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OH SHIT WHERE YA BEEN?

I am digging this. I'm surprised that Althusser isn't an open Marxist (and there's no mention of Wife Murder) but I think you really get the FBU's own intellectual culture and economic system the way that a lot of people don't.
 
OH SHIT WHERE YA BEEN?

I am digging this. I'm surprised that Althusser isn't an open Marxist (and there's no mention of Wife Murder) but I think you really get the FBU's own intellectual culture and economic system the way that a lot of people don't.

Thanks! Been a bit busy with real life stuff, unfortunately...

I always imagined that the political culture of the FBU in the 1950s and early 60s would be significantly more repressive than in OTL, so I thought it would be pretty common for left-wing figures with hopes of professional advancement in the capitalist world to forswear any allegiance to Marxism. Of course, in private, the likes of Hall, Althusser, etc are mostly "revisionist" Marxists a la Bernstein. I suppose one could be an "open" Marxist in the time of detente, but I imagine that even if "coming out" was compatible with career advancement, it would still cause a lot of reputational loss, so it would be avoided by anyone hoping to exert some influence from within.
 
Pan-Europeanism (Benoist)
A little bit more FBU political craziness for y'all - this time, I really tried to capture some of the sheer wackiness and lunacy of what I think Post-War European Fascist movements might look like, though whether I succeeded is another question. I do have something a bit more wholesome cooking up on the 1970s UASR and internal debates that were going on there about American foreign policy and American "Empire" (for some reason, I feel like those questions won't entirely go away in this TL, even if the UASR is a significantly less imperial power than the United States is today). But that is taking a lot more time and thought to write than this little snippet...
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Entry from The Comintern Joint Encyclopaedia of 20th Century Political Movements, 2002

Pan-Europeanism (Benoist)

Pan-Europeanism, or the "European Movement" is a far-right political ideology which emerged in the early 1980s, primarily inside the French portion of the FBU but eventually gaining a significant number of adherents in the Imperial Deutsch Federation, the Kingdom of Spain, and the Kingdom of Portugal. Europeanism is distinguished from other movements of the post-war European Far-Right by its advocacy of Pan-European cooperation and the eventual formation of a unitary European state, as well as its populist critique of the FBU's quasi-"imperial" relationship to other West European States.

Most scholars date the beginning of the Europeanist movement to the 1978 publication of Alain de Benoist's "The European Spirit", though others point to the 1979 Marseille conference, in which his ideas were more formally institutionalized in the founding principles of the Pan-European League. "The European Spirit" was not widely read when it was published, owing largely, perhaps, to the academic discussion of different theories of racial difference which opened the text. A series of pieces written with more propagandistic intent in mind eventually were published in a number of newspapers and as pamphlets, though the ideas of Benoist and the growing entourage of right-wing intellectuals around him were most clearly expressed in the platform emerging from the 1979 conference:

"...One may define the European people as a cultural, biological, or ethnic unity, yet it remains a unity all the same. It is the Europeans' predisposition for the orderly and harmonious which distinguishes him from the other peoples of the world. There are individual variations here, of course, for when we move east toward the Rhine and Oder, we find a peoples who are more inclined toward the creative and irrational, yet by their desire to subject it to the rules of good order, they remain true Europeans nonetheless, unlike the Slavs to their East.

If we do not wish to define the European as a single species, we may at least say it is one genus, with seven great peoples belonging to it. The Scandinavians to the North embody the simple frugality and purity of the European spirit, the Germans to their south its ponderous, contemplative side. To their West, the French show us its romance with the universal and rational, admittedly at the risk of sometimes attempting to banish that darker, more irrational side of life. The Iberians to the south provide a helpful complement, for they show demonstrate the passion and zeal of the European Spirit, and the Italians to their east its creative potency. The Dutch and English, both trading and sea-faring peoples, represent that more analytical, dissecting part of the European mind.

The genius of the European race lies precisely in the close proximity in which these great peoples have been forced to live, thus mixing those qualities most representative of each race until an ideal blend has been reached. This is indeed why we may speak of not just a French, or Italian, or German spirit, but a European one. The English race, living afar from the rest on a solitary island, has been least subject to this process of mixing, and this is why they are the European race most defective in true spirituality, despite undoubtedly still being a European people. It is no coincidence that it was England which gave birth to the most parasitic elements of contemporary liberalism, and whose colonial offspring fell prey to the disease of Bolshevism. Now it is this same English race that, forsaking the familial bonds that tie the peoples of Europe together, strives to turn the proud peoples of Europe into its colonies, ruling them in the same manner it did to the primitive people of the earth, who undoubtedly did require some degree of tutelage.

The European, in the final instance a single and unitary people, is the progenitor of all that is righteous and beautiful in our modern civilization. If they are to meet their historical vocation and carry out the sacred civilizational task of eradicating bolshevism from this earth, a true solidarity between the different races of Europe is required. The only real, decisive way of making actual this solidarity is the creation of a European state, where all the races of Europe may live in true brotherhood and fraternity. A European state will ensure that it is Europe, not some distant former colony, which leads the world-wide struggle against the bolshevist menace. A European state will guarantee that the European races, naturally given to imperious assertions of dominance, maintain amiable relations with each other. A European state will have the strength, the power, the fortitude to ensure that those true European peoples who have had the degeneracy of Slavic communism imposed upon them will be liberated..."

Following the publication of the platform, "Pan-European Parties" were founded throughout the states of Western Europe, though (for fairly obvious reasons) none ever emerged in England, and they possessed no real popular support in Scandinavia and the United Kingdom of the Netherlands and Flanders. Right-wing Pan-Europeanism only constituted a significant national electoral force in the Iberian Peninsula, where the parties have cultivated a loyal, albeit small constituency of around 4-7% of the vote, prompting more mainstream political parties to raise the threshold required for representation in parliament. In Southern France and the Kingdom of Italy, the occasional Pan-Europeanist is still elected to a provincial assembly, but they do not receive substantive amounts of support in national elections. In the Imperial Deutsch Federation, though a significant Pan-European militia movement and network of social clubs eventually coalesced, electoral laws stymied any attempts at the formation of a Pan-European Party.

More recently, a number of scholars have grown interested in the potential relations between de Benoist's right Pan-Europeanism and the more centrist, liberal variety which emerged in the late 1990s. For more on this, see the entry on "Pan-European (General)".

For more on Iberian Pan-Europeanism, see "Iberian Right-wing Pan-Europeanism".
 
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Back in the UASR
(The following is a collaborative piece, initiated by me and containing contributions from myself, the Troika and others. Just imagine it being read by one of those british-sounding text-to-speech apps. Enjoy!)




Non-Americans of Nusenet, what was something about visiting or living in the UASR that surprised you?



Roadside_Picnicer:

The meat analogues. So. Many. Meat analogues.
I'm from the USSR. When I was in High School I went to visit Metropolis on a Comintern cross cultural exchange. Here in the Soviet Union we still eat meat (though not quite as much as my parents did), and that's apparently still kind of true in a lot of parts of the Republics, but in the bigger cities like Metropolis they had already been using things like tofu and tempeh since before the revolution. That was also the same year that they were introducing vat-grown meat for wider public consumption. There was even one restaurant that was run by a collective from New Afrika, and they served battered and fried cauliflower. It was amazing.

  • Frutabomba: We save the real meat for the stuff we serve at baseball games.




Guin_Of_The_Marsh:

I've lived in the UASR for about fifteen years now, but I'm originally from Nippon and my parents and I moved here when I was in my early teens. We ended up living in Athens in the New Afrikan Republic because my father was given a job as a physics professor at the university here. We'd lived in Tokyo for most of my life so you can imagine that going from the largest city in Nippon to a mid-to-large city in the Southern parts of the UASR was a bit of a cultural shock.

But what was especially surprising were the people there. We Nipponese have this international image of being a quiet and insular people, and to a certain degree that's true. But the people in New Afrika were so incredibly friendly and outgoing it was almost overwhelming. So many big smiles, so many people asking 'how are you?', 'how's your day been?', and 'You hungry? You eat yet?'.

I remember once, when I was in my Senior year of High School, some of the locals invited me to a 'truck meet'. Now, I had no idea what they were specifically talking about, but I'd heard that in the more rural parts of the UASR they would do things like 'tractor pulls' and other things involving automobiles because private car ownership was more of a thing there. But what I didn't realize is that they were actually getting together to show off all of their customized pick-up trucks; vehicles that they had not only polished and upgraded but also had covered with gaudy decorations, spoilers, etc. I suddenly realized that this was their equivalent of dekotora like from back home, but with pick-up trucks.

Oh yes, and the food. I was introduced to so many different kinds of dishes I'd never eaten before: grits (which is a kind of porridge made with maize) served with shrimp or with cheese, crispy fried chicken (not like karaage, and crispier), country ham (which was both juicy and very sweet), macaroni and cheese, mashed potatoes with brown gravy, biscuits (which are these thick bread things), and so many different kinds of fresh and pickled vegetables that it made my head spin (things like collard greens, turnip greens, mustard greens, so many greens!). Let's also just say that, once I was able to get my head around the idea of Sweet Tea, I quickly became a fan.




Wilson's_Gravy:

I'm actually British, but I'm also what they call a 'Red Nappy Baby', as my family have been involved in the ESCI since my grandparent's time. When I was in university, me and my family went on a vacation to DeLeon-Debs with a group of other ESCI and Left-Labour members and their families. This was partly a vacation and partly an educational trip, as I was studying for my computer engineering degree, so the two dates just kind of coalesced together. This was also about a year or so before the official linking between CyberSyn and Minitel went live globally.

People in the Comintern like to call DeLeon-Debs "the city of monuments", and it's true. Pretty much every major part of the city has huge, elaborate memorials, from the Temple of the Martyrs that has those statues of Lincoln, Norm Thomas and others and the various socialist realist Great Anti-Fascist Struggle memorials that were joint-ventures with Soviet sculptors (and boy does it show).

But it should also be called "The Land of Museums", because DeLeon-Debs quite possibly has some of the best museums in the world. The major one for my trip was the enormous CyberSyn museum.

Now, I had two major reasons to go there: the first was because I wanted to learn more about the Comintern's computer systems and how they were utilized (and of course its history, which is fascinating in and of itself). But I also wanted to find out how they used it in their politics. See, because direct democracy is essential to how their system works, they'd made it a major project to find ways to make voting and getting consensus quicker and more efficiently. These days, where slates are basically ubiquitous, a person in the UASR can wake up in the morning and vote for anything that needs voting on with a state-provided app. But back then, they had these enormous room-filling computer systems that required direct input from specialists whose whole job was to tabulate consensus and then enter it into CyberSyn in order to decide on things like distribution, managing, etc.

Seeing those huge, boxy computer systems that could only hold roughly 1/100th of the data I now carry in the palm of my hand made me realize just how far we've all come. What's even more amazing is that, even back then, it all worked incredibly well.




EchoFrost2006:

Born in Armenia, traveled a lot as a kid, Just moved to Anchorage to fly for Pan-Am.

I know that the cold does weird things to the mind, since every Finn, Moscovar, and Siberian I've met is living proof of that. But the Alaskan Chill must be something else, because I've never seen someone try to commit arson with Pierogi before them. Nor did I ever expect to have to avoid a speeding car while inside of a mall. Or even contend with having Polar Bears trying to attack the plane for the jet fuel.

And don't even get me started on the giant igloo in the middle of the city.

I've only been here for a week, and I do plan on staying here for the time being, so it might grow on me. But I don't think I can contend with this place as of right now.

  • Ocean_Girl: I think the real problem there is that you're in Alaska. It's one of those places that is just ripe for attracting and fostering weirdness in general. Chicago's pretty good most of the year, winters aside.]
  • KillerCheng: Alaska is an outlier and should not be considered as a baseline for the United Republics
    • MasterD: Anchorage is also an outlier to the rest of Alaska, don't consider it a baseline to anything. (Aside from some absolutely killer wild game and seafood restaurants. Ever had oolong tea-infused moose meat with spicy crowberry sauce?)
      • EchoFrost2006: That was a combination of words I never thought I'd hear. Sounds like one hell of a time.




MuckyMuck:

Seeing these different places with their own different cultures and traditions...

I'm from Jamaica, I defected here as a teenager so I could transition. Growing up on a small island, you all watch the same TV shows and read the same papers and celebrate the same holidays and eat the same food…it's all very holistic

When I first moved to Miami I was watching TV with my housemate and he told me that there was not just a TV station for the whole country, but one for the Republic of Florida and another for just Miami. I asked why they'd do all that just for the Republic or just the city and he just looked me straight in the eye and said "why do you think Florida has its own flag?"

And when I visited a friend in Metropolis, I was completely taken off guard by how different it was from Miami. It was like visiting an entirely different country from my point of view, but everyone else on the train just shrugged it off!

Of course, I'm used to it now, but I still remember getting off the train and realizing how much colder it was compared to everything I knew.

Also: Americans always love to show off their knowledge of the wider world. People always compliment my accent and talk about how much they love reggae music or beef patty sandwiches on coco bread, they really want you to know that they know all about you and your culture. It's kind of charming, to be honest.

  • KillerCheng: It certainly helps that a lot of Americans genuinely like learning about other cultures, especially considering that there's so many within an hour's train ride if anywhere.




98_Nosferatu:

I'm a Wessi. Here in Germany one of the more positive stereotypes we have about America is that it's a place where you can find virtually anything and everything from around the world. There was a Lufthansa ad a couple years back making fun of that, showing footage from different American neighborhoods which the viewer would think are from Shanghai or Mexico City but all turn out to be in Metropolis.

By contrast this half of Germany is probably one of the least culturally diverse regions of Europe, so when I visited America as an exchange student last year it was quite the shock. It's not as exaggerated of a contrast as it's made out to be here sometimes, but it's definitely a melting pot. Some politicians and other people here would complain about it, but personally I was pretty happy to try out something from every continent. My favorite was Somali tea shared by a worker from Mogadishu.

Having studied in both Cologne and Philadelphia, though… I have to say I prefer the German education system. In America the expectation was always a lot of independence and collaboration, and while I'm sure that's great for a lot of people, it really didn't work for me. Sometimes it felt like we didn't have a teacher at all lol. Getting along with other students was sometimes rough, too. At first I always felt like the quietest person in the room, and some people acted weird about me being from West Germany (at least one person made a joke about me being a Nazi, which I did NOT appreciate.) But Americans are also said to be very friendly, and I can attest to that. I made a lot of good friends that year, including an Ossi, something most people my age in Cologne don't have.




KillerCheng:

Cuban here. Defected a good while back, though that's a story for another time.

One thing that still gets me is that whatever needs to be done will be done very quickly.

For one, my immigration paperwork was basically done the day of. And that's not getting into all the other work I needed to get set up over here. On some days, I even forget that there is a bureaucracy at all.

Another thing that gets me is that there's just so much to do, see, buy, and the like. I've been getting into Rally Racing recently(Currently halfway through the Tennessee Rally atm)on top of my music production stuff, helping others out with getting settled here, and my semi-professional competition gaming side gig. Like, a career here is not about one specific field, but the wide spectrum of accomplishments, professions, passions, and even hobbies. Like, there's just so much here.

Although the architectural side does leave a bit to be desired, since a collapse at the third strangest apartment complex forced me to move to this development at a former mall, though that also led to a surprise basement just a few weeks in. Might be my own luck at play, but I digress.

Oh, and I've been enjoying the food here quite a lot, though even a slight glance at me in person would probably clue you in on that lol.




Jeremy_ClarksOff:

It's probably the sheer passion everyone has.

For the most part, everyone here does what they do with a high level of passion and enthusiasm, from the Guards, to the artists, to even the clerk at the local distribution center, and especially everyone at the party meetings. There's just so much passion for civic life.

Honestly, it's no wonder the United Republics are the way they are, when the people here are this enthusiastic about making their world better, or even just doing what they like.




BiggestBand:

There's so much weed everywhere here, and I could smell it. It was nauseous enough that I couldn't really stay for all that long. It's probably a neat place, but I doubt I could power through the smell.




Bofors:

When I was sixteen, my parents defected. What I had been told was supposed to be a vacation turned into a permanent exile. And what shocked me was the level of suspicion and mistrust I have faced.

My father claimed political asylum. But that's his business, not mine. Since I was at the 'age of reason' during the defection, I could've been convicted of offenses against the Loyalty Act if I returned.

Since my father was granted citizenship, so was I, and this has led to the revocation of my Commonwealth citizenship. I may have the same rights as any American, but I also have the same duties, which I was never prepared for. The shock from going to a public boarding school to American secondary school was life-threatening, and my peers never let me forget it. I was always the "English snob" and none of my father's socialist bona fides could change that.

And since there are no educational deferments or exemptions to the draft, I spent two years of hell in the Army, mistrusted by my peers. By the time I was through with it, I really had no more appetite for university, and so I put off education until someone finally knocked some sense into me and told me I should be designing cars instead of fixing them.

People usually assume I am some sort of liberal when I talk about it, but I was already a fellow traveller when we arrived, and nothing has changed my opinion about the rottenness of the Empire. Just don't get starstruck about this place. It can still break your heart.

On a more amusing note, the one time I did "go back", when I was with the River Rouge team for the 24 Hours of Le Mans, I was held for questioning until the American consulate got involved.

  • MasterD: Things like that are why my father joined the RIVA first before leaving England. Once he was done with training, they told him that if he survives he should ALWAYS keep his dog tags and his VOSCOM ID with him at all times just in case someone assumed he was a spy. They taught him how to do an American accent just to be REALLY sure, but he doesn't really need to use it because most people just see his dog tags and say "oh shit, RIVA, don't mess with him" without even asking what he did IN the RIVA or how he got that scar on his arm. (And before you ask, he's never told me how he got it either.)





WhoAteMyPie?:

When you're from a capitalist nation, you know that a lot of politicians seem to have nothing but contempt for their political opponents but try to hide it in order to keep up the facade of civility. And sometimes they just drop it all together and insult each other. This is especially true in Australasia, Blue Italy, Thailand or Americuba

When I visited the UASR on a school trip from Perth, I saw the People's Deputies speak, and…they were nice and courteous to each other. It was as if they were having a friendly philosophical debate and not determining the fate of the entire world. I got the sense that if they disagreed on policy then it was a friendly one, with the occasional good natured roast in between. It was honestly surreal, how cavalier it all was.







Yereh5767:

I'm from Palestine, Jerusalem specifically. I went to the United Republics for a vacation when I was a kid to visit family in Boston. The main thing I remember is that it was so cold! It was around the time of the High Holy Days so I expected it not to be very hot but the UR is just so much colder than here in the Levant! I only went out when my cousin let me wear their extra coats (my mom's said I looked like a little Haredi), and I instantly ran to the heater when we got back. It was also the first time I'd ever seen snow, which you could imagine was kind of a weird shock. Honestly I was more disappointed than surprised; books had made it seem so pretty and soft, where I was it was just cold and sharp and dirty.

This may have been unique to my family but I also noticed American kids my age love video games. When we'd get home after a long day my cousin would practically demand we sit at the house computer and play the game they had saved their labor vouchers for. I asked if they had any good books to read and they looked at me like I had a second head!




CaptainFantastic:

I was an engineering student from Kerala who came to America to study at Mass Tech. I now work as an aeronautical engineer at the Rocket Propulsion Lab in Pasadena.

India is not only a quite conservative place, but a very isolating one, especially in large cities, like Bengaluru, where I lived for a time. You don't interact that much with people, especially those in lower castes and classes. Instead, you mostly work 9 hours in an air conditioned office building, you go in your Hindustan through streets made for cars, and you stay in a home separate from anyone else's through walls. You might take the train for vacation to lion reserves in Gujarat, or the temples in Orissa, but you mostly live as one atomized unit.

I had seen America through Archie Comics and Spider-Man, and shows like Polytechnics, and thought it would be this place that was hedonistic, yet very serious and protective about its hedonism. And when I lived in Cambridge, it was a culture shock to see everyone so libertine, so open about their sexuality and pleasure. Yet, I also found they weren't that serious about it. They never forced foreign students to engage with it if they didn't want to, they had some humor about it, and they were also very nice and friendly. After only a little bit, you actually get used to it.

The bigger shock was the education system. Absolutely nothing equivalent to our entrance exams or testing of any kind. Instead, you are given group projects, and you do your part, while helping everyone else. Your advancement depends on your contribution and how well you work with others. Everyone is older, too, and a lot had already gotten some experience during their mandatory service.

Yet, again, very friendly. I never got the sense of rivalry or any pressure. Just pure collaboration with people who love doing the work as we are.

Americans are also very cultured. In India, anoraks are pretty… marginalized, with stuff like comics, VP movies, and animation considered just for kids. Here, you have an extremely healthy culture. No art is high or low, for kids or for adults. So diverse, too. Nothing like what I had read about all art following social realism.

Finally, it was interesting how different each place is. Cambridge is relatively conservative and pretty densely urban. Lots of trains, lots of historic areas. SoCal is completely different, very open, you actually need a car sometimes to go around, especially outside of LA city limits. People will regularly go naked on a hot day or on the beaches, and there's so much emphasis on athletics and health. PasSciInt is extremely open (especially for a small campus) compared to Mass Tech, and the tech nerds are more consumer oriented compared to the state corpo aspirants in Cambridge. Even the RPL is very much about the unmanned space program (probes and the outer solar system), and mock the "Luna/Mars/Titan obsessed manned space freaks" on the East Coast.

One thing I especially love about SoCal is the diversity. There are no enclaves, just people of many different cultures interacting and living together. I have colleagues, flatmates, and friends of many different origins, from China, Somalia, Australasia, Cuba, Chile, Azania. At the same time, it does give me a chance to feel nostalgic, especially with the large Indian population here (even if they're mostly Punjabis who have lived here for generations). I can enjoy North and South Indian food, you can also make your own, and share it with other, maybe mix it with others.

  • Ocean_Girl: It will never not be funny to overhear an argument go through seven different languages over the span of three sentences. From my experience, Constantinople is probably the other place where that applies to the same extent.




AlexanderHamilton:

Originally from Havana, fled following the repression of student unions while I was head of one at the American University in Havana, lived for a time in Miami. I now live in Buena Vista in Progress City.

Not really a whole lot I could say that others above me haven't already, just a few main observations:

  • A lot less political than I had expected at least in Progress. People disagree, but are very civil about it. People mock the current Premier and government, but it's never too violent. Hell, the technocrats who live and work in TomorrowWorld sometimes say they're "apolitical", just focused on working on technology to improve the human quality of life and the frontiers of science. Apparently, there's a whole history behind it, where Epcot was originally directly controlled by two state corporations: General Automan and Walt Disney's Tomorrowland Committee, before there was a general strike early on, and it became a city with elected officials (and later became capital of Florida). Miami is another story, though. Liberation people are very passionate to say the least.
  • Everyone has roughly the same quality of life. Everyone has access to the same amenities, the same resources, and a lot of people thrive more than others, but there's virtually no one who is poor or can't improve themselves.
  • I'm a history teacher, and I have a general curriculum, but no tests. Instead, we have semester long projects and more specialization. The students in my classes are enthusiastic about history, do their projects so immaculately that it makes international news sometimes.
  • Public transportation is incredible. Epcot has the legendary People Mover, and Progress is generally very liveable, but even in Miami, it was so fast and so well-kept. You can walk anywhere in minutes, no need for a car.


TommysPaine:


I'm a Cuban defector, originally from Santa Clara and living in Miami. I've lived here for close to thirty years now. Semi-professionally, I work as part of the Socialist Republic of Florida's resettlement committee for defectors and immigrants (and not just Cubans, I should add, as a lot of other nationalities come here as well).

I can tell you from personal experience, as well as professional, that a lot of newcomers to the Republics often have a skewed idea of American social mores. If you grew up like I did in the twilight years of the Dictatorship (I'm in my 70s, for the record), you were sold this idea of an America that was overflowing with vice, fornication and persecution of the faithful.

Those first two, however, are what really seem to stick out for a lot of people, and it can be hard for them to navigate the more socially libertine atmosphere when they've spent most of their lives up to that point in a much more conservative environment. The public nudity, in particular, can be a massive cultural shock that takes a little while to adjust to. This is especially true for those who came from cultures that associate nudity of any kind with sexuality or sexual availability (I've seen this particularly from defectors from places like India). Even for myself, it took some time for me to wrap my head around the idea of the nude beaches and casual nudity on the streets of Miami when I first came here. But like everything else, you just get used to it with time.

Americans have a very healthy attitude to human sexuality that neither seeks to shame nor condemn, but also prioritizes the idea of consent and boundaries. In other words: "It's fine to look, but it's not fine to touch unless you ask."



Frutabomba:

How much fucking seaweed they eat.

Like, no joke. Half of their diet is algae-related. Took me for a shock when I moved to Miami from Havana.





No notes really this time, other than the fact that (if you haven't figured it out by now), Nusenet is essentially ITTL's aquivalent of reddit mixed with an updated form of Usenet.
I basically wanted to do one of these after I saw a crazy amount of videos on Youtube that basically had text-to-speech readings of various "Non-Americans of Reddit..." threads from reddit. Nothing really deeper than that, but it ended up becoming a fun little project that I hope maybe sheds some more light on daily life in the UASR from an outsider's perspective.




 
So restaurants still exist in the Comintern. How do they operate? Presumably they arent how they are today, with waiters at the beck-and-call of the customers, so are buffets everywhere?
Run by the staff, more open and calm, often have buffets. No tipping allowed

They also have cafeterias and cantinas for self-service needs
 
Fun! I like the variety of answers. Something really interesting would be a somewhat biased British travel column from like the 60s or something.
 
I like how the education system is described here. District set up a school that operated under the same principles here, limited to 100 randomly chosen applicants per class because it wasn't particularly big building. It was pretty cool. Unfortunately, because university wasn't like that it does a really bad job of preparing you for that switch over.
 
Oh neat, it's interesting to see how interesting and overall nice a place this America is, but at the same time how different it is...

Luna/Mars/Titan obsessed manned space freaks

...Manned Titan Missions! Even if they're only planned and not executed, that's still incredible.

I know it's kind of an aside, but it still stood out to me. Reds!Verse probably couldn't have achieved 2001 (Space Odyssey) in 2001 (CE), but still incredible.
 
I'm sorry, I cannot in good conscience support any ideology which relies on the barbarity of group projects for education.
 
Hello, very new fan here. I am re-reading some of this and I wondered whatever happened to Nikola Tesla? Sorry, if this isn't relevent right now.

Honestly, I doubt his fate would have been very different to OTL. Tesla's best work was well behind him by the time the second civil war broke out: He might have received greater recognition for his contributions to the development of radar and electronics, but it's unlikely he would have ben able to talk his way into getting state funding for some of his more grandiose ideas, at least not more than once.
 
Also, I get the impression that Alaska is for the UASR what Florida is OTL: a strange land full of chaos gremlins and other cryptids locked in an endless feud with the wildlife and/or the county mounties.

Well half of it is that...the other half is Anchorage, which AFAIK is Friendly Night City (But With Inuits Instead of Japanese).

Also, Mounties are Canadian, you reactionary.
 
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(The following is a collaborative piece, initiated by me and containing contributions from myself, the Troika and others. Just imagine it being read by one of those british-sounding text-to-speech apps. Enjoy!)




Non-Americans of Nusenet, what was something about visiting or living in the UASR that surprised you?



Roadside_Picnicer:

The meat analogues. So. Many. Meat analogues.
I'm from the USSR. When I was in High School I went to visit Metropolis on a Comintern cross cultural exchange. Here in the Soviet Union we still eat meat (though not quite as much as my parents did), and that's apparently still kind of true in a lot of parts of the Republics, but in the bigger cities like Metropolis they had already been using things like tofu and tempeh since before the revolution. That was also the same year that they were introducing vat-grown meat for wider public consumption. There was even one restaurant that was run by a collective from New Afrika, and they served battered and fried cauliflower. It was amazing.


  • Frutabomba: We save the real meat for the stuff we serve at baseball games.




Guin_Of_The_Marsh:

I've lived in the UASR for about fifteen years now, but I'm originally from Nippon and my parents and I moved here when I was in my early teens. We ended up living in Athens in the New Afrikan Republic because my father was given a job as a physics professor at the university here. We'd lived in Tokyo for most of my life so you can imagine that going from the largest city in Nippon to a mid-to-large city in the Southern parts of the UASR was a bit of a cultural shock.

But what was especially surprising were the people there. We Nipponese have this international image of being a quiet and insular people, and to a certain degree that's true. But the people in New Afrika were so incredibly friendly and outgoing it was almost overwhelming. So many big smiles, so many people asking 'how are you?', 'how's your day been?', and 'You hungry? You eat yet?'.

I remember once, when I was in my Senior year of High School, some of the locals invited me to a 'truck meet'. Now, I had no idea what they were specifically talking about, but I'd heard that in the more rural parts of the UASR they would do things like 'tractor pulls' and other things involving automobiles because private car ownership was more of a thing there. But what I didn't realize is that they were actually getting together to show off all of their customized pick-up trucks; vehicles that they had not only polished and upgraded but also had covered with gaudy decorations, spoilers, etc. I suddenly realized that this was their equivalent of dekotora like from back home, but with pick-up trucks.

Oh yes, and the food. I was introduced to so many different kinds of dishes I'd never eaten before: grits (which is a kind of porridge made with maize) served with shrimp or with cheese, crispy fried chicken (not like karaage, and crispier), country ham (which was both juicy and very sweet), macaroni and cheese, mashed potatoes with brown gravy, biscuits (which are these thick bread things), and so many different kinds of fresh and pickled vegetables that it made my head spin (things like collard greens, turnip greens, mustard greens, so many greens!). Let's also just say that, once I was able to get my head around the idea of Sweet Tea, I quickly became a fan.




Wilson's_Gravy:

I'm actually British, but I'm also what they call a 'Red Nappy Baby', as my family have been involved in the ESCI since my grandparent's time. When I was in university, me and my family went on a vacation to DeLeon-Debs with a group of other ESCI and Left-Labour members and their families. This was partly a vacation and partly an educational trip, as I was studying for my computer engineering degree, so the two dates just kind of coalesced together. This was also about a year or so before the official linking between CyberSyn and Minitel went live globally.

People in the Comintern like to call DeLeon-Debs "the city of monuments", and it's true. Pretty much every major part of the city has huge, elaborate memorials, from the Temple of the Martyrs that has those statues of Lincoln, Norm Thomas and others and the various socialist realist Great Anti-Fascist Struggle memorials that were joint-ventures with Soviet sculptors (and boy does it show).

But it should also be called "The Land of Museums", because DeLeon-Debs quite possibly has some of the best museums in the world. The major one for my trip was the enormous CyberSyn museum.

Now, I had two major reasons to go there: the first was because I wanted to learn more about the Comintern's computer systems and how they were utilized (and of course its history, which is fascinating in and of itself). But I also wanted to find out how they used it in their politics. See, because direct democracy is essential to how their system works, they'd made it a major project to find ways to make voting and getting consensus quicker and more efficiently. These days, where slates are basically ubiquitous, a person in the UASR can wake up in the morning and vote for anything that needs voting on with a state-provided app. But back then, they had these enormous room-filling computer systems that required direct input from specialists whose whole job was to tabulate consensus and then enter it into CyberSyn in order to decide on things like distribution, managing, etc.

Seeing those huge, boxy computer systems that could only hold roughly 1/100th of the data I now carry in the palm of my hand made me realize just how far we've all come. What's even more amazing is that, even back then, it all worked incredibly well.




EchoFrost2006:

Born in Armenia, traveled a lot as a kid, Just moved to Anchorage to fly for Pan-Am.

I know that the cold does weird things to the mind, since every Finn, Moscovar, and Siberian I've met is living proof of that. But the Alaskan Chill must be something else, because I've never seen someone try to commit arson with Pierogi before them. Nor did I ever expect to have to avoid a speeding car while inside of a mall. Or even contend with having Polar Bears trying to attack the plane for the jet fuel.

And don't even get me started on the giant igloo in the middle of the city.

I've only been here for a week, and I do plan on staying here for the time being, so it might grow on me. But I don't think I can contend with this place as of right now.


  • Ocean_Girl: I think the real problem there is that you're in Alaska. It's one of those places that is just ripe for attracting and fostering weirdness in general. Chicago's pretty good most of the year, winters aside.]
  • KillerCheng: Alaska is an outlier and should not be considered as a baseline for the United Republics
    • MasterD: Anchorage is also an outlier to the rest of Alaska, don't consider it a baseline to anything. (Aside from some absolutely killer wild game and seafood restaurants. Ever had oolong tea-infused moose meat with spicy crowberry sauce?)
      • EchoFrost2006: That was a combination of words I never thought I'd hear. Sounds like one hell of a time.




MuckyMuck:

Seeing these different places with their own different cultures and traditions...

I'm from Jamaica, I defected here as a teenager so I could transition. Growing up on a small island, you all watch the same TV shows and read the same papers and celebrate the same holidays and eat the same food…it's all very holistic

When I first moved to Miami I was watching TV with my housemate and he told me that there was not just a TV station for the whole country, but one for the Republic of Florida and another for just Miami. I asked why they'd do all that just for the Republic or just the city and he just looked me straight in the eye and said "why do you think Florida has its own flag?"

And when I visited a friend in Metropolis, I was completely taken off guard by how different it was from Miami. It was like visiting an entirely different country from my point of view, but everyone else on the train just shrugged it off!

Of course, I'm used to it now, but I still remember getting off the train and realizing how much colder it was compared to everything I knew.

Also: Americans always love to show off their knowledge of the wider world. People always compliment my accent and talk about how much they love reggae music or beef patty sandwiches on coco bread, they really want you to know that they know all about you and your culture. It's kind of charming, to be honest.


  • KillerCheng: It certainly helps that a lot of Americans genuinely like learning about other cultures, especially considering that there's so many within an hour's train ride if anywhere.




98_Nosferatu:

I'm a Wessi. Here in Germany one of the more positive stereotypes we have about America is that it's a place where you can find virtually anything and everything from around the world. There was a Lufthansa ad a couple years back making fun of that, showing footage from different American neighborhoods which the viewer would think are from Shanghai or Mexico City but all turn out to be in Metropolis.

By contrast this half of Germany is probably one of the least culturally diverse regions of Europe, so when I visited America as an exchange student last year it was quite the shock. It's not as exaggerated of a contrast as it's made out to be here sometimes, but it's definitely a melting pot. Some politicians and other people here would complain about it, but personally I was pretty happy to try out something from every continent. My favorite was Somali tea shared by a worker from Mogadishu.

Having studied in both Cologne and Philadelphia, though… I have to say I prefer the German education system. In America the expectation was always a lot of independence and collaboration, and while I'm sure that's great for a lot of people, it really didn't work for me. Sometimes it felt like we didn't have a teacher at all lol. Getting along with other students was sometimes rough, too. At first I always felt like the quietest person in the room, and some people acted weird about me being from West Germany (at least one person made a joke about me being a Nazi, which I did NOT appreciate.) But Americans are also said to be very friendly, and I can attest to that. I made a lot of good friends that year, including an Ossi, something most people my age in Cologne don't have.




KillerCheng:

Cuban here. Defected a good while back, though that's a story for another time.

One thing that still gets me is that whatever needs to be done will be done very quickly.

For one, my immigration paperwork was basically done the day of. And that's not getting into all the other work I needed to get set up over here. On some days, I even forget that there is a bureaucracy at all.

Another thing that gets me is that there's just so much to do, see, buy, and the like. I've been getting into Rally Racing recently(Currently halfway through the Tennessee Rally atm)on top of my music production stuff, helping others out with getting settled here, and my semi-professional competition gaming side gig. Like, a career here is not about one specific field, but the wide spectrum of accomplishments, professions, passions, and even hobbies. Like, there's just so much here.

Although the architectural side does leave a bit to be desired, since a collapse at the third strangest apartment complex forced me to move to this development at a former mall, though that also led to a surprise basement just a few weeks in. Might be my own luck at play, but I digress.

Oh, and I've been enjoying the food here quite a lot, though even a slight glance at me in person would probably clue you in on that lol.




Jeremy_ClarksOff:

It's probably the sheer passion everyone has.

For the most part, everyone here does what they do with a high level of passion and enthusiasm, from the Guards, to the artists, to even the clerk at the local distribution center, and especially everyone at the party meetings. There's just so much passion for civic life.

Honestly, it's no wonder the United Republics are the way they are, when the people here are this enthusiastic about making their world better, or even just doing what they like.




BiggestBand:

There's so much weed everywhere here, and I could smell it. It was nauseous enough that I couldn't really stay for all that long. It's probably a neat place, but I doubt I could power through the smell.




Bofors:

When I was sixteen, my parents defected. What I had been told was supposed to be a vacation turned into a permanent exile. And what shocked me was the level of suspicion and mistrust I have faced.

My father claimed political asylum. But that's his business, not mine. Since I was at the 'age of reason' during the defection, I could've been convicted of offenses against the Loyalty Act if I returned.

Since my father was granted citizenship, so was I, and this has led to the revocation of my Commonwealth citizenship. I may have the same rights as any American, but I also have the same duties, which I was never prepared for. The shock from going to a public boarding school to American secondary school was life-threatening, and my peers never let me forget it. I was always the "English snob" and none of my father's socialist bona fides could change that.

And since there are no educational deferments or exemptions to the draft, I spent two years of hell in the Army, mistrusted by my peers. By the time I was through with it, I really had no more appetite for university, and so I put off education until someone finally knocked some sense into me and told me I should be designing cars instead of fixing them.

People usually assume I am some sort of liberal when I talk about it, but I was already a fellow traveller when we arrived, and nothing has changed my opinion about the rottenness of the Empire. Just don't get starstruck about this place. It can still break your heart.

On a more amusing note, the one time I did "go back", when I was with the River Rouge team for the 24 Hours of Le Mans, I was held for questioning until the American consulate got involved.


  • MasterD: Things like that are why my father joined the RIVA first before leaving England. Once he was done with training, they told him that if he survives he should ALWAYS keep his dog tags and his VOSCOM ID with him at all times just in case someone assumed he was a spy. They taught him how to do an American accent just to be REALLY sure, but he doesn't really need to use it because most people just see his dog tags and say "oh shit, RIVA, don't mess with him" without even asking what he did IN the RIVA or how he got that scar on his arm. (And before you ask, he's never told me how he got it either.)





WhoAteMyPie?:

When you're from a capitalist nation, you know that a lot of politicians seem to have nothing but contempt for their political opponents but try to hide it in order to keep up the facade of civility. And sometimes they just drop it all together and insult each other. This is especially true in Australasia, Blue Italy, Thailand or Americuba

When I visited the UASR on a school trip from Perth, I saw the People's Deputies speak, and…they were nice and courteous to each other. It was as if they were having a friendly philosophical debate and not determining the fate of the entire world. I got the sense that if they disagreed on policy then it was a friendly one, with the occasional good natured roast in between. It was honestly surreal, how cavalier it all was.







Yereh5767:

I'm from Palestine, Jerusalem specifically. I went to the United Republics for a vacation when I was a kid to visit family in Boston. The main thing I remember is that it was so cold! It was around the time of the High Holy Days so I expected it not to be very hot but the UR is just so much colder than here in the Levant! I only went out when my cousin let me wear their extra coats (my mom's said I looked like a little Haredi), and I instantly ran to the heater when we got back. It was also the first time I'd ever seen snow, which you could imagine was kind of a weird shock. Honestly I was more disappointed than surprised; books had made it seem so pretty and soft, where I was it was just cold and sharp and dirty.

This may have been unique to my family but I also noticed American kids my age love video games. When we'd get home after a long day my cousin would practically demand we sit at the house computer and play the game they had saved their labor vouchers for. I asked if they had any good books to read and they looked at me like I had a second head!




CaptainFantastic:

I was an engineering student from Kerala who came to America to study at Mass Tech. I now work as an aeronautical engineer at the Rocket Propulsion Lab in Pasadena.

India is not only a quite conservative place, but a very isolating one, especially in large cities, like Bengaluru, where I lived for a time. You don't interact that much with people, especially those in lower castes and classes. Instead, you mostly work 9 hours in an air conditioned office building, you go in your Hindustan through streets made for cars, and you stay in a home separate from anyone else's through walls. You might take the train for vacation to lion reserves in Gujarat, or the temples in Orissa, but you mostly live as one atomized unit.

I had seen America through Archie Comics and Spider-Man, and shows like Polytechnics, and thought it would be this place that was hedonistic, yet very serious and protective about its hedonism. And when I lived in Cambridge, it was a culture shock to see everyone so libertine, so open about their sexuality and pleasure. Yet, I also found they weren't that serious about it. They never forced foreign students to engage with it if they didn't want to, they had some humor about it, and they were also very nice and friendly. After only a little bit, you actually get used to it.

The bigger shock was the education system. Absolutely nothing equivalent to our entrance exams or testing of any kind. Instead, you are given group projects, and you do your part, while helping everyone else. Your advancement depends on your contribution and how well you work with others. Everyone is older, too, and a lot had already gotten some experience during their mandatory service.

Yet, again, very friendly. I never got the sense of rivalry or any pressure. Just pure collaboration with people who love doing the work as we are.

Americans are also very cultured. In India, anoraks are pretty… marginalized, with stuff like comics, VP movies, and animation considered just for kids. Here, you have an extremely healthy culture. No art is high or low, for kids or for adults. So diverse, too. Nothing like what I had read about all art following social realism.

Finally, it was interesting how different each place is. Cambridge is relatively conservative and pretty densely urban. Lots of trains, lots of historic areas. SoCal is completely different, very open, you actually need a car sometimes to go around, especially outside of LA city limits. People will regularly go naked on a hot day or on the beaches, and there's so much emphasis on athletics and health. PasSciInt is extremely open (especially for a small campus) compared to Mass Tech, and the tech nerds are more consumer oriented compared to the state corpo aspirants in Cambridge. Even the RPL is very much about the unmanned space program (probes and the outer solar system), and mock the "Luna/Mars/Titan obsessed manned space freaks" on the East Coast.

One thing I especially love about SoCal is the diversity. There are no enclaves, just people of many different cultures interacting and living together. I have colleagues, flatmates, and friends of many different origins, from China, Somalia, Australasia, Cuba, Chile, Azania. At the same time, it does give me a chance to feel nostalgic, especially with the large Indian population here (even if they're mostly Punjabis who have lived here for generations). I can enjoy North and South Indian food, you can also make your own, and share it with other, maybe mix it with others.

  • Ocean_Girl: It will never not be funny to overhear an argument go through seven different languages over the span of three sentences. From my experience, Constantinople is probably the other place where that applies to the same extent.




AlexanderHamilton:

Originally from Havana, fled following the repression of student unions while I was head of one at the American University in Havana, lived for a time in Miami. I now live in Buena Vista in Progress City.

Not really a whole lot I could say that others above me haven't already, just a few main observations:

  • A lot less political than I had expected at least in Progress. People disagree, but are very civil about it. People mock the current Premier and government, but it's never too violent. Hell, the technocrats who live and work in TomorrowWorld sometimes say they're "apolitical", just focused on working on technology to improve the human quality of life and the frontiers of science. Apparently, there's a whole history behind it, where Epcot was originally directly controlled by two state corporations: General Automan and Walt Disney's Tomorrowland Committee, before there was a general strike early on, and it became a city with elected officials (and later became capital of Florida). Miami is another story, though. Liberation people are very passionate to say the least.
  • Everyone has roughly the same quality of life. Everyone has access to the same amenities, the same resources, and a lot of people thrive more than others, but there's virtually no one who is poor or can't improve themselves.
  • I'm a history teacher, and I have a general curriculum, but no tests. Instead, we have semester long projects and more specialization. The students in my classes are enthusiastic about history, do their projects so immaculately that it makes international news sometimes.
  • Public transportation is incredible. Epcot has the legendary People Mover, and Progress is generally very liveable, but even in Miami, it was so fast and so well-kept. You can walk anywhere in minutes, no need for a car.


TommysPaine:


I'm a Cuban defector, originally from Santa Clara and living in Miami. I've lived here for close to thirty years now. Semi-professionally, I work as part of the Socialist Republic of Florida's resettlement committee for defectors and immigrants (and not just Cubans, I should add, as a lot of other nationalities come here as well).

I can tell you from personal experience, as well as professional, that a lot of newcomers to the Republics often have a skewed idea of American social mores. If you grew up like I did in the twilight years of the Dictatorship (I'm in my 70s, for the record), you were sold this idea of an America that was overflowing with vice, fornication and persecution of the faithful.

Those first two, however, are what really seem to stick out for a lot of people, and it can be hard for them to navigate the more socially libertine atmosphere when they've spent most of their lives up to that point in a much more conservative environment. The public nudity, in particular, can be a massive cultural shock that takes a little while to adjust to. This is especially true for those who came from cultures that associate nudity of any kind with sexuality or sexual availability (I've seen this particularly from defectors from places like India). Even for myself, it took some time for me to wrap my head around the idea of the nude beaches and casual nudity on the streets of Miami when I first came here. But like everything else, you just get used to it with time.

Americans have a very healthy attitude to human sexuality that neither seeks to shame nor condemn, but also prioritizes the idea of consent and boundaries. In other words: "It's fine to look, but it's not fine to touch unless you ask."



Frutabomba:

How much fucking seaweed they eat.

Like, no joke. Half of their diet is algae-related. Took me for a shock when I moved to Miami from Havana.





No notes really this time, other than the fact that (if you haven't figured it out by now), Nusenet is essentially ITTL's aquivalent of reddit mixed with an updated form of Usenet.
I basically wanted to do one of these after I saw a crazy amount of videos on Youtube that basically had text-to-speech readings of various "Non-Americans of Reddit..." threads from reddit. Nothing really deeper than that, but it ended up becoming a fun little project that I hope maybe sheds some more light on daily life in the UASR from an outsider's perspective.
What, American politics being civil? I'm sorry, that's just too unbelievable to me. Nothing will convince me that the local Soviets don't have the occasional fistfight.
 
Honestly, I doubt his fate would have been very different to OTL. Tesla's best work was well behind him by the time the second civil war broke out: He might have received greater recognition for his contributions to the development of radar and electronics, but it's unlikely he would have ben able to talk his way into getting state funding for some of his more grandiose ideas, at least not more than once.
Stay tuned (seriously, I have a two part update planned all about Tesla)
know it's kind of an aside, but it still stood out to me. Reds!Verse probably couldn't have achieved 2001 (Space Odyssey) in 2001 (CE), but still incredible.
The TTL version is called Universe, it's briefly mentioned in the VP update.
 
Also, Mounties are Canadian, you reactionary.
Feh. I will not stop in my quest to genericize all public safety officers who have to deal with the idiocy of bored rural people as "county mounties." It's the rhyme, you see; that's what makes it snappy.

If that makes me a reactionary then show me to the guillotine.
 
What, American politics being civil? I'm sorry, that's just too unbelievable to me. Nothing will convince me that the local Soviets don't have the occasional fistfight.

for a while IOTL, it was pretty civil, especially behind closed doors.

how does that old saying go, "it's a big club and you're not in it"? that defined a lot of American politics. oh sure, they could attack each other on TV, but in private they'd act like old friends.

here, the doors are transparent. i've made the case that a lot of the reason why the modern GOP is Like That was because after a while, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News stopped being mouthpieces for the party and started being where conservative politicians would get political pointers from, and they bought into the hype of "the Dems being evil baby eaters". none of that happens here. citizens of the UASR are confident in their system, they accept its flaws, and have found their places in society.

so i'd imagine that there'd be a lot more friendly roasts and sexual tension and less ridiculous character assassination when watching whatever CSPAN is called ITTL.

...oh fuck this TL is a Sorkin-wank isn't it
 
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Nothing wrong with imagining a world where politics has better self-protection mechanisms against people who can't or won't engage with the system in good faith.
 
What, American politics being civil? I'm sorry, that's just too unbelievable to me. Nothing will convince me that the local Soviets don't have the occasional fistfight.
Maybe he's sugarcoating. I can't see that there won't be an occasional fist fight over the older generation wanting a detente, but the younger generation wanting to speed run the destruction of capitalism.
 
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Maybe he's sugarcoating. I can't see that there won't be an occasional fist fight over the older generation wanting a dentate, but the younger generation wanting to speed run the destruction of capitalism.
not exactly a fist fight, more like a strong debate that is intense by TTL standards but is sedate by our standards
 
What, American politics being civil? I'm sorry, that's just too unbelievable to me. Nothing will convince me that the local Soviets don't have the occasional fistfight.

If anything, the more local politics are, the more likely it is for personal differences and political differences to bleed into each other, in typical small town fashion - the average local Soviet might see scenes resembling OTL Taiwanese parliament brawls on a fairly regular basis, especially in rural areas, where everyone knows everyone else, and the same few families have been living there for several generations.
 

The last time there were any legislative brawls in the US IOTL was just before the Civil War.

Even in today's age of hyperpartisanship, (which is actually an outlier in American society), nobody is foolish enough to even try it. (Yet...) It goes against the very concept of civics.

Post-war OTL American politics, for a while, used to be civil. The John Birchers were always a fringe group. The gradual erosion of civility that led to Trumpism DOES NOT HAPPEN ITTL, and rural America has never been a Mad Max hellscape.

When you think of the UASR's political culture, think about what John Wayne said when Kennedy was elected IOTL.

"I didn't vote for him, but he is my president now, and I hope he does a good job"
 
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