Purple Phoenix Reborn (Constantinople ISOT)

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**Lenea:**

Taking over here because patience is literally zero. That is not happening. Stop trying to twist the story to what you think it should be.
 
God did not protect the Romans from the Pope, but God protected the Romans when they recognized the Pope as their boss.
That's one way of seeing things, but I highly doubt that's how the Romans will see it. They have absolutely zero advantages in doing so, and they're also very proud of their religion. Most of the population wasn't in agreement with recognising the Pope as boss.

The Florentine Union is an indisputable fact from which Constantinople will not get away. So the patriarch and the emperor should lick the Pope's shoe... or pay taxes... for 100 years.
That may be the position of the Pope, but it sure as hell won't be that of the Romans. And what's the Pope going to do, call a crusade?

Once again, the Catholics, at the sight of the Miracle of the Holy Fire, first threw the Orthodox out of the temple, and when they realized that God did not respond to Catholic prayers, they engaged in intrigues that ended with the looting of Constantinople and the desecration of Orthodox churches. "God answers the Orthodox prayer! Damn it, let's take a shit in an Orthodox church!" Why do you think it will be different now?!
The teleportation of an entire city is a bit more spectacular than the miracle you're talking about. Most people will likely think « if God Himself intervened to save the Romans from extermination, what would happen if someone tried again? ». Those people believed in their religion, that will be at the back of their mind.
 
To change the conversation topic entirely!

It's interesting to see how the colonisation trends are shaping up. The Spanish are likely to try to occupy the Mexican coast along with expanding Columbia, and conquering the Incans. Portugal has decided that the Treaty of Tordesillas is for losers and is colonising La Plata anyway. The British and French are going for Canada. And the Dutch and Swedish are founding the 13 Colonies.

Ohh and the Romans have California, probably Alaska eventually, and will want some land on the East Coast somewhere. Their problem is that there's a bunch of mountains in the way, as well as a lot of desert in the most direct route.

That leaves the big question of who takes the Mississippi River Delta. In OTL it was the French, who didn't really care that much about it and sold it to the USA in short order. Maybe we might see a Roman backed native federation. That'd be cool.

Edit: that's a thought - fast forward a few years and the Romans are going to be really strongly incentivised to ensure that no continent spanning USA equivalent forms (unless it's them ofc). The Roman best case is that when all the colonies get independence they stay independent and don't join up with each other.
 
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The British and French are going for Canada. And the Dutch and Swedish are founding the 13 Colonies.
It seemed a bit unclear to me if the british were going for just Canada, or as historically also part of the 13 Colonies. And both Dutch and Swedes had some colonies there, around New Amsterdam (which changed name to New York when the british got it). Still, seems like they will stick around for longer this time around...
 
Constantinople fell on May 29, which should be the same day they were saved by God in this timeline.

I mention this because I'm wondering what kind of Holiday will be born from it.

Like, while Easter and Christmas are very old holidays, today are far more about the rabbit's eggs and buying Everything.

Would only the Orthodox celebrate their salvation? Or would the other Christain faiths join? And what about Jews and Muslims?

This is the kind of questions this type of content brings to the table.
 
Muslims are going to be...very much divided on the topic. This is a good point to talk a little (though it will be in more detail at another point) on the general view of 'why Constantinople?'

A common question in the thread(s) has been how people would try and work their brain around why Constantinople was saved instead of, say, Jerusalem. The general justification people come up with is going to be something along the lines of 'The Christians/Muslims (depending on who you ask) never intended to destroy the city, just take it for themselves'. Jerusalem would endure, just with a change of management.

Remember, here, that Mehmed spent the remainder of his life convincing people that he was really that much of an asshole to destroy the city down to the bedrock, not even leaving a single stone left. While very vividly putting Galata to the torch as a distraction. So you have people convinced that Mehmed destroyed the city completely and utterly. And since he went and got himself killed against Vlad alongside most of his closest confidants, there is no one to dispute this left.

Whereupon, when people find out that Constantinople was saved, people automatically assume that Mehmed was just that terrible that God saved the City from its inevitable destruction, not just sacking and change of rulership.

Obviously, out of universe, we know that's not the case. In-universe, it isn't that simple. Remembering that Mehmed did everything he could to destroy his own, personal, reputation to try and preserve that of his family and throne.

(and, on a related note, again: Never, in or out of universe, confirming how the City got moved or who did it. We firmly maintain that you lose all the mystique and 'oomph' when you have some silly scene of curiously-bat-shaped aliens musing on screwing with humanity.)
 
Obviously, out of universe, we know that's not the case. In-universe, it isn't that simple. Remembering that Mehmed did everything he could to destroy his own, personal, reputation to try and preserve that of his family and throne.
That's perhaps the thing I am most intrigued about regarding the European situation. Just what the Ottoman Empire changes into thanks to this.
 
Not that I recall? I'm not sure where you got that but I haven't been paying too close attention to the discussion.
 
Yup. Because they couldn't take a hint, and wanted to insert their own politics into this.

Just checked that one. Oh wow, poor "fool". Anyway.

(and, on a related note, again: Never, in or out of universe, confirming how the City got moved or who did it. We firmly maintain that you lose all the mystique and 'oomph' when you have some silly scene of curiously-bat-shaped aliens musing on screwing with humanity.)

I was sure that one went without saying. Like, why would we want to "explain with science" how or why that happened. Let alone people within the context.

The biggest act of God's Will in recent history. Just in time for the Age of Exploration and the Printing Press.

Both Romes and Ottomans will have good records about everything until the very Miracle.

Like, I can even imagine how discussions regarding God existence will come around what happened with Constantinople?

"If there is no God, how a Very Big City disappeared in one moment and appeared thousands of kilometers away, with pretty much all the people and buildings ready on-site!?"
"Aliens"
 
I am just picturing a history channel miniseries, a tv drama, scores of books and at least one anime on how Mehmed managed to be so evil god apparently acted against him to foil his desires.
 
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This is gonna be the plot of a long running shoujo historical isekai. 68 volumes minimum. Girl gets lost in time just as Constantinople is lost in space, but she earns the trust of the royal family.
 
I am already picturing a Video Game about early twentieth century Constantinople being by attacked by a demonic Mehmed like something out of Sakura Wars.
 
I wonder how many future events will change?. Maybe here the 2 world wars wouldn't have happened or instead have very different circumstances.
 
I wonder how many future events will change?. Maybe here the 2 world wars wouldn't have happened or instead have very different circumstances.


One thing that I believe is going to be majorly effected by Spanish failures in the Americas is probably going to be a much weaker Habsburg dynasty and a less destructive Thirty Years War, considering that I don't think Martin Luther would suddenly stop writing his thesis because of Constantinople. Much less suffering for the German people in general in the next century, which is a plus!
 
One thing that I believe is going to be majorly effected by Spanish failures in the Americas is probably going to be a much weaker Habsburg dynasty and a less destructive Thirty Years War, considering that I don't think Martin Luther would suddenly stop writing his thesis because of Constantinople. Much less suffering for the German people in general in the next century, which is a plus!

Not necessarily, a lot of the suffering was caused by outside parties getting involved like France, Sweden and Denmark-Norway.

Though to be honest its uncertain the thirty years war itself would even happen in this timeline given how much of what kicked it off was tied up in Imperial electoral politics.

If let's say the extremely intolerant Ferdinand doesn't end up getting elected emperor via the support and funding of the Spanish Hapsburgs, it's quite possible the thirty years war doesn't happen at all and instead all that happens war kicks off again in the Spanish Netherlands as the 20 truce that ended the 80 years' war comes to an end.

There's always the risk of a butterfly erasing him, but given that Cortes still existed and acted like in otl I don't think it will be the case.

I think you'd pretty much would have to butterfly away the western Schism (1378 to 1417) for the protestant reformation not to happen as it did the western schism utterly decimated and massively undermined papal religious authority to the point it still hadn't recovered by the time Martin Luther came around.

Turns out when let's say you go 39 years with no clear pope but two and later three popes it does nasty things to religious authority and prestige much like going let's say Interregnums that lasted 67 years (1245 and 1312) and 55 years (1378 and 1433) did nasty things to imperial authority and centralization in the HRE.
 
If I recall correctly OP mentioned a "butterfly net" over Europe keeping things mostly the same until Constantinople could be found for the story's sake.
 
A butterfly net mostly concerned with making sure the same people show up until the Aztec thing (ie, Columbus/Cortes) and that there's a Reformation. Even if not the Reformation.

As Vlad shanking Mehmed should demonstrate, it's not straight 'Europe the same'. :p
 
Not necessarily, a lot of the suffering was caused by outside parties getting involved like France, Sweden and Denmark-Norway.

Though to be honest its uncertain the thirty years war itself would even happen in this timeline given how much of what kicked it off was tied up in Imperial electoral politics.

If let's say the extremely intolerant Ferdinand doesn't end up getting elected emperor via the support and funding of the Spanish Hapsburgs, it's quite possible the thirty years war doesn't happen at all and instead all that happens war kicks off again in the Spanish Netherlands as the 20 truce that ended the 80 years' war comes to an end.

That's a fair point, though my mind always drifts to the sacking of Magdeburg by the Catholic armies whenever I talk about the thirty years war, what a waste of life.
 
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