A Glint of Genius - Bonus research.
Turn Their Eyes Away - Hide a city.
Break Your Chains - Rousing a revolution.
Diverting Power - Blocks hostile psykana.
The Devouring Mechadendrite - Bonus Development.

So I'm thinking we want to sing a development symphony, we have 3 songs that are good for it - A Web of Song, A Glint of Genius, and The Devouering Mechadendrite. An argument could be made for Bound to the Stars, but it's about protecting and navigating through the warp, not communication, progress and development.

Bottom line: We should sing 2 more songs soon to unlock symphonies, and they should both be development-focused songs. I'm thinking
The Ways Of The Galaxy Can Be Changed - Hope II Hope II Progress II Progress II Progress II
Progress Through Means Bright - Technology II, Progress II, Creativity II, Hope II and Innovation
 
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1. The 2 hostile worlds are nothing special? We just lose 4 actions worth of dev to increase our size by like 5%? No valuable resources or technology to offset their hostility?
2. If we only colonize 4 worlds instead of the 6 we could do from the ISC, will they become productive quicker? Like 80 years instead of the ~120 it's been in the past?
3. Are there any more details on the Clans who Live There? Not just what they're like, but what the 3 worlds are like? I want to know if it's worth investing any actions in them - I remember you said the worlds were connected by archeotech portals but were becoming more inhospitable over time, and I'm not sure what the paths forward are.
4. Can we change our subversion target away from Qo since it's only been 10 years? Is it still early enough we can pull out? 300 years is a long time and we've got some targets that are closer to home.
5. What happened to our Malusian subversion? Don't we get it next turn? We were subverting them and now we're not? The write-in was to change the slot that was focused on Brans to subert Qo, not the one that was subverting Malusian.
1. They spawn their SAGs at Elite level. Which...*gestures at your massive amount of SAGs* may just be something you will debate over in quality vs. quantity.
2. Yeah.
3. Basically Deserts/Savannahs that are inhabited by kinda-Mad Max-esque Clans that migrate between the only livable places and use Archeotech Portals to travel between the worlds, systems, and settlements in micro-seconds.
4. Yeah, you can.
5. Oops, forgot. Fixed!
So what Knight classes and weapons do we have access to for production and reverse engineering?
That is already noted in Research.
Is this action like all the diplomatic programs we have ever had(horizon, Econ integration and all?) cause if so damn take it

Edit: also the Black Ash Clan intro is no longer there?
Yes. And you just literally dueled them over a world. Introductions are likely not needed. :V
 
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