"while". Also, there should be a comma after "ISD".
"have". Also, there should be a comma after "reality".
"hard"
"whether"
should be a comma after "would"
"Whether"
Something is redundant here, and I'm pretty sure it's "showing".
Star Wars An Officer and a Traitor (NO SV, you are an Imperial Officer and Traitor)
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SO @Magoose were those two post supposed to be thread marked or no?
Did we really roll a nat 100 on that? And with the omake bonus as well? WTF!??!?!?!
Does anyone know the term for a report on a potential combat plan of attack? I have a couple of ideas for omakes but I for the life of me can't remember the term at all!
Barondoctor
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Wargame? Strategy? If you're referring to a particular flow from a particular set of circumstances, that's more along the line of tactics. It depends on what direction you're looking from.
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Could be a number of words you're looking for, like scheme, strategy, approach, tactical plan. tactics or plan of attack itself.
Magoose
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On break, my day off from writing
In my head the omake bonus is just our wife's political maneuvering in the back ground helping us out.
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I mean, not all of it, but some of it.
Also the fact we crit succeeded on the doctrine war is probably a mixed bag lol, after all the Tarkin doctrine was one of the few things that allowed the rebs to fight back at all. With a more mixed and balanced system they're pretty screwed in space and air lol
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Well...
Not exactly. Because if Tarkin isn't making it.
The Emperor might...
And the Emperor is not a military mind.
You say that, but then the emperor will roll a 100 on new idea and suddenly put thrawn in charge of a new doctrine draft or hand it over to Yularen cause hes a trust worthy and competent man
Magoose
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The Emperor has a malus due to our... shit kicking of Tarkin and his doctrine.
Honestly, even without the Tarkin Doctrine being omnipresent, there will be plenty of Victories for the Rebs regardless. Fascist States like the Empire are inherently inefficient and riddled with incompetence and corruption. Us carving a successful niche with our own Doctrine will just make the People upstairs enlarge the Military with People following their view of things, in order to drown the sensible ones following our way out.
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What if every moff and sector follows their own doctrine? No unifying doctrine due to our actions. I think it would make certain people in the military cry.
Considering how there is a high chance he may have sabotaged the empire by encouraging more Sith-like culture...
And how the Tarkin doctrine being built around raw power and fear...
Chances are Palps will create something quite similar. For better or worse.
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I can see a more varied approach to ISD doctrine and use but considering how universally important Kuat Drive Yards is to imperial procurmant they probably have backlogs of orders for ISD's going back years, so a complete departure is unlikely, what we've probably done is publicly embarrassed Tarkin, for those in the right circles, and pulled a number of fence sitters and old guard to our sphere of influence by picking holes in his tactics and stratagems for naval supremacy.
Overall less ISD's and a couple more fighter screens in a couple sectors and more people asking us for R&D funding to replace the tie fighter with something that's actually worth the credits.
Barondoctor
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Fighter screens? DP-20 Corvettes. They're called "frigates" because some idiot can't keep ship classes straight, but at 120 meters, they're definitely a corvette.
Seriously that thing is the most hilarious piece of Corellian Brutalist engineering I've seen.
It's a quick brick bristling with guns covered in layers of armor and shielding that is half crewed by gunners.
I want it to be a CEC signature and I want us to have 20.
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfZhxLUoXJw
They're cheap too; ~5m credits to a Venator's 60m.
They exist to bully fighters and surprise the daylights out of anybody fool enough to think it can't punch way way up.
Seriously that thing is the most hilarious piece of Corellian Brutalist engineering I've seen.
It's a quick brick bristling with guns covered in layers of armor and shielding that is half crewed by gunners.
I want it to be a CEC signature and I want us to have 20.
Video:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfZhxLUoXJw
They're cheap too; ~5m credits to a Venator's 60m.
They exist to bully fighters and surprise the daylights out of anybody fool enough to think it can't punch way way up.
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Honestly thinking of the fallout.
I suspect the Tarkin Doctrine, or something suspiciously similar would still be one of the main doctrines. Partly because Tarkin is one of THE most influential admirals in the Empire, partly other officers ranging from political appointees to gems in the Rough like Maximilian Veers, the big designers in places like Kuat whom are invested due to designing Tarkin Doctrine ships already, Palps having a preference for such methods, and the fact that in a pit of vipers that is military office politics, having the best ship can insulate yourself from some of the dangers somewhat.
But, it is likely departures to standard imperial methods might be accelerated, with Moffs likely to start diverging from the standard, reflecting their own insights and preferences through the equipment and ships they acquire. Which may lead to Thrawn getting the backing of more fighter-focused Moffs, as there needs to be new Imperial designs to truly push their fighter corps above the rest without knife-fighting over the limited pilot poll. Though there may be side efforts to get personal pilot pipelines, which while may not be up to empire standard, would help them field more fighter-craft than the allotted pilots could.
And then, there is the very real possibility for a sort of Constantine Doctrine, where a few Imperials may seek to emulate the Moff, taking cues from his own operations and the points made when tearing into the Tarkin Doctrine. Though with how little we know, it is hard to say what exactly the theoretical doctrine would look like, especially with the chance of people coming up with their own interpretations.
I suspect the Tarkin Doctrine, or something suspiciously similar would still be one of the main doctrines. Partly because Tarkin is one of THE most influential admirals in the Empire, partly other officers ranging from political appointees to gems in the Rough like Maximilian Veers, the big designers in places like Kuat whom are invested due to designing Tarkin Doctrine ships already, Palps having a preference for such methods, and the fact that in a pit of vipers that is military office politics, having the best ship can insulate yourself from some of the dangers somewhat.
But, it is likely departures to standard imperial methods might be accelerated, with Moffs likely to start diverging from the standard, reflecting their own insights and preferences through the equipment and ships they acquire. Which may lead to Thrawn getting the backing of more fighter-focused Moffs, as there needs to be new Imperial designs to truly push their fighter corps above the rest without knife-fighting over the limited pilot poll. Though there may be side efforts to get personal pilot pipelines, which while may not be up to empire standard, would help them field more fighter-craft than the allotted pilots could.
And then, there is the very real possibility for a sort of Constantine Doctrine, where a few Imperials may seek to emulate the Moff, taking cues from his own operations and the points made when tearing into the Tarkin Doctrine. Though with how little we know, it is hard to say what exactly the theoretical doctrine would look like, especially with the chance of people coming up with their own interpretations.
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Corellian Engineering Corporation Products For the Discerning Moff Interested in Buying Local
Barondoctor
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Corellian Engineering Corporation Products For the Discerning Moff Interested in Buying Local
Esteemed Moff,
Corellia's proud shipbuilding tradition dates back to the beginnings of galactic civilization. Our products provide best-in-class capabilities at a reasonable budget. Please see enclosed the designs available upon request.
CR-20 Troop Carrier - A dropship capable of carrying two platoons of soldiers as well as enough speeders and consumables to keep them supplied until the rest of the main force catches up to them.
Detainer CC-2200 - Currently the only interdiction vessel on the market capable of projecting a gravity well to prevent a hyperspace jump or bring a ship out of hyperspace. KDY says they've been working on one, but they're probably 10 years out at least.
Vanguard heavy assault gunship - Compared to the LAAT you're familiar with, the Vanguard is bigger and badder. Compared to Sienar's Skipray Blastboat, they're more heavily armed and larger. Where those two are overgrown starfighters, these are pocket corvettes.
These are the highlights; other ships, including the Sphyrna-class corvette and the well-known CR-90 Corvette which allow for valued passengers and valuable cargo to travel in safety, comfort, and security.
Venators with DP20 escorts? Dreadnaughts with Carracks? Z-95s?
Some of the vehicles mentioned above? I think the Combined Arms Doctrine (Fighters for detection and immediate response, light ships to allow for gradual escalation, with Star Destroyers as the last hammer our foes see) could work well.
Having a local shipyard that's got competitive and comparable ships to anything out of Kuat is really nice. That might be the Constantine Doctrine: Build it yourself and think for yourself.
Esteemed Moff,
Corellia's proud shipbuilding tradition dates back to the beginnings of galactic civilization. Our products provide best-in-class capabilities at a reasonable budget. Please see enclosed the designs available upon request.
CR-20 Troop Carrier - A dropship capable of carrying two platoons of soldiers as well as enough speeders and consumables to keep them supplied until the rest of the main force catches up to them.
Detainer CC-2200 - Currently the only interdiction vessel on the market capable of projecting a gravity well to prevent a hyperspace jump or bring a ship out of hyperspace. KDY says they've been working on one, but they're probably 10 years out at least.
Vanguard heavy assault gunship - Compared to the LAAT you're familiar with, the Vanguard is bigger and badder. Compared to Sienar's Skipray Blastboat, they're more heavily armed and larger. Where those two are overgrown starfighters, these are pocket corvettes.
These are the highlights; other ships, including the Sphyrna-class corvette and the well-known CR-90 Corvette which allow for valued passengers and valuable cargo to travel in safety, comfort, and security.
Venators with DP20 escorts? Dreadnaughts with Carracks? Z-95s?
Some of the vehicles mentioned above? I think the Combined Arms Doctrine (Fighters for detection and immediate response, light ships to allow for gradual escalation, with Star Destroyers as the last hammer our foes see) could work well.
Having a local shipyard that's got competitive and comparable ships to anything out of Kuat is really nice. That might be the Constantine Doctrine: Build it yourself and think for yourself.
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Agreed, afterall there aint one doctrine that may be effective in all situations. You might have limited docking, harder logistics, etc that would make one doctrine non effective. Having moff build it themselves for situation there in would work out quite well, with it hopefully ensuring an effective fighting force within the sector, and distribute ship bulding. With many moffs needing shipsz filling up Kauts queues it would require moffs to look to other contractors for ships. It could result in Correlia and Rendili rising again as major producer of quality miltary vessels, afterall miltary contracts are quite lucrative. Meanwhile moffs in outer rim, or other far off places could use smaller yards or worlds for their ship building needs. This could result in quite economic boom, with shipbuilding industry drastically expanding, leading to people on major ship buildings worlds (like us) to get quite the profit
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Eh, the Venator isnt really that workable a class when it comes to its job of being an assault carrier. It is still the truth that its not a class built to maintain a peace. It is purely built to fight war and so doesnt have the capacity to actually spend as much time away from resupply. And it simply does not have the capacity to be sufficiently armored to survive against modern and upcoming designs. It is in many ways a rapidly obsoleting design.
Even more importantly, Its a Kuat design. We are on Corellia.
There are faster ways to get lynched...but not many.
Corellian Engineering Corporation Products, part 2: Ending Kuat Dependence
Barondoctor
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Corellian Engineering Corporation Products, part 2: Ending Kuat Dependence
Esteemed Moff,
One of your associates mentioned you might be interested in becoming less dependent on supply shipments and repair modules from Kuat in favor of a supply chain you could more easily guarantee.
Starbolt-class Assault Carrier - Previously marketed to system defense forces, if authorized, the Starbolt could essentially take the place of a Venator in any fleet you choose to operate. Given Imperial edicts on sales of military-grade vessels, we were considering shutting down the line, but if you sought to authorize them for local use, we could restart production. Carries two squadrons of fighters and two landing craft (we recommend the CR-20 as mentioned previously, an excellent CEC product). Armed with turbolasers, ion cannons, and a tractor beam, the Starbolt can cover a variety of roles in any fleet.
Consular-class Corvette - As a veteran of the Clone Wars, you're likely quite familiar with these. The modular design allows for a variety of setups and loadouts, allowing for you to have one for diplomatic meetings and another for deadly encounters. With the ability to use the same platform, your naval personnel can become experts at getting the greatest effect out of the ship and surprising those who might underestimate it. While we have corvettes better suited to larger complements such as the CR-90 or more dedicated to warfare such as the DP-20, the versatility of the Consular-class and extremely low crew requirement can allow for it to perform a variety of utility roles within your fleet.
With your authorization, we could also design a heavy cruiser or battleship to your specifications; while this might take a bit longer, the ability to ensure the credits would go into the local economy is difficult to put a price on.
Thank you for your time and consideration
Your friends at Corellian Engineering Corporation
Esteemed Moff,
One of your associates mentioned you might be interested in becoming less dependent on supply shipments and repair modules from Kuat in favor of a supply chain you could more easily guarantee.
Starbolt-class Assault Carrier - Previously marketed to system defense forces, if authorized, the Starbolt could essentially take the place of a Venator in any fleet you choose to operate. Given Imperial edicts on sales of military-grade vessels, we were considering shutting down the line, but if you sought to authorize them for local use, we could restart production. Carries two squadrons of fighters and two landing craft (we recommend the CR-20 as mentioned previously, an excellent CEC product). Armed with turbolasers, ion cannons, and a tractor beam, the Starbolt can cover a variety of roles in any fleet.
Consular-class Corvette - As a veteran of the Clone Wars, you're likely quite familiar with these. The modular design allows for a variety of setups and loadouts, allowing for you to have one for diplomatic meetings and another for deadly encounters. With the ability to use the same platform, your naval personnel can become experts at getting the greatest effect out of the ship and surprising those who might underestimate it. While we have corvettes better suited to larger complements such as the CR-90 or more dedicated to warfare such as the DP-20, the versatility of the Consular-class and extremely low crew requirement can allow for it to perform a variety of utility roles within your fleet.
With your authorization, we could also design a heavy cruiser or battleship to your specifications; while this might take a bit longer, the ability to ensure the credits would go into the local economy is difficult to put a price on.
Thank you for your time and consideration
Your friends at Corellian Engineering Corporation
Oh, look! A Star wars quest where we are not a bloody Force user!
While I don't have much to add to the omake deluge, I would hope that our assault on Tarkin doctrine would lead to earlier creation and more widespread usage of the 2 of my favorite ships : Raider corvette and Vindicator heavy cruiser. It does make my third favorite, Bellator dreadnaught rather unlikely to show up but oh well.
While I don't have much to add to the omake deluge, I would hope that our assault on Tarkin doctrine would lead to earlier creation and more widespread usage of the 2 of my favorite ships : Raider corvette and Vindicator heavy cruiser. It does make my third favorite, Bellator dreadnaught rather unlikely to show up but oh well.
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