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Star Wars An Officer and a Traitor (NO SV, you are an Imperial Officer and Traitor)

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Magoose said:
Everyone on the ship, everyone under your command even, knew you loved your wife, more than anyone in the galaxy… Save
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Save who?

Magoose said:
the way in which I gain my position,
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"gained"

Magoose said:
Who were these assassins trained from? The Academy?
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"by"?

Magoose said:
What do you say to Tarkin?:
[]Write in
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I kind of feel like bringing up the Malevolence and how it was a strike team of bombers that crippled its main weapon, whereas a bunch of capital ships would've been target practice for it.

Magoose said:
[]Political Prominence: You have risen to the occasion and you have been rewarded greatly for your efforts. (All rolls will gain an additional +20 permanently. Will be able to create the Empire's New Doctrine next turn and in the following turns. All Imperial Trust Actions, if you choose the Imperial option, will now give triple the bonus. Taking rebel options now gives no suspicion points.)
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Holy freaking SHIT, that's powerful! I am extremely tempted to take this, however...

Tabascoheath said:
I'm not certain we want the entire Imperial navy to follow our doctrine, we are planning to rebel Afterall, and letting the navy follow Tarkins fuck ups anyway might be a better idea.

TLDR, Tarkin doesn't read supply reports and letting him fuck up the broader Imperial navy might be a good thing.
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This is a very good point, so with that in mind...

[X] Plan: Tarkin Can't Count
 
[X] Plan Emperor incumbent

The question is, do we prefer to weaken the empire so it's easier to take down in general, or empower our PC to take it down himself. I know what I prefer.
 
Tabascoheath said:
My reasoning here is simple, there simply aren't enough sailors to run every ISD that tarkin wants. Period. Every single Imperial I class Star Destroyer had a crew compliment of 37,000, around a fourth of which were officers, by comparison the Profundity, a Mon Calamari Cruiser, had a crew compliment of 3,335. This disparity is simply untenable for the Imperial Navy, and by taking the Officer Corp option we can ensure there are a large number of flag officers who know this and are now amenable to more republican sentiment's politically
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Well there would be if the Empire itself wasn't horribly racist, classist and sith like to where it would lead to a shortfall of recruits that they could Ill afford to piss off.

Basically the Tarkin Doctrine from a man power perspective cannot be justified for the manpower requirements alone. It requires the whole galaxy not only the human sectors, be willing to chip in, and support it.

Which Papa Palps has failed to do at every level.
Tabascoheath said:
TLDR, Tarkin doesn't read supply reports and letting him fuck up the broader Imperial navy might be a good thing
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INB4 Tarkin, before he gets court martialed says he cannot comprehend supply charts.

Or worse yet he seethe and says we're right.
JAGwin said:
I kind of feel like bringing up the Malevolence and how it was a strike team of bombers that crippled its main weapon, whereas a bunch of capital ships would've been target practice for it.
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… you would think that, but clearly Tarkin hasn't done his homework on clone wars battles.

Otherwise he would have seen through his arrogance and say "Shit"
JAGwin said:
Holy freaking SHIT, that's powerful! I am extremely tempted to take this, however...
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Indeed.
Randino Treviani said:
The question is, do we prefer to weaken the empire so it's easier to take down in general, or empower our PC to take it down himself. I know what I prefer
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That is for you to decide.

But remember, power hates a vacuum, and we should be careful not to give the military too much political power
 
Magoose said:
Basically the Tarkin Doctrine from a man power perspective cannot be justified for the manpower requirements alone. It requires the whole galaxy not only the human sectors, be willing to chip in, and support it.
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That and the constant production of Imperial derivative designs meant that resources that would have gone towards civilian production meant that instead of a more robust economy they got a whole bunch of ships that they cant crew, and inevitable got staffed by rebels after the war. (where they weren't scrapped anyway). Tarkins main problem though is that his doctrine hyperfocus's the economy on the military industrial complex at the expense of every other industry in the empire, all these Star destroyers and attendant vessels, the wonder weapon projects that Tarkin and Thrawn encouraged, and bloated military apparatus mean that no matter what they do, the wider empire suffered. All that money going into military factories, secret or otherwise, don't benefit the general populace.

What could have been a massive investment and industrialization campaign in the outer rim, instead became a moon sized battle station that got blown up by a farm boy turned space wizard, and then they did it again, and all they managed to do was blow up one planet and shoot any and all civilian good will toward the empire. Because Tarkin, and the emperor as it was his plan first, did not fully comprehend that carrying a big stick and threatening to hit people with it does not mean that your going to get a complacent populace, what it does get you is a very large pool of secret insurrectionists and rebels to fight against the guy that blew up a fucking planet, and not just some uninhabited backwater but one of the most recognizable and politically important planets in the entire galaxy. These idiots managed to do more for rebel propaganda than the rebels ever could, what absolute morons.
 
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The only Imperial superweapons that I think had merit are the Torpedo spheres and the Ionic ring ship. The Torpedo spheres because they're literally just a space station with a bunch of missiles. And the Ring ship because its a freaking weather dominator and despite the cartoonish supervillainy those do have civilian applications.

Do note that the Ring ship is Legends only.

Magoose said:
Well there would be if the Empire itself wasn't horribly racist, classist and sith like to where it would lead to a shortfall of recruits that they could Ill afford to piss off.
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In Legends it was explained away somewhat with the fact that the Empire used Spaarti clone cylinders and flash training technology to create cheap massed produced clones ready to be deployed right out of the vat after one year. It was also explained that these clone's were subpar soldiers compared to trained troops or Kamino raised clones, which took a lot longer. It seems to have kept them from having manpower issues when they were winning however.

And as long as we're talking manpower and logistics problems, here's something really stupid, CompForce Assault troops. You see The Empire had two ground militaries the Imperial army and the Stormtrooper corps. But Papa Palpatine decided he needed a third military just in case one or the others decided to rebel so he created CompForce. Run by COMPNOR it had two branches. one was basically "military advisors" to spy on his officers. And the other was the CompForce Assault branch who's only training prerogative was undying Loyalty to Papa Palpatine

Well believe it or not, it turns out having a bunch of political fanatics and hardliner nutjobs with no oversight in charge of training your soldiers is a bad idea. Because they focused on political indoctrination and "weeding out the weak" instead of making proper soldiers. Only Tweleve percent make it through training with Twenty percent dying! It say's something when the Official motto for the Assault branch is "Two die for every one that gets through" So you had suicidality loyal but extremely crappy soldiers. And to top it all off, all the other branches Canonically hate their guts because they're full of themselves and take resources and funding away from other branches.
 
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[X] Plan: Tarkin Is His Own Punchline
-[X] "If you don't already know, and you're about to have an aneurysm asking, I shudder to think of what it would do to actually tell you. Just make sure you're sitting down for the Senate hearings. Wouldn't want you to fall when your reputation takes a nosedive."
-[X]The Imperial Senate is Empowered

A stronger and more unified resistance will make leaving the Empire easier and generates a lot more checks on the madness in the Empire; we're making a big splash here but I'd like to get the ground under us before make things wild again.
 
Tabascoheath said:
What could have been a massive investment and industrialization campaign in the outer rim, instead became a moon sized battle station that got blown up by a farm boy turned space wizard, and then they did it again, and all they managed to do was blow up one planet and shoot any and all civilian good will toward the empire. Because Tarkin, and the emperor as it was his plan first, did not fully comprehend that carrying a big stick and threatening to hit people with it does not mean that your going to get a complacent populace, what it does get you is a very large pool of secret insurrectionists and rebels to fight against the guy that blew up a fucking planet, and not just some uninhabited backwater but one of the most recognizable and politically important planets in the entire galaxy. These idiots managed to do more for rebel propaganda than the rebels ever could, what absolute morons.
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Just remember kids, any idiot who thinks that its a good idea to not develop or grant freedom to the civilian industry in return for an extreme command military industrial complex is either an idiot or a sith.

Or both:V
wabbitking said:
In Legends it was explained away somewhat with the fact that the Empire used Spaarti clone cylinders and flash training technology to create cheap massed produced clones ready to be deployed right out of the vat after one year. It was also explained that these clone's were subpar soldier compared to trained troops or amino raised clones which took a lot longer. It seems to have kept them from having manpower issues when they were winning however.

And as long as we're talking manpower and logistics problems, here's something really stupid CompForce Assault troops. You see The Empire had two ground militaries the Imperial army and the Stormtrooper corps. But Papa palpatine decided he needed a third military just in case one or the others decided to rebel so he created CompForce. Run by COMPNOR it had two branches. one was basically "military advisors" to spy on his officers. And the other was the CompForce Assault who's only training prerogative was undying Loyalty to Papa Palpatine

Well believe it or not, it turns out having a bunch of political fanatics and hardliner nutjobs with no oversight in charge of training your soldiers is a bad idea. Because they focused on political indoctrination and "weeding out the weak" instead of making proper soldiers. Only Tweleve percent make it through training with Twenty percent dying! It say's something when the Official motto for the Assault branch is "Two die for every one that gets through" So you had suicidality loyal but extremely crappy soldiers. And to top it all off, all the other branches Canonically hate their guts because they're full of themselves and take resources and funding away from their branches.
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Jesus, and I thought the IJA and IJN feud was fucking insane.

Now I have a new bar to hold for incompetence for my dear mind.
Barondoctor said:
A stronger and more unified resistance will make leaving the Empire easier and generates a lot more checks on the madness in the Empire; we're making a big splash here but I'd like to get the ground under us before make things wild again.
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Just remember, the Rebel allience militarily will be weaker.

Just something to remind you all.
 
Come to think of it, @Magoose, is there any chance we can help the Rebellion build a new Malevolence? I don't know what the logistics behind it are, but considering the Empire's subpar at best fighters and over-reliance on capital ships, I imagine it would be very effective against them.
 
[x] Plan: Tarkin Can't Count
- [x] "Your bland failure to understand Asymmetric warfare, partisan actions, and simple logistics. I've spent my entire time here reviewing your doctrine Tarkin, and you seem to think of any insurrectionary force as inspired by present weaknesses in the imperial navy while also fearful of the same aspects you wish to expand upon. Do you really think that building more Imperial's will cow potential rebels into subservience? That they wont fight back with whatever second hand equipment they can get their hands on to disrupt supply lines, production centers, and recruitment efforts? The mere existence of a Naval strike group isn't enough to break a rebellion Tarkin, you need the crew to run it too."
- [x] The Officers Corps Split: There was now a variable wedge in the Officers Corps, between the Constantinests, as they were called, and the Tarkinists, the men who supported the Tarkin Doctrine. Something that has created friction between many officers and their subordinates (Sets Loyalty of all officers in the Imperial military, not Emperor Loyalists, or Die, Hards, to 0. Meaning they are much easier to sway towards rebellion, sedition, and republicanism.)
 
JAGwin said:
Come to think of it, @Magoose, is there any chance we can help the Rebellion build a new Malevolence? I don't know what the logistics behind it are, but considering the Empire's subpar at best fighters and over-reliance on capital ships, I imagine it would be very effective against them.
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... Well there is another unfinished Subjagation class out that was kept in reserve during the war that was unaccounted for after the defeat of the Separatists?

So maybe? :V
 
JAGwin said:
Come to think of it, @Magoose, is there any chance we can help the Rebellion build a new Malevolence? I don't know what the logistics behind it are, but considering the Empire's subpar at best fighters and over-reliance on capital ships, I imagine it would be very effective against them.
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I'm not sure the rebels could use it effectively, they used smaller and faster capital ships while utilizing extremely far ranging fighters and bombers to maintain a galaxy wide guerilla war, building an outdated superweapon is probably a bad idea just from a military perspective, getting actual production for it up and running will no doubt catch some eyes.

Now modernizing the Recusant and Munificent is something I can get behind, or rather taking the design principles and applying them to modern ship frames. Recusant squadrons preying on imperial shipping and Munificent filling out rebel ship yards in the mid rim would be a wonderful sight indeed.
 
Magoose said:
... Well there is another unfinished Subjagation class out that was kept in reserve during the war that was unaccounted for after the defeat of the Separatists?

So maybe? :V
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The rebels did modernize a leftover Providence to decent effect but they didn't use it much for the same reason as above, but if we update the line ship designs from the CIS the rebel alliance would be golden.
 
[x] Plan: Tarkin Can't Count
- [x] "Your bland failure to understand Asymmetric warfare, partisan actions, and simple logistics. I've spent my entire time here reviewing your doctrine Tarkin, and you seem to think of any insurrectionary force as inspired by present weaknesses in the imperial navy while also fearful of the same aspects you wish to expand upon. Do you really think that building more Imperial's will cow potential rebels into subservience? That they wont fight back with whatever second hand equipment they can get their hands on to disrupt supply lines, production centers, and recruitment efforts? The mere existence of a Naval strike group isn't enough to break a rebellion Tarkin, you need the crew to run it too."
- [x] The Officers Corps Split: There was now a variable wedge in the Officers Corps, between the Constantinests, as they were called, and the Tarkinists, the men who supported the Tarkin Doctrine. Something that has created friction between many officers and their subordinates (Sets Loyalty of all officers in the Imperial military, not Emperor Loyalists, or Die, Hards, to 0. Meaning they are much easier to sway towards rebellion, sedition, and republicanism.)
 
[x] Plan: Tarkin Can't Count

We can shore up ideology later.
Need more guns in the near future.

Edit: But it couldn't hurt for this to win.
[X] Plan: Tarkin Is His Own Punchline
 
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[x] Plan: Tarkin Is His Own Punchline
- [x] "If you don't already know, and you're about to have an aneurysm asking, I shudder to think of what it would do to actually tell you. Just make sure you're sitting down for the Senate hearings. Wouldn't want you to fall when your reputation takes a nosedive."
- [x] The Imperial Senate is Empowered
[x] Plan Emperor incumbent
- [x] "Tarkin, you seem to have grasped nothing from the Clone wars or your own families brushes with warfare in the past. After all if you had you would realize that a fleet of gunboats with no supporting elements can be outmaneuvered or destroyed easily by unorthodox tactics, smaller highly maneuverable small craft formations or simply avoided and their supply lines and supporting infrastructure defeated in detail.
- [x] Political Prominence: You have risen to the occasion and you have been rewarded greatly for your efforts. (All rolls will gain an additional +20 permanently. Will be able to create the Empire's New Doctrine next turn and in the following turns. All Imperial Trust Actions, if you choose the Imperial option, will now give triple the bonus. Taking rebel options now gives no suspicion points.)
 
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