Purple Phoenix Reborn (Constantinople ISOT)

Would they actually respond beyond thinking that the Abrahamic god picked a side?

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More interesting is that Ottoman Legitimacy will be completely shot as the news travels back to Europe though.

We will likely see revolts against Ottoman Rule being larger and stronger than historically, and most likely we can look at the Hasanid Sharifs of Mecca becoming a focal point of Islamic revival and an Arab revolt.

The Spanish made reference to Carthage, so I think the Ottomans have caused a rumpus in the rest of Europea.

I'm also curious as to why the Aragonese conquistador got such a hostile response by identifying himself as such.
 
If we're going plausible secular explanation, I think folks will go with the explanation that some type of conspiracy took place between some strong factions among both Christians and Muslims to evacuate Constantinople and slowly ship out the infrastructure as well.

Constanstine XI was a genius who used every asset, spy networks, sympathy, and the last bits of leverage he had to take the crossing to the New World and screw over his enemies. He also laid out carefully drawn plans to deconstruct the City and leave easily destroyed decoy structures in their wake well before sending that fateful message to Mehmed.

One of the greatest acts of misdirection in history ever conceived. Also one of the most stupidly expensive endeavors of all time.

Mehmet was never the wiser.
 
In terms of Islamic religious tensions and schisms? The first place that's going to get news of this would be Morocco and the Emirs and Beys of Tangiers and Algeria. Who would probably declare themselves the heirs of the Glory of Al' Andalus just to push Ottoman influence as far back as possible. While an Arabic peninsular revolt is always possible, the most likely branch of Islam to seize the opportunity to fuck with the Ottomans would be the Persians. Look for the Shia to use Mehmed as a shoe to clout the Sunnis about the face with.
 
Because Aragon and Castille had unified into Spain, so that sort of talk is disloyal to the Crown.

Note that the translator, got an angry look from Cortes, not from the Old roman.
And note that this was a fairly recent event, as in within the conquistadors lifetimes. So it's very sensitive. The two countries had been ruled by the same crown for decades longer, but the union into one country was fresh. And not everyone was a fan.

There was also some historical bad blood between them, as you can find between most neighboring countries.
 
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As a orthodox it gladdens my heart that eastern Roman Empire has survived and prospered good wishes to them from one of first Christian country
 
I'll drop one bone on religion, I suppose. Two of the major Christian sects (which aren't the sum total of major Christian denominations by the modern day, though I'm obviously not saying how many there are or what the others are) will end up creating an academic in-joke. One along the same vein as the Not-Holy, Not-Roman, Non-Empire jokes of our timeline.

The Roman Catholic Church* that is centered in Rome, but is not part of the Roman Empire nor related to it at all.

and

The Roman Orthodox Church** that is centered in the Roman Empire that does not (and has not for centuries) controlled Rome, and is on an entirely different continent.

This is not confusing to people who are either not-Christian or not from Arcadia or Europe. Not at all :V
That honestly sounds like an entirely plausible thing that real people would do under the circumstances.
 
I don't know about all this global economics & trade stuff but I heard second hand that one of the main reasons why the Spanish Armada was able to afford it's massive galleons was because of the gold & silver looted/mined from the Americas. So militarily, the Spanish aren't as terrifying an opponent if they can't pay for it.

Also, the Spanish aren't going to stop banging their heads against the New World just because they fail to topple the Aztecs & Incas. I've heard/read second hand that the Americas are Spain's only route to Asia because the Portuguese negotiated/conned the Spanish into agreeing that traveling around the Horn of Africa was exclusive to Portuguese ships. The Spanish need some foothold on the west coast of America/Arcadia even if it's a single fortified port.

One of the greatest acts of misdirection in history ever conceived. Also one of the most stupidly expensive endeavors of all time.

Mehmet was never the wiser.

Of course he was never the wiser, who could possibly have predicted that?
 
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I don't know about all this global economics & trade stuff but I heard second hand that one of the main reasons why the Spanish Armada was able to afford it's massive galleons was because of the gold & silver looted/mined from the Americas. So militarily, the Spanish aren't as terrifying an opponent if they can't pay for it.

Also, the Spanish aren't going to stop banging their heads against the New World just because they fail to topple the Aztecs & Incas. I've heard/read second hand that the Americas are Spain's only route to Asia because the Portuguese negotiated/conned the Spanish into agreeing that traveling around the Horn of Africa was exclusive to Portuguese ships. The Spanish need some foothold on the west coast of America/Arcadia even if it's a single fortified port.
Depends on how much trouble the New World is really; if it proves to be sufficiently difficult, the Spanish may well decide that telling the Portuguese Empire to get fucked is the better option.

Phillip II did seize the Portuguese crown in 1580 after all, and he did not do it peacefully.
 
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In terms of Islamic religious tensions and schisms? The first place that's going to get news of this would be Morocco and the Emirs and Beys of Tangiers and Algeria. Who would probably declare themselves the heirs of the Glory of Al' Andalus just to push Ottoman influence as far back as possible.

Maybe, but quite likely they'd hearken to the Idrisid and Almohad sultanates, as they had longer golden ages than did Al-Andalus. Also because the Ottomans claimed the Caliphate, hearkening to Idris for Morocco makes more sense given that Idris was a Prince of the Hasanid line.

While an Arabic peninsular revolt is always possible, the most likely branch of Islam to seize the opportunity to fuck with the Ottomans would be the Persians. Look for the Shia to use Mehmed as a shoe to clout the Sunnis about the face with.

Except Ismail I, First of the Safavid Shahs, who established Shiite Persia as a thing ascended to the Throne of Persia in 1501.
 
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So what I'm hearing is that in about a hundred years China and Europe are gonna suffer an economic collapse, allowing for the Roman and Inca Empires to rise to great power status unmolested and dominate the globe. Can't wait for the Inca to colonize Africa.
 
So what I'm hearing is that in about a hundred years China and Europe are gonna suffer an economic collapse, allowing for the Roman and Inca Empires to rise to great power status unmolested and dominate the globe. Can't wait for the Inca to colonize Africa.

Europe is currently in the middle of its love affair with War, which isn't likely to stop anytime soon, so not likely.
 
The real fun butterfly is how this news effects the entire Protestant movements, the English/Anglican church, and what happens to the Thirty Years War now? :whistle:
 
And note that this was a fairly recent event, as in within the conquistadors lifetimes. So it's very sensitive. The two countries had been ruled by the same crown for decades longer, but the union into one country was fresh. And not everyone was a fan.

There was also some historical bad blood between them, as you can find between most neighboring countries.

As far I understand it, there wasn't technically a single "Spanish" state even after the unification of the Crowns. It was a composite monarchy.
 
The real fun butterfly is how this news effects the entire Protestant movements, the English/Anglican church, and what happens to the Thirty Years War now? :whistle:

It doesn't... at least to start with. The Lutheran reformations basis was in the commercialisation of the RCC and that isn't likely to change enough in twenty-five years when the Papacy is still held by various Italian Banking Clans.

The Anglican Reformation was basically Henry VIIIth giving himself an excuse to go pillaging.

And the same applied in Sweden-Finland and Denmark- Norway. Reform into national churches to shore up the fiscal strength of the nations by looterating monastery's and cathedrals.

The Thirty Years War is 125 years in the future, so who the hell knows.

What we might see before that is a resumption of Crusades.
 
Here are the locations of the Spanish silver mines in the new world.
There won't be a Paname Canal for centuries, and navigating the Pacific from Asia is just a big nono for now. Finally, what few ships that attempt to circumvent American via the strait of Magellan or by going around will be met with Roman naval dominance.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_Magellan
 
Here are the locations of the Spanish silver mines in the new world.
There won't be a Paname Canal for centuries, and navigating the Pacific from Asia is just a big nono for now. Finally, what few ships that attempt to circumvent American via the strait of Magellan or by going around will be met with Roman naval dominance.Strait of Magellan - Wikipedia
That "Roman Naval Dominance" isn't going to manifest for a couple ceturies. The Romans just don't have a tradition of open ocean ship building or sailing as they spent their entire exsistence locked to the Medeterainian. That problem hasn't been resolved in the time since the transition as they have suck almost solely to the coasts. The Portuguese and by extention the Spanish have a long history of open ocean sailing and ship building and pionered most of the important inventions for oceanic sailing during this time. That's not even mentioning the fact that the Strait of Magellen 6,000 miles away from Constantinople.
 
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That "Roman Naval Dominance" isn't going to manifest for a couple ceturies. The Romans just don't have a tradition of open ocean ship building or sailing as they spent their entire exsistence locked to the Medeterainian. That problem hasn't been resolved in the time since the transition as they have suck almost solely to the coasts. The Portuguese and by extention the Spanish have a long history of open ocean sailing and ship building and pionered most of the important inventions for oceanic sailing during this time. That's not even mentioning the fact that the Strait of Magellen 6,000 miles away from Constantinople.
Yeah the Romans will have to invite some European Shipbuilders, though that won't be impossible I suspect.
 
That "Roman Naval Dominance" isn't going to manifest for a couple ceturies. The Romans just don't have a tradition of open ocean ship building or sailing as they spent their entire exsistence locked to the Medeterainian. That problem hasn't been resolved in the time since the transition as they have suck almost solely to the coasts. The Portuguese and by extention the Spanish have a long history of open ocean sailing and ship building and pionered most of the important inventions for oceanic sailing during this time. That's not even mentioning the fact that the Strait of Magellen 6,000 miles away from Constantinople.
And that's the thing right there. The lack of silver and other mineral discoveries along with the natives being much more harder to remove when compared to OTL means that there won't be too much of an incentive to explore/settle the Western Coast.

By a couple of centuries where colonial powers have at least established a decent number of colonies, the Romans would have dominace over most of the Western Pacific coast.

The strait of Magellen being 6000 miles from the capital means that it also works against the Europeans.

Or that's just what I'm speculating given what other posters have said a couple of pages ago.
 
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Huh, if the Spanish still want their gold fix, they could just take over venezuela. Which is fair enough from the romans where they can hold it, and close enough to their existing colonies that they can reinforce it and transport the gold. Heck from their they could easly just send a larger force to take over the Inca anyway, sure they lose Mexico but south America is good pickings. Granted that means more tension with portugal but when has that ever stopped the spanish. For them the Romans can keep the North, its the south they will take.
 
Ahhhhhh.

And Cortés reaps the shitstorm he deserved to suffer in reality, god I hate reading about Cortés; the man should have gotten his shit wrecked many times, but through a combination of blatant lies and sheer blind luck he managed to wave enough gold around to convince Charles V to not chop his head off.


That's not going to work this time around. Too bad, so sad. :V



Europe is basically going to explode. It will take awhile because nobody is going to believe that Constantinople fucking teleported across the planet when everyone knows that Mehmed II burned the city to the ground, but eventually enough evidence will make its way back to Europe that the Catholic Church is going to be forced to confront the apparent reality that Constantinople is God's Chosen City and its people His Chosen People, because why else would God intervene so blatantly to rescue the city and its people if they weren't important?

This is going to cause Problems.


Less a possibility and more a guarantee; God never picked Jerusalem up and moved it to a paradise on earth on the other side of the planet when it was threatened by muslim conquerors, but He did save Constantinople. Logically speaking, Constantinople must be more important, otherwise He would have saved Jerusalem instead.

People will try to argue this of course, but arguing a blatant and obvious miracle like the teleportation of an entire city and all its people is rather tricky, to say the least.

Every year, at Easter, the Eastern Orthodox Church demonstrates the miracle of the descent of the Holy Fire. Numerous attempts by Catholics and Muslims to expose or appropriate the miracle were unsuccessful. It is obvious that the Orthodox branch of Christianity is loved by God. What did it lead to? Catholics and Muslims are simple... they ignore this fact.

P. S. The Orthodox branch of Christianity is characterized by the practice of 2 religions, even at the level of elites. The last pagan cults of Dionysus disappeared only in the Middle Ages. In western Russia and the Orthodox part of Poland, it took about 500 years to destroy mass paganism (there was already a Revival in Europe). The last recorded traditional pagan temple in Russia was destroyed under Catherine 2. Napoleon and Fulton had already been born, and the United States had already won its independence.
 
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Every year, at Easter, the Eastern Orthodox Church demonstrates the miracle of the descent of the Holy Fire. Numerous attempts by Catholics and Muslims to expose or appropriate the miracle were unsuccessful. It is obvious that the Orthodox branch of Christianity is loved by God. What did it lead to? Catholics and Muslims are simple... they ignore this fact.
Teleporting cities rank slightly higher on the 'how the fuck did that happen' graph of Miracles than the Holy Fire, of which literally the only thing that people actually see is the Patriarch leaving a sealed room with a pair of candles.

Not saying that there won't still be plenty of people who refuse to acknowledge the truth; Donald Trump still has a devout following for example, but something that is provably definitively impossible, like an entire city being somewhere that it straight up cannot have been, is rather harder to dismiss than a statue that cries or a dude coming out of a room with a pair of candles that he totally lit from the pillar of blue flame rising from the sarcophagus inside that no-one else is allowed to look at.

e: I guess the point I'm trying to make is that unlike with other 'miracles' in reality, there is no plausible secular explanation for Constantinople being in North America. Furthermore, the scale of the miracle is much larger (an entire city and all the people in it) than any modern 'miracle' by orders of magnitude, it is the sort of thing that literally anyone can go look at and see the impossibility right there in front of them, rather than being told about it by an old dude who is very definitely 100% trustworthy and has no ulterior motives whatsoever.
 
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