Skitterdoc 2077

Unless its Taylor saying "Your countrymen are kind of dicks" that has you upset? Because I mean, that's an in-universe observation about the Scavs and obviously has nothing to do with modern politics here in reality. Like I'm genuinely confused why you would even think that it is in the first place?
 
Unless its Taylor saying "Your countrymen are kind of dicks" that has you upset? Because I mean, that's an in-universe observation about the Scavs and obviously has nothing to do with modern politics here in reality. Like I'm genuinely confused why you would even think that it is in the first place?

There are events going on in eastern Europe that are the likely cause of their gut reaction.

This isn't the place for it though, so I'm gonna leave it at that.
 
I was going to make the joke obvious by having the Scav doctor wake up and be like "I'm Belorussian too, you ass!" But I thought that would be too much and make it too obvious.

As an American hermit who lives in the middle of nowhere I honestly didn't get the feeling there was a joke. At least not one I'd ever really understand. Of course my personal demographic isn't every reader. :cool:
 
There are events going on in eastern Europe that are the likely cause of their gut reaction.

This isn't the place for it though, so I'm gonna leave it at that.
Oh I know, but this is a story in an alternate timeline that isn't connected to our world at all. That's where my confusion comes from, equating a fictional story in a fictional setting to real life things is... strange to me.
 
As an American hermit who lives in the middle of nowhere I honestly didn't get the feeling there was a joke. At least not one I'd ever really understand. Of course my personal demographic isn't every reader. :cool:
I guess the American equivalent joke would be like two hillbillies from slightly different towns being like "what do you mean?! I'm not from Crackerville, I'm from Crackerton! We'e 10 miles away, and totally different!"
 
Unless its Taylor saying "Your countrymen are kind of dicks" that has you upset? Because I mean, that's an in-universe observation about the Scavs and obviously has nothing to do with modern politics here in reality. Like I'm genuinely confused why you would even think that it is in the first place?
My claim is precisely that the world of the author - transferred the state in the real world - as part of the canon. Whereas according to the canon, the USSR did not even collapse.

As an American hermit who lives in the middle of nowhere I honestly didn't get the feeling there was a joke. At least not one I'd ever really understand. Of course my personal demographic isn't every reader. :cool:
I didn't get that feeling either. And I'm living in Western Europe right now.
 
Yeah. In 2077 I kept walking past tons of things that looked like they'd be worth a lot, but just walking by not taking it because I couldn't actually interact with anything.

If I had the ability to loot everything not nailed down... I would. 100%. Nothing left behind. I actually have a really hard time in survival games due to my loot goblin behavior.

Loot Lust, sometimes it's an annoyance, other times........it's a killer:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldUHSa6-bMo

:p
 
My claim is precisely that the world of the author - transferred the state in the real world - as part of the canon. Whereas according to the canon, the USSR did not even collapse.
I'm very specifically trying to avoid even thinking about the state of the real world, especially that part of it, at the present time much less include it in my writing.

Sir, I do not know when you immigrated, but it seems to me that you accept the views characteristic of a purely immigrant environment - as general.
I don't even know what that means.
 
I guess the American equivalent joke would be like two hillbillies from slightly different towns being like "what do you mean?! I'm not from Crackerville, I'm from Crackerton! We'e 10 miles away, and totally different!"
Or for me when I say I'm from a rural town in West Virginia and people ask me how far Richmond is from there.
My claim is precisely that the world of the author - transferred the state in the real world - as part of the canon. Whereas according to the canon, the USSR did not even collapse.
Uh, you realize while the USSR is still a thing that like the US states, each Union Republic is still its own 'State' within a greater Union. Thus, Union of Sovereign Soviet Republics. (USSR) So having tensions and rivalries amongst the 'States' of the USSR is a thing in Cyberpunk-verse, and the Soviet Republic of Belarus is separate from the Soviet Republic of Russia. Something true of our past USSR, and the Neo-USSR of Cyberpunk.
 
Wow, this was a big one, felt like 3 chapters.

About time Taylor gets test subjects to play with.
 
Well, to avoid the continuation of this political derail apparently caused by what seems to be a user being vastly oversensitive...

@SpiraSpira

Taylor has magic Kiroshi eyeballs, which all come with a face protection system. Even the common Mk. 1s that Viktor sells for the price of literally fucking nothing come with that function. The EYESGIVEUSEYES don't protect from being tracked down through non-facial clues, like skin colour, equipment, clothes, auditory clues and so on, but they DO make facial recognition impossible.

Well, unless you do it the Renaissance way by personally drawing or painting someone's picture, but that doesn't save you, unless your target kindly waits for you to draw them or you know them so well you have completely memorized their face.
 
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Well, to avoid the continuation of this political derail apparently caused by what seems to be a user being vastly oversensitive...

@SpiraSpira

Taylor has magic Kiroshi eyeballs, which all come with a face protection system. Even the common Mk. 1s that Viktor sells for the price of literally nothing come with that function. The EYESGIVEUSEYES don't protect from being tracked down through non-facial clues, like skin colour, equipment, clothes and so on, but they DO protect the face very well.
I thought about that but how would that work with other optic type implants? It's not like she goes around and nobody can see her face. Ergo, I suspect that it only works on things the optics detects as a camera, somehow. People can take camera snaps through their optics at will, so either she would have to always be blinding everyone she saw or that functionality wouldn't work on other cybereyes, just actual cameras.
 
Great chapter as usual, tnx for sharing!

For the hmm concerned citizen, who decided to start feeling pain in lower back region, and drop a fic....i don't see any references to rl shitty situation here.
Being ukrainuan myself, there's obvious difference between Ukraine, Belarus and russia, which, as OP stated is hardly noticeable by outsiders.

Additional point to @SpiraSpira for meaningful swearing for scav gangster in russian, and for not using childish non-sense they are using in CP2077.
 
I thought about that but how would that work with other optic type implants? It's not like she goes around and nobody can see her face. Ergo, I suspect that it only works on things the optics detects as a camera, somehow. People can take camera snaps through their optics at will, so either she would have to always be blinding everyone she saw or that functionality wouldn't work on other cybereyes, just actual cameras.

While what you say would make sense, we have a canon example that seems to disprove your theory. In one of the main missions involving tracking down Evelyn, V has to watch an XBD from the perspective of a kidnapped victim being tortured to death. The XBD is in 1st Person, clearly scrolled using the optics of the user, and the torturer's face is distorted. The effect persists even when you switch to 3rd Person. So, yes, the protection appears to distort optics as well.

The much more sensible theory, in my opinion, would be that you can simply switch the function off, like all other programs. Someone with a shielded face would draw attention if they walked across a busy mall, which misses the point, but they can just disable the function until they're doing something they don't want traced. In that situation, you don't want anyone remembering your face anyway, so no problem with having people talk to distorted blue pixels. Well, unless you're so terrified of offending your partners that you're willing to risk being connected to the crime and being tracked down later to avoid doing so.

Actually, speaking of blue pixels, I could have sworn that some of the stronger enemies in the game (certain Cyberninjas and other spec-ops) have their faces distorted as you fight them, just like those Scavs in the XBD. Can someone confirm this, or am I misremembering things? Because if I do remember this right, it further supports my position.
 
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I thought about that but how would that work with other optic type implants? It's not like she goes around and nobody can see her face. Ergo, I suspect that it only works on things the optics detects as a camera, somehow. People can take camera snaps through their optics at will, so either she would have to always be blinding everyone she saw or that functionality wouldn't work on other cybereyes, just actual cameras.
There's a similar situation with the Hitman trilogy where 47 can just type a few things on any surveillance computer and it will fry itself while erasing every recordings.

In both cases excluding the obvious 'it's for brevity's sake to not complicate gameplay' I assumed that it was a built in backdoor/process put in by the big shots of the worlds who want their death squads/spies to be able to function with less hassle and to keep the population in the dark.
 
I thought about that but how would that work with other optic type implants? It's not like she goes around and nobody can see her face. Ergo, I suspect that it only works on things the optics detects as a camera, somehow. People can take camera snaps through their optics at will, so either she would have to always be blinding everyone she saw or that functionality wouldn't work on other cybereyes, just actual cameras.
I remember Vik or someone talking about why it doesn't work on Optics. Something about while Optics are cameras, they're also plugged into nerves rather than a surveillance network like cameras usually are. Which are pretty different from each other.

I mean said person was also wearing one of the Scav masks that distort faces and editing a guy's face out is something said Scavs would do anyways before putting said XBD out to market.
 
I thought about that but how would that work with other optic type implants? It's not like she goes around and nobody can see her face. Ergo, I suspect that it only works on things the optics detects as a camera, somehow. People can take camera snaps through their optics at will, so either she would have to always be blinding everyone she saw or that functionality wouldn't work on other cybereyes, just actual cameras.

Vic calls it a Lens disrupter, so presumably it would work on anything with a lens - which I assume optics also have. Anyone's guess how it works though. I'm pretty sure it's just in the game to give a reason why Arasaka isn't on you the second you step outside after the heist. Evelyn's braindance also has Birgitte's face blurred out and Judy mentions that it's some sort of encryption - though that may just be a similar effect generated by a different means.

All that said, V never sees anyone with their face blurred out, and Kiroshis can't be *that* rare so.... *shrug*
 
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Eh, I remember seeing scavs with face disruption on in game.

Generally speaking, I think this kind of thing should mostly be viewed as a setting conceit so that anyone who pisses off a corp isn't tracked down essentially instantaneously.

Like, you could have everyone in the setting just dress up in Black Bloc to do criming, but that really goes against the tone of the setting, imo.
 
Eh, I remember seeing scavs with face disruption on in game.

Generally speaking, I think this kind of thing should mostly be viewed as a setting conceit so that anyone who pisses off a corp isn't tracked down essentially instantaneously.

Like, you could have everyone in the setting just dress up in Black Bloc to do criming, but that really goes against the tone of the setting, imo.
While what you say would make sense, we have a canon example that seems to disprove your theory. In one of the main missions involving tracking down Evelyn, V has to watch an XBD from the perspective of a kidnapped victim being tortured to death. The XBD is in 1st Person, clearly scrolled using the optics of the user, and the torturer's face is distorted. The effect persists even when you switch to 3rd Person. So, yes, the protection appears to distort optics as well.

The much more sensible theory, in my opinion, would be that you can simply switch the function off, like all other programs. Someone with a shielded face would draw attention if they walked across a busy mall, which misses the point, but they can just disable the function until they're doing something they don't want traced. In that situation, you don't want anyone remembering your face anyway, so no problem with having people talk to distorted blue pixels. Well, unless you're so terrified of offending your partners that you're willing to risk being connected to the crime and being tracked down later to avoid doing so.

Actually, speaking of blue pixels, I could have sworn that some of the stronger enemies in the game (certain Cyberninjas and other spec-ops) have their faces distorted as you fight them, just like those Scavs in the XBD. Can someone confirm this, or am I misremembering things? Because if I do remember this right, it further supports my position.

I'm pretty sure those scavs use a physical device for this, like this guy:



But its plausible I suppose something similar could be built into someone's eyes I guess?


The idea that it can be triggered on and off probably makes the most sense out of anything, I'd say.
 
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I'm pretty sure those scavs use a physical device for this, like this guy:



But its plausible I suppose something similar could be built into someone's eyes I guess?


The idea that it can be triggered on and off probably makes the most sense out of anything, I'd say.

Honestly it feels a little like a solution in search of a problem. If you want to hide your face wear a surgical mask and some sunglasses. If anything it's probably *less* noticible than walking around with your face blurred out.
 
Honestly it feels a little like a solution in search of a problem. If you want to hide your face wear a surgical mask and some sunglasses. If anything it's probably *less* noticible than walking around with your face blurred out.
Yeah. I remember reading that there is this sweater that is carefully designed to defeat the current algorithm that identifies a person in most cameras, therefore it defeats facial identification technology that China uses for example. i was like: 'Ok, they're going to patch the cameras in a couple of months and then detect this sweater specifically and then send anyone who wore it to outer mongolia or whatever the China equivalent of Siberia is.'

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Invisibility cloak

 
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Yeah. I remember reading that there is this sweater that is carefully designed to defeat the current algorithm that identifies a person in most cameras, therefore it defeats facial identification technology that China uses for example. i was like: 'Ok, they're going to patch the cameras in a couple of months and then detect this sweater specifically and then send anyone who wore it to outer mongolia or whatever the China equivalent of Siberia is.'

hackaday.com

Render Yourself Invisible To AI With This Adversarial Sweater Of Doom

Ugly sweater season is rapidly approaching, at least here in the Northern Hemisphere. We’ve always been a bit baffled by the tradition of paying top dollar for a loud, obnoxious sweater that …

Having followed this in RL, I can confidently tell you that it's always been an active fight between those trying to ID people and those trying to trick AI into not ID'ing people. It's an arms race, each time someone figures a trick, it only lasts until the next update (However long that is).

It's still best to completely cover your head if you don't want to be identified. And even then you can sometimes be ID'd from a bad angle or forgetting something like "This was a custom T-Shirt that only sold 4 times" (That happened once)


It's why I rather like that in 2077, they had electronic devices to do that. You'd need to keep changing the tricks all the time, how better than to stop AI from ID'ing people than with another AI? :p
 
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