Renascence: A Homura Quest
- Thread starter Higure
- Start date
- Crossover Fantasy Mystery
Higure
Witch of Faith
- Location
- The Golden Land
It seems like they want you to pick someone Contracted with Kyubey. You can probably smuggle Sayaka in, but you can't know how that will go over.
- Location
- Somewhere
I still think a higher ambition for the spell would be better. We want a spell that doesn't run the risk of not being up to snuff, as it'll just mean more work down the line to try and improve it. Better to set an ambition to heal Homura's heart to the same standards as a normal person, so we'll know the DCs and research we need in what categories now. Otherwise, we'll spend time thinking we are healed enough only to have our heart suddenly weak when we don't want it to be, wasting time.
EDIT: And a new vote based on Higure's feedback and my own thoughts on the Ambition.
[X] Plan: Foreign Relations
[Investigative Actions: 2]
-[X] Unknown Caller (0/100)
-[X] The Military Magi
[Social Actions: 1]
-[X] Snow
[Home Actions: 2]
-[X] Training: Help Sayaka Train
-[X] Training: Melee
--[X] With Miho Miki
[Mission Actions: 1]
-[X] A Royal Invitation (Will involve leaving Mitakihara for several days. The crown is providing a private jet.)
--[X] Oriko
[Creative Actions: 1]
-[X] Research a Theoretical Spell
--[X] A Spell to more permanently heal Homura's Heart
--[X] Ambition: 9
[Training Actions: 1]
-[X] Train a Skill
--[X] Magical Theory
---[X] Kyouko
[Sleep Actions: 4]
-[X] Train a Skill
--[X] Development
-[X] Sleep
-[X] Sleep
-[X] Sleep
EDIT: And a new vote based on Higure's feedback and my own thoughts on the Ambition.
[X] Plan: Foreign Relations
[Investigative Actions: 2]
-[X] Unknown Caller (0/100)
-[X] The Military Magi
[Social Actions: 1]
-[X] Snow
[Home Actions: 2]
-[X] Training: Help Sayaka Train
-[X] Training: Melee
--[X] With Miho Miki
[Mission Actions: 1]
-[X] A Royal Invitation (Will involve leaving Mitakihara for several days. The crown is providing a private jet.)
--[X] Oriko
[Creative Actions: 1]
-[X] Research a Theoretical Spell
--[X] A Spell to more permanently heal Homura's Heart
--[X] Ambition: 9
[Training Actions: 1]
-[X] Train a Skill
--[X] Magical Theory
---[X] Kyouko
[Sleep Actions: 4]
-[X] Train a Skill
--[X] Development
-[X] Sleep
-[X] Sleep
-[X] Sleep
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Crow
Falling is a Pleasure. Regardless of its Fate
I at least want to shore up first for a day or two. And since we'll be unavailable for various days...Oriko is the best option to bring with tentatively but we cant just leave Yuma out to dry. Even if Kirika is left to look out for her...well, she's Kirika. So.
At least let Yuma recuperate a bit.
We should also finish what we started with the Yamato.
And the more we know about ourselves and the discrepancies the less surprised we can be once we take the Royal Invitation. Getting some more clues from the False Memories action may prove useful before jumping into the mini-turn.
...Now a thought. Does Homura have nice threads to dress to impress on the invitation? Thats very important. Really.
At least let Yuma recuperate a bit.
We should also finish what we started with the Yamato.
And the more we know about ourselves and the discrepancies the less surprised we can be once we take the Royal Invitation. Getting some more clues from the False Memories action may prove useful before jumping into the mini-turn.
...Now a thought. Does Homura have nice threads to dress to impress on the invitation? Thats very important. Really.
Higure
Witch of Faith
- Location
- The Golden Land
A brief exchange of texts with Nanoha reveals that she doesn't have a means of personal teleportation in her arsenal at this point in time--she's depended on Yuuno and other allies for that in the past, and the foreign nature of this universe would complicate things further on top of that.
Crow
Falling is a Pleasure. Regardless of its Fate
[X] Plan: Shoring Up
[Investigative Actions: 2]
-[X] Miyazaki Books [Kyouko]
-[X] False Memories (0/200)
[Social Actions: 1]
-[X] Snow
[Home Actions: 2]
-[X] Training: Help Sayaka Train
-[X] Training: Melee
--[X] With Miho Miki
[Mission Actions: 1]
-[X] Go Shopping for clothing, you're going to need a darn good tailor if you're going to a Royal Court. As they say good threads are as good as armor in this particular battlefield.
-[X] A Book for Magical Development, a Book for Socialize, and a book for Research.
--[X] Mami and Madoka
[Creative Actions: 1]
-[X] The Restoration of the Yamato (387/500) [Ruki]
[Training Actions: 1]
-[X] Train Social
--[X] Request - Mami, Madoka, Kyouko
[Sleep Actions: 4]
-[X] Train a Skill
--[X] Research
-[X] Sleep
-[X] Sleep
-[X] Sleep
Honestly Mami, Madoka and Kyoko seem to be hanging around together today so why not grab them for the actions with each other anyways? is that automatic or does it need to be specified?
For Ruki I believe completing the Yamato together will serve as a bonding experience rather than just letting her finish it on her own. Its significant and important.
And we should at least prepare, as Homura's going to be particularly out of her element in that Royal Invitation so we need take due precautions. Said precautions being to arm herself well.
With drip.
[Investigative Actions: 2]
-[X] Miyazaki Books [Kyouko]
-[X] False Memories (0/200)
[Social Actions: 1]
-[X] Snow
[Home Actions: 2]
-[X] Training: Help Sayaka Train
-[X] Training: Melee
--[X] With Miho Miki
[Mission Actions: 1]
-[X] Go Shopping for clothing, you're going to need a darn good tailor if you're going to a Royal Court. As they say good threads are as good as armor in this particular battlefield.
-[X] A Book for Magical Development, a Book for Socialize, and a book for Research.
--[X] Mami and Madoka
[Creative Actions: 1]
-[X] The Restoration of the Yamato (387/500) [Ruki]
[Training Actions: 1]
-[X] Train Social
--[X] Request - Mami, Madoka, Kyouko
[Sleep Actions: 4]
-[X] Train a Skill
--[X] Research
-[X] Sleep
-[X] Sleep
-[X] Sleep
Honestly Mami, Madoka and Kyoko seem to be hanging around together today so why not grab them for the actions with each other anyways? is that automatic or does it need to be specified?
For Ruki I believe completing the Yamato together will serve as a bonding experience rather than just letting her finish it on her own. Its significant and important.
And we should at least prepare, as Homura's going to be particularly out of her element in that Royal Invitation so we need take due precautions. Said precautions being to arm herself well.
With drip.
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- Location
- Somewhere
I'm...not actually sure that we get social with Ruki here. Maybe on the day the Yamato is completely restored, but the evidence seen from Higure is contradicting.
EDIT: And I might be an idiot. Because of different formatting and same XP goal, I saw the Ruki social roll as an restoring Yamato roll. Still some contradicting evidence as I do not recall us having any other social experiences with Ruki, yet we somehow gained 20 social between updates.
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Higure
Witch of Faith
- Location
- The Golden Land
I'll look into it tonight. Probably a typo gone awry. Thanks!
- Pronouns
- They/Them/Their
So about that... Ruki's +40? That's including the Teamwork Bonus of 5 * Social Link with Homura. So on her own, Ruki would only be rolling with a +15. With it at 387/500, Ruki has a 3% chance of finishing it on her own today, an 66.79% chance of finishing it on her working today and tommorow, and a 95.2095% chance of finishing it on her own working today, tommorow, and the day after. Day 4 puts the chance up to over 99%. For comparison, if Homura and Ruki work together today but not the day after, the chances are my aforementioned 85% chance for today, and over 99% for her to complete it the day after. Homura helping out today is essentially cutting two or three days off the time for Ruki to complete the Restoration of the Yamato. The power of friendship is mighty indeed.
There are other benefits to Homura staying in Mitakihara today as well. We can spend our Mission action for today picking up some books to help with Magical Development, Socialize, and Research. The first two we just don't have books for at the moment, and the second in particular because I believe it could be used to help both Mami and Homura in training their Socialize, and the last because we're now on the last charge for A Guide to Basic Research and Information Analysis. 1st Ed. Honya. This... actually somewhat leads into my plan. We are also still well stocked on Grief Seeds for the moment.
Finally, the letter from the Crown indicated that we would be welcome until May 1st. As Crow commented, getting nice clothing could also be something worth doing.
[X] Plan: Packing And Preparation
Investigative Actions: 2
-[X] Miyazaki Books [Kyouko]
-[X] False Memories [0/200]
Social Actions: 1
-[X] Snow
Home Actions: 2
-[X] Train Melee with Miho Miki
-[X] Train Melee with Sayaka
Mission Actions: 1
-[X] Go Shopping
--[X] A Book for Magical Development, a Book for Socialize, and a book for Research. Nice clothing for meeting with English Royalty, if Homura doesn't have any.
Creative Actions: 1
-[X] Restoration Of The Yamato (387/500)
Training Actions: 1
-[X] Train Social
--[X] Request - Mami, Madoka, Kyouko
Sleep Actions: 4
-[X] Sleep
-[X] Sleep
-[X] Sleep
-[X] Train Research
Of note, I suppose, is the fact that this plan has Homura requesting Mami, and Madoka, and Kyouko to all her help her with Social training. Why the sudden emphasis?
We are going to be talking with, if not literal King Arthur, people who run a government. Being able to make friends during that time, and in particular possibly chat with Clovis Britannia and/or The King, seems an investment well worth our time. In addition, letting our close friends know that we might be doing something of the sort feels like the right thing to do.
This raises the other question of who would go with us on the mission. With it being multiple days in length, I suspect that Homura will have access to a different group of people while in London. This primarily means that whoever comes along with Homura will be her Social Link from home.
-Sayaka isn't actually a Puella Magi, and I do not think that Homura and Sayaka will be capable of fooling any party who takes an interest in them on that front. On the other hand, she requested to be our bodyguard. She is a wild card for this Mission, all things considered. We would also have to explain to Miho Miki exactly why she is going with us.
-Kyouko, as we know, is a remarkably sharp individual. Her Investigation and Research are both quite good, and she's no slouch in a fight. However, her social graces do leave something to be desired. I consider her a fairly low risk option all together. Bringing her with us would prevent potential bonding with Yuma, and I'm not a fan of that.
-Mami, as we have recently found out, get's by on formal manners among other things. She is also excellent when it comes to Magical Development. In a fight, she is probably the closest competition Homura currently has in terms of Marksmanship. I can't think of any downsides to bringing her along off the top of my head?
-Oriko is a precog, and for all that gives her advantages, I don't see it helping here. For one, this situations feels like one where her vision of the future would be clouded due to Outside Context Influence. For two... Bringing her and not Kirika feels like a recipe for disaster.
-Repeat everything I said for separating Oriko from Kirika except with their names swapped, and you've got Kirika.
-Ruki is a good girl, and dragging her away from the unfinished Yamato feels cruel. However, if we can finish the Yamato before heading out, she is an excellent supporter. It would involve her breaking the news to her Dad as well, to explain her sudden absence from Mitakihara.
Otherwise, I'll probably vote for Plan: Shoring Up.
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- Somewhere
I would like to know where you're getting some of these numbers and traits from. I haven't actually seen any social link bonus to restoring the Yamato or heard of it from the rules explanation, and the Teamwork Bonus is new to me. If I am somehow right and those bonuses are non-existent, than you're math is off as Ruki has a +40 by default instead of a +15. This means that even if she rolls a 1, she has a 100% chance to finish the Yamato in three days on her own and something closer to a 90% chance of completing it in two days. I should mention that last number was something I just guestimated based on the idea that she rolls around between 15 and 20 inclusive each time and not an actual calculated estimate, and presumes that Ruki has a flat +40 normally. If it is a +15 normally and only +40 due to traits that require Homura's presence, I am obviously wrong in those estimates.
One of the major reasons I am against spending time in Mitakihara instead of jumping on this Royal Invitation right now is I'm a bit worried it'll get lost with whatever we find by investigating our memories or Miyazaki Books or that Unknown Caller. The Unknown Caller quest is a great example of how this works. No one is interested in investigating it right now and it feels like this will only be investigated much much later when we're looking at a pile of 1000+ progress projects and there's little old Unknown Caller sitting there still unstarted at 0/100. Is that what will actually happen with Unknown Caller? No idea. But at the moment it's setting a precedent where we just ignore a hook because everything else feels like more of a priority. Another precedent for that is Yuuko's shop, which we have yet to revisit. Granted this makes a bit of sense with us not being sure what we want to get out of that visit, but it's still something we put to the back burner and have since ignored.
You guys are making great points about wanting to prepare for this trip, needing to give Oriko time to establish Yuma, not wanting to pull Ruki away from an unfinished Yamato, Sayaka not being a "Contracted" and thus not actually invited, and just wanting to make sure we have a certain minimum rating in Social for an important meeting with the Royal Court. But Higure has stated, in character if I'm recalling correctly, that we need to take risks to achieve our Golden Ending and there's only so much we can do to prepare before it becomes something that is forgotten because it's always on the back burner.
So in short, @catDreaming, where did you find those bonuses to create those numbers? @Crow are we sure we're not setting our trip to Britain up to be on near permanent back burner? I'm willing to change my vote, but I want to make sure my own concerns that are making me vote as I currently am are being heard first and kept in mind first.
Higure
Witch of Faith
- Location
- The Golden Land
Congrats, you are the first person to beat me with my own system rules! Well done!
Yeah, I completely forgot about the Teamwork Bonus, because I added that mechanic about 8 months ago.
Going to look into it and see if it makes more sense to go back and add the progress, or cut the mechanic, or both.
- Pronouns
- They/Them/Their
I've been comparing the numbers in the updates with the Informational Post detailing the Fleeting Time system. It's literally the third post from the top under Informational, and here is a link to it: Renascence: A Homura Quest
In addition, since Higure mentioned that they had forgotten the Teamwork Bonus so far, I'll need to redo my math to incorporate the bonus should they elect to keep the Teamwork Bonus a son a part of the system.
Higure
Witch of Faith
- Location
- The Golden Land
Alright, I've elected to just cut that mechanic. It wasn't a bad idea, but global bonuses get weird with how some DCs differ--a bonus of 50 from a maxed Social Link is fine for Training, for example, but is massive for Investigation--the scaling dice rolls for requested help based upon Social Link level are enough to encourage building SLs, alongside the more abstract benefits and direct rewards from leveling up SLs, I think.
Also, "he/him," since it came up. I don't care overmuch, but "they" always gets a doubletake, so yeah.
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- Pronouns
- They/Them/Their
Gotcha, I'll adjust my math for the lack of tesmwork bonuses from here on out. I'll also keep your pronouns in mind from here on out.
Once I've got a moment on my laptop, I'll adjust my planning post(either by edit or by a new post) to account for the absence o for Teamwork Bonus.
Crow
Falling is a Pleasure. Regardless of its Fate
You make an excellent point. in fact if I may, I'll steal your plan and add it to mine to consolidate. I forgot to ask how much shopping we can actually do in a go.
Well not quite since it does seem another Precog is involved, and the best of ways to counteract one precog is with the help of another precog. Not to mention Oriko's particularly suited to such diplomacy.
Mami is an option but she's still fragile and in the situation we're going in it'll be a tad like working a ship with two captains. Mami is not used to playing second fiddle and her Ruler charisma would try to assert itself in that situation to be useful.
Kyoko's reliable in the sense she's got your back if things go south, but doesnt much help to avoid things going south.
Sayaka and Madoka are not exactly options thanks to school, parents and not being contracted.
I understand your worries, but as it is one of the starting big commitments here at least preparing properly before investing days of time and resources into it makes sense. Ideally I'd want to shore up our social graces more to not fall into any mines lying around. But timing decides that we can only last minute cram it all.
As I said, one or two days and then we go in. And having the Yamato ready to go is a damn good trump card to have in case something does go wrong.
Lastly do not underestimate the power of drip.
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- Somewhere
I'm afraid this is my first encounter with this particular phrase. Could you explain it?
Higure
Witch of Faith
- Location
- The Golden Land
Drip is apparently modern slang for "fashion" or "style" or something thereabouts.
- Pronouns
- They/Them/Their
Okay, so, Higure said that the Teamwork Bonus is no longer part of the System. This changes my math somewhat.
Homura working together with Ruki today has an 85.69% chance of completing the Yamato today, and would leave Ruki with well over a 99% chance of completing it on her own tomorrow. Ruki working on her own today has an 28% chance of completing the Yamato today, and a 95% chance of finishing it on her own tommorow.
This means that Homura contributing today doesn't have much impact tommorow, but it does considerably raise the chances of it being completed today.
As far as shopping goes... @Higure , is there a strict upper limit on how much shopping Homura can get done in a single mission action?
Homura working together with Ruki today has an 85.69% chance of completing the Yamato today, and would leave Ruki with well over a 99% chance of completing it on her own tomorrow. Ruki working on her own today has an 28% chance of completing the Yamato today, and a 95% chance of finishing it on her own tommorow.
This means that Homura contributing today doesn't have much impact tommorow, but it does considerably raise the chances of it being completed today.
What do you think about possibly bringing Ruki along, in the case that we can complete The Yamato before heading out of Mitakihara?
As far as shopping goes... @Higure , is there a strict upper limit on how much shopping Homura can get done in a single mission action?
Higure
Witch of Faith
- Location
- The Golden Land
Not particularly, as long as you're not buying anything absurdly pricey.
Also, Homura may just buy additional things at her discretion.
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- They/Them/Their
Alrighty then, since my plan and Crows are basically the same at this point:
[X] Plan: Shoring Up
[X] Plan: Shoring Up
- Location
- Gainful Employment
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- He/They
I am sorry to inform you that I almost always just default to they/them for everyone, and will probably have forgotten that you are male within a week.
In regards to Britain trip plans, taking Ruki sounds good to me.
- Location
- Somewhere
[X] Plan: Shoring Up
- Pronouns
- They/Them/Their
Alrighty then. I realized that it would probably be convenient for us to have some record of all last known bonuses and/or Skills for characters (though I doubt it will be anywhere near complete) for characters other than Homura. Finally, I'm also going to make an assumption here. In any case where Homura get's a +50 bonus from training with someone else, I'm going to assume they are counting as a Study Partner. In any case where Homura get's a +100 bonus from training with someone else, I'm going to assume they are counting as a Teacher. The difference between these terms, laid out in Fleeting Time - The Renascence Turn System, is as follows.
Yes, it's a gigantic link to the post in question, but it's also the relevant info.
Training Resources
Skill Books grant a small bonus to Training Actions, but have a finite number of "charges" per book, after which the book is expended.
Libraries work as Skill Books, but have far more charges, representing the many books within.
Teachers provide a significant training bonus, which varies between Teachers, as long as their student's Skill Bonus is less than or equal to theirs.
Study Partners act as Teachers, but offer a much smaller bonus. A Study Partner's Skill Level can be up to 15 levels lower than the person they're assisting and still offer a bonus. Notably, a Training Action that uses a Study Partner allows both participants raise their Skill Level.
Thus, if Homura get's a +100 bonus from just training with someone else, we can assume that their Skill level is at least 16 higher than Homura's was before that training session. If not, we know that their Skill level is at most 15 higher than Homura's was before that training session, and that they got a minimum of 50 progress out of the session themself.
From Monday March 21st through Tuesday March 22nd, we have the following.
Sayaka: Magecraft 12, Melee 52+?
Ruki: Engineering 40
Oriko: Magical Theory 30+
Kyouko: Investigation 10
Madoka: Socialize 40
Mami: Socialize 5-15, likely 6-15.
This also assumes that each of them was actually using the Skill in question, and it's possible that Sayaka was actually using her Swordsmanship. Even with that, we can draw some fairly helpful conclusions as to who is the best (availability allowing) for asking for help with certain training. It also allows us to determine who is likely to be able to learn from Homura the most efficiently, or who she can be a good Study Partner for.
Homura hasn't caught up with Sayaka yet that we know of, but I have a suspicion that EMIYA is giving her melee Training of some kind or another. That would explain her being so, so much better than Homura is at it. Homura, meanwhile, will only be able to be a good Study partner to Sayaka for Magecraft as long as our Healing spells are able to help out, and that's a bit of an iffy spot. Though I guess there is a slim chance that Sayaka might be able to teach Homura Magecraft at some point?
Ruki will be a Teacher for Engineering until Homura reaches Level 25 in it, which is another 12 levels away (eat your heart out 1110 progress). However, she could also be a good Study Partner for Clocksmithing (which appears to have some links to Engineering). A possible arrangement there is Training Ruki in Clocksmithing in the same turn that we Request her to help Homura Train Engineering. Could be good for preparing to advance the Akemi Clocktower Mission in the future after the London trip.
Oriko is either a Teacher or a Study Partner for Magical Theory for quite a while I imagine. When advancing your skill takes 150+ progress, it takes a while.
Madoka is a Teacher for Socialize until Homura reaches Level 25, which is another 17 levels away. That's 1360 progress. Oof.
Mami is a Study Partner for Socialize, and possibly a Teacher for Magical Development. The latter is more uncertain, but she's certainly displayed a wide range of capabilities, which suggests good spell development.
Of course, we're also probably getting more info about people's Socialize in the near future based on whatever happens with the Socialize training in Plan: Shoring Up.
Yes, it's a gigantic link to the post in question, but it's also the relevant info.
Training Resources
Skill Books grant a small bonus to Training Actions, but have a finite number of "charges" per book, after which the book is expended.
Libraries work as Skill Books, but have far more charges, representing the many books within.
Teachers provide a significant training bonus, which varies between Teachers, as long as their student's Skill Bonus is less than or equal to theirs.
Study Partners act as Teachers, but offer a much smaller bonus. A Study Partner's Skill Level can be up to 15 levels lower than the person they're assisting and still offer a bonus. Notably, a Training Action that uses a Study Partner allows both participants raise their Skill Level.
Thus, if Homura get's a +100 bonus from just training with someone else, we can assume that their Skill level is at least 16 higher than Homura's was before that training session. If not, we know that their Skill level is at most 15 higher than Homura's was before that training session, and that they got a minimum of 50 progress out of the session themself.
From Monday March 21st through Tuesday March 22nd, we have the following.
Sayaka: Magecraft 12, Melee 52+?
Ruki: Engineering 40
Oriko: Magical Theory 30+
Kyouko: Investigation 10
Madoka: Socialize 40
Mami: Socialize 5-15, likely 6-15.
This also assumes that each of them was actually using the Skill in question, and it's possible that Sayaka was actually using her Swordsmanship. Even with that, we can draw some fairly helpful conclusions as to who is the best (availability allowing) for asking for help with certain training. It also allows us to determine who is likely to be able to learn from Homura the most efficiently, or who she can be a good Study Partner for.
Homura hasn't caught up with Sayaka yet that we know of, but I have a suspicion that EMIYA is giving her melee Training of some kind or another. That would explain her being so, so much better than Homura is at it. Homura, meanwhile, will only be able to be a good Study partner to Sayaka for Magecraft as long as our Healing spells are able to help out, and that's a bit of an iffy spot. Though I guess there is a slim chance that Sayaka might be able to teach Homura Magecraft at some point?
Ruki will be a Teacher for Engineering until Homura reaches Level 25 in it, which is another 12 levels away (eat your heart out 1110 progress). However, she could also be a good Study Partner for Clocksmithing (which appears to have some links to Engineering). A possible arrangement there is Training Ruki in Clocksmithing in the same turn that we Request her to help Homura Train Engineering. Could be good for preparing to advance the Akemi Clocktower Mission in the future after the London trip.
Oriko is either a Teacher or a Study Partner for Magical Theory for quite a while I imagine. When advancing your skill takes 150+ progress, it takes a while.
Madoka is a Teacher for Socialize until Homura reaches Level 25, which is another 17 levels away. That's 1360 progress. Oof.
Mami is a Study Partner for Socialize, and possibly a Teacher for Magical Development. The latter is more uncertain, but she's certainly displayed a wide range of capabilities, which suggests good spell development.
Of course, we're also probably getting more info about people's Socialize in the near future based on whatever happens with the Socialize training in Plan: Shoring Up.
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