Crow
Falling is a Pleasure. Regardless of its Fate
Effing fukken...imma gonna turn him into a loli. See how he likes that..useless bunnycat.
Planning later. Sleep now.
Renascence: A Homura Quest
- Thread starter Higure
- Start date
- Crossover Fantasy Mystery
Planning later. Sleep now.
Maromar
Crafter of Fiction
- Location
- SpaceTime
I have no idea, hoping the hive-mind would be able to science it up.
I get the feeling that asking nicely isn't going to cut it...
May just be time to crank the shield or submit to a future life of chunky salsa. Mmmmm... salsa.
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If you're not going to even try then stay out of the discussion. Especially when we have options still. Good options at that.
Higure
Witch of Faith
- Location
- The Golden Land
Fixed. Really weird that was missing.
Maromar
Crafter of Fiction
- Location
- SpaceTime
That was a joke, I'm not not trying. My apologies if it came off that way.
Take a note from kiting 101? Aggroing Beefus Maximus and seeing if Nanoha can levi-carry us out of melee range long enough for her to get casting that dimensional shunt you were talking about. Failing the air option: have Nanoha start casting, run a certain distance under timestop when Beefus Maximus gets too close, rinse and repeat until done. Unsure if it's manageable that way, but if we can send him away, we don't really need to fight or restrain him, just not get hit while keeping him in spell range.
How far away can a target be for Nanoha to get the job done?
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RagnorakTres
Technically Correct
- Location
- A Rolled Up Sidewalk Somewhere South Of Toledo, OH
- Pronouns
- Any/All
...Do we have the USS Illinois in our Shield, still? Or did she never get around to replenishing her battleship stores after that debacle?
So I guess my best bet is to keep evading until Kyouko gets up and we can Longinus him. It sucks to keep dodging him like this, particularly when it's taking energy away, but I can't think of anything else we have access to that could penetrate his Skin. A Hayate instead of a Nanoha would be better for this fight, I think.
Progressive Knife might manage something interesting if we can maintain contact and pressure for 10 seconds. Enchantment...the way that's phrased reminds me a lot of Alteration, honestly. Can we learn Tracing, because that would be hilariously effective in concert with a capable Alteration mage. Not right now, obviously, because Heracles is a dickbag like that, but later. Can Heracles damage things frozen in Time Stop? Don't we need to be in contact...wait no, it's indirect contact. But not through air or the ground? Huh, that might be an idea...
God Killers, God Killers...Wait, he should be vulnerable to strangling or blunt force. His Skin is hilariously durable, but it's not inflexible. Apply enough torque, you might be able to snap his neck, which, while not a surefire method of killing a Heroic Spirit, would certainly impede his ability to do anything while we figure out how to actually kill him.
What is a damage "step," Higure? Is that from C to B or C to C+?
So I guess my best bet is to keep evading until Kyouko gets up and we can Longinus him. It sucks to keep dodging him like this, particularly when it's taking energy away, but I can't think of anything else we have access to that could penetrate his Skin. A Hayate instead of a Nanoha would be better for this fight, I think.
Progressive Knife might manage something interesting if we can maintain contact and pressure for 10 seconds. Enchantment...the way that's phrased reminds me a lot of Alteration, honestly. Can we learn Tracing, because that would be hilariously effective in concert with a capable Alteration mage. Not right now, obviously, because Heracles is a dickbag like that, but later. Can Heracles damage things frozen in Time Stop? Don't we need to be in contact...wait no, it's indirect contact. But not through air or the ground? Huh, that might be an idea...
God Killers, God Killers...Wait, he should be vulnerable to strangling or blunt force. His Skin is hilariously durable, but it's not inflexible. Apply enough torque, you might be able to snap his neck, which, while not a surefire method of killing a Heroic Spirit, would certainly impede his ability to do anything while we figure out how to actually kill him.
What is a damage "step," Higure? Is that from C to B or C to C+?
LostDeviljho
Flame Dragon Princess
- Location
- The glorious Pacific Northwest
- Pronouns
- Any
He doesn't, actually. Just highly resistant.
Higure
Witch of Faith
- Location
- The Golden Land
Okay...well, I've rehauled the damage mechanics a couple of times since starting the quest. As of the last iteration (hopefully the last...keep finding weird situations where things don't make sense -_-), it works pretty much like this:
Everything has various levels of "Damage." Homura's Body, for example...
Trivial (Scratches and bruising. No penalties.)
Minimal (Deep cuts or small holes. Minor penalties to physical actions, due to low-level muscle damage.)
Moderate (Wide gashes or gaping wounds. Major penalties often apply.)
Severe (Limbs are missing. Some actions are conventionally impossible.)
Catastrophic (Head and/or whole body is destroyed. Body-dependent actions are impossible.)
Her Soul Gem, though...
Severe (Cracked. Major problems.)
Catastrophic (Destroyed/Broken. She's dead, Jim.)
A Damage boosting Enchantment simply means that, IF you manage to harm them, the degree of harm will go up by 1 stage. The number of stages varies between targets, though.
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Thematically, a bullet that would normally create a clean hole would instead create a crater. A blade that would normally cut deeply would instead cut fully through. That kind of thing.
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Repeated instances of a given level of damage being caused can result in those instances being converted into a single instance of a higher damage level.
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Entropy Judge
Recurring Bouts of Misanthropy
Word of Nasu is that he just needs to recover from the damage and then he gains (ludicrous amounts of) resistance, not immunity.
... I mean, functionally speaking, for almost every case, calling it immunity works, it's just not strictly true.
Now I wonder if there are any pictures of Kyubey and Reisen ....
The grand total of Homura's arsenal:
- 1 Machine Gun (5 Clips)
- 1 Handgun (3 Clips)
- 1 Katana
In order to do it effectively, though, you'd be talking about some hilarious overkill (which might backfire) or else getting within arm's reach.
LostDeviljho
Flame Dragon Princess
- Location
- The glorious Pacific Northwest
- Pronouns
- Any
Still sounds like waiting for/getting Kyouko awake and making a Spear is our best chance... maybe with an Ego enchantment applied? Unless that'll make it Excaliblast half the city or something.
If nothing else it'll probably pin him long enough for Nanoha to shunt him out of here.
RagnorakTres
Technically Correct
- Location
- A Rolled Up Sidewalk Somewhere South Of Toledo, OH
- Pronouns
- Any/All
I guess we could try to time stop him with his mouth open and then stab up into his brainpan with the ProgKnife? We'd probably lose the hand, but that's hardly as much of an impediment to a Puella Magi as it is to most other creatures. We need to start thinking about our body as an expendable resource; our Soul Gem is really the only irreplaceable thing we have.
We could also try to Enchant him with sapience, though that might make him more dangerous rather than less (picture Lancelot). Or we could try to Enchant him with weakness? Brittleness? "Negative" attributes.
We could also try to Enchant him with sapience, though that might make him more dangerous rather than less (picture Lancelot). Or we could try to Enchant him with weakness? Brittleness? "Negative" attributes.
Crow
Falling is a Pleasure. Regardless of its Fate
Bad for sanity...and do you really want to put your hand in Heracles mouth? I certainly wouldn't.
Also pfft. Funkmaster Lance is a lil boy with a stick compared to sane Herc. Herc is a really fucking scary guile hero.
Sane him would use one hundred shooting heads and we can greet our new life as less than dust.
Maromar
Crafter of Fiction
- Location
- SpaceTime
Hm. Can we drown him? Timestop, dig a sufficiently deep hole/around under him and fill it up with water in the absence of something more preferable like tar or acid?
Pretty sure running until we find more workable ground for this won't be too much of an issue.
Pretty sure running until we find more workable ground for this won't be too much of an issue.
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RagnorakTres
Technically Correct
- Location
- A Rolled Up Sidewalk Somewhere South Of Toledo, OH
- Pronouns
- Any/All
Want to? No. Recognize the need? Probably.
We're not getting out of this without losing something. Recognizing that fact is probably the first step to solving this problem. We have a Heroic Spirit chasing us down. Even if we get away, there's no guarantee that he won't be back at the worst possible moment. We can't be hoarders about our resources, particularly not in this kind of situation.
And grenades are too big and would take too much time to set-up.
I don't think the enhancements would work. First off, they're... well "Enhancements" as in make stuff better. We can probably overcome that easily. But he is magical, which means there will be a resistance. One I'm not going to bet on us overcoming.
Nope. 1 EE/Grief per second, not worth it in the least.
And this is Nasu-verse Herc. Just... super-speed ballerina that could pulp our entire body by tagging us. Who could jump 50+ feet straight up in the air from a relaxed stance in under a second. And you think a pit of tar could hold him?
We have to periodically use time-stop plus be running at our max enhancement just to keep ahead of the guy.
We have a perfectly valid, and likely to work, idea as it is. We just need to get Kyouko to wake up.
Crow
Falling is a Pleasure. Regardless of its Fate
Okay so options! We probably would not be able to outrun him with the two megucas on our back but we cant kill him without em. So how about a retreat to say a construction site and face him there? He can barrel through the obstacles sure but our smaller frame should allow us maneuravibility that a flat battleground would not give us.
And we might be able to use it to our advantage with some inventive use of enchantment...
Then we would have to hope we can stall him/kill him long enough so the megucas get up. Specially Kyoko or have Blueberry get a shounen power up with dat sword or Nanoha to suddenly know how to make internalized contained black holes on the throats of bronze behemoths.
I know its not ideal but picking a battlefield that may tip ever so slightly our chances might be the best bet as things stand...
What do you think?
And we might be able to use it to our advantage with some inventive use of enchantment...
Then we would have to hope we can stall him/kill him long enough so the megucas get up. Specially Kyoko or have Blueberry get a shounen power up with dat sword or Nanoha to suddenly know how to make internalized contained black holes on the throats of bronze behemoths.
I know its not ideal but picking a battlefield that may tip ever so slightly our chances might be the best bet as things stand...
What do you think?
Entropy Judge
Recurring Bouts of Misanthropy
Thinking of pulling a Saber? I'm just thinking about how that fight went down .... Hm, depending on where we are, best bets might be the trainyard (where Sayaka fought Elsa Maria), or maybe the Industrial area of Kazamino? Where is that map ...? *yoink*
Ah, or maybe the Windmills? But whichever gets picked is probably going to have more to do with where we are right now.
Nah, bronze behemoths have their weakness in their heel. /Medea reference
Not sure I like the idea of gambling on a 'hope something good happens,' but ... well like you say - situation's not ideal. There isn't much we can do, especially since, IIRC, we still don't actually know what he's after. Would suck for us to put someone down on the assumption that he's gunning for us only to have him switch targets.
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
I think we are better off if we simply lose him for the time being, cause are team is not ready to kill him yet.
Higure
Witch of Faith
- Location
- The Golden Land
Yeah, during Kyouko's segment. The reinforced chains got snapped.
Steelhooves
Star Paladin
- Location
- Maripony-Damn it.
Depending on how God Hand handles it, it might blind him but when he regenerates it we won't be able to do that again or it would be nullified in the same manner as other attacks. The problem being that his eye's are small targets that will be regenerated very quickly due to the regeneration being based on wound size. That is my two cents.