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No. It is much bigger. Ever wondered why OTL Baby Boomers look so crazy and irrational nowadays? It is not only thanks to their old age. Their brains and mental faculties are degraded thanks to inhaling leaded gasoline right up till the late 1960s.
I think you might be overstating the impact somewhat. If only because not every Boomer was exposed to exactly the same level of lead vapour and not everyone has the same threshold past which damage starts to occur, not to mention the fact that most of the worst cases of lead-induced brain damage are almost certainly dead. Leaded petrol sure as hell didn't help, but it was a long way from being the only factor in creating the present unpleasantness.

And the OTL Boomers who do look crazy and irrational (which is not all of them: Bernie Sanders, Jeremy Corbyn and Bill Nye are Boomers, remember?) are that way because the world doesn't work the way it did when they were young and they can't -or won't- adjust their thinking to match.
 
(which is not all of them: Bernie Sanders, Jeremy Corbyn and Bill Nye are Boomers, remember?)
Actually. One is a Silent Generations, another is from the UK and not US. Only Bill Nye is a US Boomer and he is more like the exception confirming the rule. And I was talking about US Boomers. Why US and Boomer Gen? Because the US had the greatest amount of cars post-war. Leaded petrol using cars.
 
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you know i'm fairly certain that there's probably deeper structural causes to these things because lead isn't the hate plague from transformers
 
It struck me as odd that limousines would be a personally owned object... wouldn't the citizens of TTL be self-aware enough to recognize that automobiles aren't a status symbol, but are a tool?
What I'm getting at is, wouldn't limousines be the property of one of the Directorates rather than personal property -- meaning a representative of the people would get use of a limo rather than actually own it?
 
It struck me as odd that limousines would be a personally owned object... wouldn't the citizens of TTL be self-aware enough to recognize that automobiles aren't a status symbol, but are a tool?
What I'm getting at is, wouldn't limousines be the property of one of the Directorates rather than personal property -- meaning a representative of the people would get use of a limo rather than actually own it?

I am certain that "private use" does not necessarily mean "private ownership". After all, even with a capitalist system, companies can lend company vehicles for personal use.
 
I figure most vehicles are part of a military, co-op or governmental motor pool and are issued based on need. You sign out for them at the beginning of the day or shift and return them at the end. You may get a vehicle on a extended basis based on your type of duty.
 
Imagine having communal limousines tho
Why not? No reason you couldn't run a limo service as a worker-owned cooperative. Especially since the UASR will probably only break out the truly fancy ones for ceremonial occasions while everyday business is conducted with something much more low-key, so there's no reason ordinary folk couldn't be allowed to hire them for weddings, graduations and the like the rest of the year.
 
Imagine having communal limousines tho
It's not that different from the limousine rental. And believe it or not, in larger Soviet cities one could rent a limousine for a wedding. The Soviets being the Soviets (I'm speaking of the 70-80s), I can only guess through what bureaucratic paperwork one had to go and what wheels to grease, but wedding limos stopping by a scenic overlook near my home are a childhood memory for me.

On the other hand, it's easier for me to imagine an ordinary person from the UASR to rent for the occasion a bus (to get on board as many comrades as possible) or to outfit a parade float (same as the above with a bonus of going creative and/or making a statement) rather than a limo (to show off exactly what?).

All in all, I can't exactly see the limousine having a future in the UASR. These cars were designed to underline the servile status of the driver, and it wouldn't go well with the Socialist American sensibilities. I would imagine that in the vast majority of the cases, they would be used for the visiting foreign dignitaries when there's no way to skirt that part of the diplomatic protocol.
 
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I figure most 'limos' would just be larger sedans for foreign visitors and government work with security/communications upgrades. Seeing one would be the same as seeing a Movie Star IOTL.
 
It just came to me that a) if things go as intended, every case of what can be labeled as 'representation expenses' (not just for the national and republican government, but for the municipalities and cooperatives, too) will be closely and heavily scrutinized by the Workers' Inspectorate and the citizen activists, so (again, if things are working as intended) people will soon learn to think twice before making a phone call to the public garage; and b) most of the top brass of the UASR at the moment have no entrenched upper middle (or just upper) class habits and attitudes (being driven around in a personal car included). As a result, I would expect quite a few People's Secretaries and Deputies to drive their own cars or rub shoulders with ordinary citizens in the buses, streetcars, and trains on a routine basis.
 
Before we get too ahead of ourselves in imagining upper level politicians taking transit and going around with the hoi polloi we should remember that the UASR is a superpower and as such it isn't necessarily safe or advisable for important members of the government to be in crowded places without access control. Like, I get where the anti-elitism argument comes from, but these are people who have legitimate assassination concerns.
 
Before we get too ahead of ourselves in imagining upper level politicians taking transit and going around with the hoi polloi we should remember that the UASR is a superpower and as such it isn't necessarily safe or advisable for important members of the government to be in crowded places without access control. Like, I get where the anti-elitism argument comes from, but these are people who have legitimate assassination concerns.
Indeed, there are good and bad reasons to want officials to avoid mingling too much with the public.

Elitism is obviously a bad one, security concerns, on the other hand, are quite good ones.
 
Also, I think most here are ignoring the utility of limos as a place for doing work on the move, when one cannot rely on trains or planes.
 
America's Favorite Pastime After the Revolution
Take Me Out to the Ballgame
Excerpt from "The Encyclopedia of American Sport: 1789-1998", 1999 (DeLeon: Cultural Revolution Press)

Major League Baseball (Pre-Revolution)


[...]
The 1919 World Series, between the Chicago White Sox and the Cincinnati Reds, would soon embroil the entire game in scandal. Eight White Sox players, including Chick Gandil, "Shoeless" Joe Jackson, Buck Weavil, and Lefty Williams, were indicted in a plot to throw the World Series on behalf of a consortium of gamblers led by gangster Arnold Rothstein. The "Black Sox Scandal", as it was termed by the press was front page news in the midst of the Bienno Rosso, and the outrage landed squarely on Major League Baseball's failure to prevent it.

As inquiries were made into the increasing connection between gamblers and players and grand juries convened to investigate the players involved (whereupon the eight players were convicted), the team owners, already dissatisfied with the conduct of the National Commission [ruling body of Major League Baseball, consisting of the Presidents of the National and American Leagues and a chairman] made a play to heavily reform the system. Albert Lasker, Chicago business and minority stakeholder in the Chicago Cubs, proposed to replace the Commission with another three-person panel with people who were unconnected financially with baseball. The plan gained the backing of National League President John Heydler, and it was accepted by the owners, on the condition that there be a strong figure among the three to lead the Commission. After going through several candidates, including former President William Howard Taft, the new Commission would consist of former Vice President and Secretary of Navy Theodore Roosevelt, federal judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis, and, as the leading strongman of the Commission, General John Joseph "Black Jack" Pershing.

Pershing was a war hero in the Spanish-American War, which allowed him to rise through the ranks of the US Army, and in 1914, he was tapped to lead the American Expeditionary Forces in Europe, becoming the supreme commander of American forces during World War I (and was promoted to General of the Armies, the highest position possible in the US Army). The owners argued that, with the moral decay of the game exemplified by the Black Sox Scandal, that the only person who could whip it back into shape was a General, especially the man who led America into victory during the war.

Pershing agreed, though with the stipulation that he also maintain his duties as General of the Armies for his time in active service (up to his retirement in 1925).

Pershing's first order was to formally ban the eight players convicted in the Black Sox scandal from participating in Major League Baseball.

True to the intentions of the owners, Pershing then enacted a code of conduct for the players to follow. It required players to be in good physical shape through the season, to have good "moral character", and especially banned any affiliations or contact with sports gamblers. Violations of the latter two were grounds for ban from the Major Leagues permanently.

[...]

The Roaring Twenties would see the rise of heavy-hitters, whose record-shattering hits would fit the exuberance and excess of the era. With the new rule changes with regards to the ball (making it easier to see), the number of home runs would increase. Players like Lou Gehrig (of the Yankees), Hank Greenberg (Detroit Tigers), and Roger Hornsby (St. Louis Cardinals) would take full advantage, racking up records never before seen. Towering above them was George Herman "Babe" Ruth, of the Boston Red Sox. His record 714 Career Home Runs (including 60 Home Runs in a single season) made him one of the biggest stars of the 1920's. His larger-than-life persona both on and off the field made him a perfect fit for the period.

[...]

With the slow dismantling of Jim Crow laws in the 20's, the issue of integration would soon reach Major League Baseball, which had an unofficial color line since the 1880's

Pershing was partial to integration, having led a segregated regiment in the 1880's (his nickname was a reference to that) and implemented de facto integration in the Army during the First World War, but the issue was delayed until 1929 (likely due to the opposition of fellow Commission member Kennesaw Mountain Landis), when the Commission announced that teams can now scout among the Negro Leagues.

The results of this were seen almost immediately, with former Negro Leaguer Satchel Paige pitching the St. Louis Cardinals to victory in the 1930 World Series.

[...]

Dynamo League

The Dynamo League were the baseball clubs operated by various unions affiliated with the socialist movement between 1922 to 1933.

Inspired by the Soviet Dynamo clubs, they were operated as part of larger sports clubs for union members, open to the general community as well. The first Dynamo club opened as the Vulcan Sports Club by the Steelworkers' Union in Pittsburgh in 1922. Slowly, it spread to other cities, and eventually, to other unions throughout the country.

The various sports clubs would eventually organize leagues and tournaments that would counter the capitalist sports leagues, and friendly competition, focused on more solidarity and fitness than capitalist promotion.

As a contrast to the capitalist Major and Minor Leagues, the Dynamo Leagues were largely run by the players, as a subsidiary of their respective union. They would play on local fields or rent out stadiums from the Minor Leagues.

As a counter to the World Series, the International Series was first held in 1924, with the main teams being the Steelworker Vulcans and the Textile Hardshirts.

[...]

Major League Baseball (post Revolution)

Pershing decided to stay neutral during the Civil War, declining an offer by his one-time protege Douglas MacArthur to join the White forces.

Shortly after the war ended, Pershing and Roosevelt (Landis was arrested for his actions against anti-war activists during the First World War) joined in a meeting with representatives of the players of various teams (now organized) and the Minor and Dynamo Leagues, presided over by the Cultural Secretariat's Secretary of Sports Nicholaas Steelink.

The meeting dealt with the future of baseball. Most of the Major League owners had fled abroad, while the players mostly stayed behind. With the new emphasis of democracy and unionization, the role of the owners would instead placed in an elected leader amongst the players, while the union (now representing Minor Leagues as well) would be the political part of the org.

Given that the various teams had become beloved institution and parts of their respective communities, dismantling the teams and the leagues was dismissed shortly into discussion. Instead, the structure of them were modified. While Pershing and Roosevelt (and as-of-yet undetermined third member) would retain their seats, if vacated, the new Commission seats (now referred to as the Troika) would be elected. The Leagues and the World Series would also open up to the Minor Leagues and the Dynamo Union Teams, and the MLB would no longer determine the terms of the game across all teams.

With this, the basic structure of Major League Baseball and of most teams remained mostly intact, and would be the only such sports league to do so. The third Commission seat would be filled by Raymond Cannon (a former ballplayer and attorney for some of the Black Sox players)

After being cancelled due to the fighting, the 1934 World Series would signal this new era, with the Detroit Tigers beating the Cincinnati Reds 4 games to 3, with the Internationale being sung at the beginning of the game instead of the National Anthem.

With the Dynamo Leagues now allowed into the World Series, the International Series was folded, its final game in 1932.
 
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Also, I think most here are ignoring the utility of limos as a place for doing work on the move, when one cannot rely on trains or planes.
Just a reminder, this paragraph below is exactly how I started this whole topic of questioning...
Why shouldn't good Red leaders be happy to be driven about (they are indeed doing important stuff, probably getting business done while on the road, and it is probably prudent for them to have some bodyguards so one of them might as well be the driver) in a car that is solidly made, reasonably comfortable, and affordable to any citizen who decides to spend their credits on a car after a decent number of years of work? Why do they need limousines? Of course the Bolshevik leaders had them...but that's not the best example to be following.

See, I acknowledged all that before objecting to the concept of a limousine as a symbol of wealth and privilege.

Why not something more like a van?

The technical stuff that came in other people's responses--essentially that prestige cars were also power cars, they needed more powerful engines because one is necessarily hauling around more mass, especially if the dang things have to be armored, and God knows I acknowledge the risk that some hired assassin sent in by Ford or MacArthur or Hitler--or even conceivably Stalin--is quite real, not to mention some clique of malcontent Yankees throwing a tantrum. It is not proof that leaders are tyrants, if they go places in armored vehicles. Granted. Therefore the division that makes the particular cars that the elite, harried, busy and targeted central organizational people ride in is one that makes more heavy duty vehicles.

Still, why not just put some cushions and a cupboard in what is basically a light armored vehicle, and base it on standard issue military kit?

Why call the things limousines, unless they are in fact identical to, or very similar to, what are called limousines in Europe and what were called that before the Depression.

It did occur to me that perhaps this document quoted was written generations after the 1930s, and in the great opulence of the 1980s or later, it pleases Reds to boast of their having every luxury the arrogant rulers of the old order boasted set them aside, and indeed as people suggested, kids borrow these things for their high school parties or for weddings or what not.

I should note I came from a background where kids renting limousines for such events was just something I never observed; I was largely exposed to the idea in TV sitcoms decades later, and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Me, I counted myself lucky if I could borrow the family van. So perhaps I just have a more distant relationship to limousines as something real people actually touch as opposed to the one percent than most people here?
 
I could see representatives of the more pro-war parties shuttling around in mobile command posts leased from the military just for dick waving purposes :V
 
So...this is difficult for me to say...but...

...*sighs*...

...greetings comrades. Is there some free space to sit down?








I am so pissed at SB right fucking now.
 
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