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Project Prometheus (Original Setting Superhero Quest)
Wait, if 10 is the hard limit how are we ever supposed to get the Apiary power (even a -3 reduction won't cut it, so..)?
Or would it be to roll the dice and experiment to see if that would instantly kill the candidate?
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You don't have ability to safely use Apiary's DNA yet. Further research may give you the means to do so.
LucidProp
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Now that I'm calm again, time to look at the votes. We're negotiating with New Dawn and here's what we know about them:
Optimally, we should bring Handyman and be Deceptive. With ESP 8 and 9, we can likely run circles around him and get Wolong to reveal cards close to his chest, but do we really want an alliance based on smoke and mirrors? Horizon needs something solid to keep the city from falling to despair, not a fog that tries to obscure how bad things really are.
We raised Lady Leizi's REP to 4, and while that's not amazing, we should bring Black Swan with us if we're being conciliatory to convince Wolong that we're being genuine.
[X] Plan: Bury the Hatchet
-[X] Black Swan
-[X] Conciliatory. You two have been the premier heroic organizations in Horizon for the last ten years, and the bad blood between has been ridiculous. You won't be a pushover, but you will do all you can to emphasize you're all on the same team.
This reaps us the least benefit for Justice Unlimited since we're trying to meet New Dawn as equals rather than using our leverage over them. Hopefully, Wolong sees the gesture for what it is, rather than think we're bluffing to hide weakness that isn't there. This really isn't the time to be jockeying over advantages and whatnot.
Horizon needs its heroes to trust one another, and I really do like this as further development of Lady Leizi's character from the morally grey hatchet-woman to someone trying to live up to the path of heroism her friends blazed for her.
Yazmin said that she admires Lady Leizi because the latter chooses to be a better person every time she wakes up, and I want to live up to that belief.
- They're desperate for help, but they've taken great pains to maintain the illusion that everything's under control and New Dawn is still capable.
- Arc is probably dead. She hasn't been seen at all since the Movement, so Wolong is alone at the top, and he only has 4 active supers who are all likely incredibly overworked.
- Wonderland escapees are laying low and that's a problem because it's a sign that the city's worst supervillains are organizing together.
- Wolong thinks we're even worse off than he is and wants to bring Justice Unlimited back to the fold. We're not just extra bodies for him, but incredibly valuable assets for New Dawn's current problems.
- Lady Leizi's information network would be incredible for actually finding what the Wonderland prisoners are plotting together.
- Black Swan is the real deal, and one of the largest blunt instruments in the city. Where Lady Leizi can find Wolong the nails that stick out, Black Swan is there to hammer them back down.
Optimally, we should bring Handyman and be Deceptive. With ESP 8 and 9, we can likely run circles around him and get Wolong to reveal cards close to his chest, but do we really want an alliance based on smoke and mirrors? Horizon needs something solid to keep the city from falling to despair, not a fog that tries to obscure how bad things really are.
We raised Lady Leizi's REP to 4, and while that's not amazing, we should bring Black Swan with us if we're being conciliatory to convince Wolong that we're being genuine.
[X] Plan: Bury the Hatchet
-[X] Black Swan
-[X] Conciliatory. You two have been the premier heroic organizations in Horizon for the last ten years, and the bad blood between has been ridiculous. You won't be a pushover, but you will do all you can to emphasize you're all on the same team.
This reaps us the least benefit for Justice Unlimited since we're trying to meet New Dawn as equals rather than using our leverage over them. Hopefully, Wolong sees the gesture for what it is, rather than think we're bluffing to hide weakness that isn't there. This really isn't the time to be jockeying over advantages and whatnot.
Horizon needs its heroes to trust one another, and I really do like this as further development of Lady Leizi's character from the morally grey hatchet-woman to someone trying to live up to the path of heroism her friends blazed for her.
Yazmin said that she admires Lady Leizi because the latter chooses to be a better person every time she wakes up, and I want to live up to that belief.
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Probbaly ibis figuring out how to lower ambrosia potency even further
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I can't wait to see Ibis drooling enviously at Nora's lab. Or seething enviously. Or both?
[X] Plan: Bury the Hatchet
-[X] Black Swan
-[X] Conciliatory. You two have been the premier heroic organizations in Horizon for the last ten years, and the bad blood between has been ridiculous. You won't be a pushover, but you will do all you can to emphasize you're all on the same team.
[X] Plan: Bury the Hatchet
-[X] Black Swan
-[X] Conciliatory. You two have been the premier heroic organizations in Horizon for the last ten years, and the bad blood between has been ridiculous. You won't be a pushover, but you will do all you can to emphasize you're all on the same team.
[X] Plan: Bury the Hatchet
-[X] Black Swan
-[X] Conciliatory. You two have been the premier heroic organizations in Horizon for the last ten years, and the bad blood between has been ridiculous. You won't be a pushover, but you will do all you can to emphasize you're all on the same team.
Alright, that seems like a solid analysis (and if we need to prove our combat power, then...)
-[X] Black Swan
-[X] Conciliatory. You two have been the premier heroic organizations in Horizon for the last ten years, and the bad blood between has been ridiculous. You won't be a pushover, but you will do all you can to emphasize you're all on the same team.
Alright, that seems like a solid analysis (and if we need to prove our combat power, then...)
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Side note I'm going to give the Hunch/Huntress/Memoria plan the codename "Tiger's Eye" for no reason other than sounding cool.
ReaperofInterest
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So, my thoughts in general...it sounds like Mendicant has an...unfortunate power, if I'm reading things correctly. They need to have an understanding of whatever condition they're attempting to treat, which, understandable drawback. They can seemingly instantly understand poisons and toxins and stuff by being exposed to them, which depending on if they suffer from any of them effects and how quickly they can cure themselves, is probably a major pain in the ass. By far the biggest drawback of their power though, at least from what I can tell, is that they actually have to use their own biomass in order to make their symbiotes. Which...yeah, I can absolutely understand why they'd be charging money for their power.
Did Scarlet Maturity himself wind up killing Zeno while being supported by a team or something? Because with Zeno's powers, I'm legitimately not sure how anyone managed to kill him.
EXCEED-BEYOND is going to be...hoo boy, suffice to say that it's going to be big once we find someone we can have use it. Module Dynamite is...ominous, once the Zalgo text is deciphered. "Open the Stage". ...I'm guessing that the Stage being referred to is the same one that using the armor requires a semi-open connection to. What is this Stage, anyway? Some variation on the Collective Consciousness or something?
Mammoth...*sigh*...You're entitled to your opinions. But for fuck's sake man, when you're expressing an opinion you KNOW your...superior officer, I guess (is he technically considered an employee of Justice Unlimited, with Lady Leizi as the effective CEO or something) isn't going to like hearing, DON'T PUT IT IN A DOCUMENT THEY'RE GOING TO READ! Or at least erase it before giving it to them.
Did Scarlet Maturity himself wind up killing Zeno while being supported by a team or something? Because with Zeno's powers, I'm legitimately not sure how anyone managed to kill him.
EXCEED-BEYOND is going to be...hoo boy, suffice to say that it's going to be big once we find someone we can have use it. Module Dynamite is...ominous, once the Zalgo text is deciphered. "Open the Stage". ...I'm guessing that the Stage being referred to is the same one that using the armor requires a semi-open connection to. What is this Stage, anyway? Some variation on the Collective Consciousness or something?
Mammoth...*sigh*...You're entitled to your opinions. But for fuck's sake man, when you're expressing an opinion you KNOW your...superior officer, I guess (is he technically considered an employee of Justice Unlimited, with Lady Leizi as the effective CEO or something) isn't going to like hearing, DON'T PUT IT IN A DOCUMENT THEY'RE GOING TO READ! Or at least erase it before giving it to them.
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Ibis feels like he's technically an independent free agent who just had a good working relationship with Justice Unlimited (and I guess Four Seasons because Ophelie liked him too).
...who maybe occasionally caused chaos when one of his Dr. Moreau experiments got loose or caused chaos.
...who maybe occasionally caused chaos when one of his Dr. Moreau experiments got loose or caused chaos.
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[X] Plan: Bury the Hatchet
-[X] Black Swan
-[X] Conciliatory. You two have been the premier heroic organizations in Horizon for the last ten years, and the bad blood between has been ridiculous. You won't be a pushover, but you will do all you can to emphasize you're all on the same team.
Ooh, this fight was stressful, thankfully the Apiary is as amazing as its namesake. Tons of good stuff and samples! Also Apiary's power was definitely closer to Leviathan than people would have found acceptable, but that doesn't mean you have to say it like that, Ibis! Maybe LL will finally make him learn.
-[X] Black Swan
-[X] Conciliatory. You two have been the premier heroic organizations in Horizon for the last ten years, and the bad blood between has been ridiculous. You won't be a pushover, but you will do all you can to emphasize you're all on the same team.
Ooh, this fight was stressful, thankfully the Apiary is as amazing as its namesake. Tons of good stuff and samples! Also Apiary's power was definitely closer to Leviathan than people would have found acceptable, but that doesn't mean you have to say it like that, Ibis! Maybe LL will finally make him learn.
Holy shit this was totally worth it. Potency 14... I'm sensing future upgrades to potency reduction or tolerance increases.
And EXCEED-BEYOND is splendid. I was imagining having to create a new independent artificial intelligence or psionic entity with its own free will to commandeer it, but this is definitely more in keeping with Project Prometheus. Who wants to bet that questers will draft candidates handmade to wield the suit in hopes that we will get them from the encounter table? I certainly have ideas in mind, hah. Alternatively we could go for the high tolerance candidate quests to fill the seat. Someone like totally-not Madoka Kaname would be hilarious.
I like this plan a lot. But I must ask, how far are we willing to go to reconcile in the short and long term? That's also a question for the voters in general. For example, I want to avoid revealing Project Prometheus at this meeting and in the future until we have a firm relationship of mutual trust established.
Bringing Mona will be vital as proof of our strength, but I am wary of revealing the full extent of her powers and rolling out the full "successor of JU" banner just yet. Presenting her as a new extremely solid pillar of the team will be enough without raising questions of why a godlike being kept in reserve did not participate in the Movement.
And EXCEED-BEYOND is splendid. I was imagining having to create a new independent artificial intelligence or psionic entity with its own free will to commandeer it, but this is definitely more in keeping with Project Prometheus. Who wants to bet that questers will draft candidates handmade to wield the suit in hopes that we will get them from the encounter table? I certainly have ideas in mind, hah. Alternatively we could go for the high tolerance candidate quests to fill the seat. Someone like totally-not Madoka Kaname would be hilarious.
[X] Plan: Bury the Hatchet v.2
I like this plan a lot. But I must ask, how far are we willing to go to reconcile in the short and long term? That's also a question for the voters in general. For example, I want to avoid revealing Project Prometheus at this meeting and in the future until we have a firm relationship of mutual trust established.
Bringing Mona will be vital as proof of our strength, but I am wary of revealing the full extent of her powers and rolling out the full "successor of JU" banner just yet. Presenting her as a new extremely solid pillar of the team will be enough without raising questions of why a godlike being kept in reserve did not participate in the Movement.
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You know, I wonder what is stopping us from using Dynamite to punt Leviathan into the nearest other celestial body and make it Not Our Problem?
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Assuming that Hero Worship leads to Yara being recruited, I actually don't think I want her doing E-B. I feel like we should give her a powerset that incorporates Uiara's DNA, once we figure out how to actually get that sample. For thematic reasons.
[X] Plan: Bury the Hatchet
No objections from me regarding the plan here.
Probably more reasons than I personally could count, not the least of which being that we have zero idea what Opening the Stage would actually entail. We should probably keep that potential Pandora's Box firmly closed as the nuclear option.
No objections from me regarding the plan here.
Probably more reasons than I personally could count, not the least of which being that we have zero idea what Opening the Stage would actually entail. We should probably keep that potential Pandora's Box firmly closed as the nuclear option.
Wolong is able to help us figure out Power Synergies for Ambrosia, which would mean needing to bring him in on Project Prometheus. Now as for what we need to pay for his help, thats something for mission or later. That said probably atleast 1 High Tolerance candidate powered for new dawn is something I can see.
Same and I think we need to do Hero Worhip questline to get Uiarra DNA unless its something about new Global actions.
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We saw Nora do it in the Exceed issue.
LucidProp
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I also want to avoid revealing Project Prometheus for now. In the future once our alliance is a lot more solid, sure, but trust is a two-way street and Wolong will have to reciprocate first.
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[X] Plan: Bury the Hatchet
Voting this since I overall agree with @LucidProp 's assessment. This is definitely the better plan than what I'm about to present. However...
[X] Plan: Smokes and Mirrors
-[X] Menagerie Witch
-[X] Deceptive. Wolong thinks you're desperate. He doesn't know you know the truth of New Dawn's situation. Let him keep thinking that. See what he's willing to reveal to a person he believes he has one over on.
I also like to present different options. Menagerie Witch covers our bases in terms of Espionage and Operations. Reputation is gonna slightly lacking, but you know what, we've been screwed over by dice in better odds before, and I think this plan may approach in a very ESP and OPR-based anyways (not saying there wouldn't be REP checks). Bringing Maddie, someone who not only looks of 11 years, but is also fairly malnourished, would help pull off the deception and give credence to how "desperate" Justice Unlimited may seem at the surface. Finally, and this is the real reason I made this plan, I'm interested to see the sort of character Wolong is, and how he acts towards a negotiating party of lower position. Overall assess him since we haven't seen him in person even in New Dawn's back issue. So to anyone who wants to pull the wool over Wolong's eyes (note: Ha! Wool over Wolong), vote here now!
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[X] Plan: Bury the Hatchet v.2
Voting this since I overall agree with @LucidProp 's assessment. This is definitely the better plan than what I'm about to present. However...
[X] Plan: Smokes and Mirrors
-[X] Menagerie Witch
-[X] Deceptive. Wolong thinks you're desperate. He doesn't know you know the truth of New Dawn's situation. Let him keep thinking that. See what he's willing to reveal to a person he believes he has one over on.
I also like to present different options. Menagerie Witch covers our bases in terms of Espionage and Operations. Reputation is gonna slightly lacking, but you know what, we've been screwed over by dice in better odds before, and I think this plan may approach in a very ESP and OPR-based anyways (not saying there wouldn't be REP checks). Bringing Maddie, someone who not only looks of 11 years, but is also fairly malnourished, would help pull off the deception and give credence to how "desperate" Justice Unlimited may seem at the surface. Finally, and this is the real reason I made this plan, I'm interested to see the sort of character Wolong is, and how he acts towards a negotiating party of lower position. Overall assess him since we haven't seen him in person even in New Dawn's back issue. So to anyone who wants to pull the wool over Wolong's eyes (note: Ha! Wool over Wolong), vote here now!
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[X] Plan: Bury the Hatchet v.2
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actually is there any reason not bring MW? since shes fully healed has our highest Operations hero and decent enough rep to boost it for when we need to collective roll.
@LucidProp I think its better to bring in MW too it still boost our stats and we need someone for operations roll too, which is part of meeting new dawn.
@LucidProp I think its better to bring in MW too it still boost our stats and we need someone for operations roll too, which is part of meeting new dawn.
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huh, you know what, that's a good question. The vote made it look like we can only bring one, but do we actually know that?
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God. We need to do Cenotaph, and get the reporter so we can do more mad science.
LucidProp
Pocky Eating MafiaDoka
I assume we can only bring one, so I'll stick to that until we get a clarification from Bitterman.
With Black Swan our statline is:
- HIT: 5 + 9 = 14
- ESPIONAGE: 8 + 1 + 3 = 12
- REPUTATION: 4 + 3 + 8 = 15
- OPERATIONS: 5 + 1 + 4 = 10
- HIT: 5 + 3 = 8
- ESPIONAGE: 8 + 1 + 6 = 15
- REPUTATION: 4 + 4 = 8
- OPERATIONS: 5 + 1 + 7 = 13
Looking at this spread, I do think Black Swan is better for this negotiation overall. Our main problem with the conciliatory approach isn't that we don't know things (OPERATION), but rather that we have to convince Wolong that we're being genuine (REPUTATION).
In Wolong's eyes, us trying to meet him as an equal is a bluff to keep Justice Unlimited independent when in truth, it's us showing him respect and courtesy in spite of the fact that he needs us more than we need him.
With Black Swan, we have 3 of the relevant stats at 10 or above, with the most important one (REP) being our highest at 15. With menagerie Witch meanwhile, our REP is below 10 at 8.
Considering the mission's requirements are the following "The Dragon of the New Dawn (AP 2, ESPIONAGE 4, REPUTATION 5, OPERATIONS 3)", we can roughly guess that REP will be the hardest roll, with ESP at 2nd, and OP at 3rd. This goes double for a conciliatory approach.
That, and narratively, I really think Black Swan as the face of Justice Unlimited's new generation, should always be around for these big decisions. Not only to help serve as Lady Leizi's moral compass whenever she doubts herself, but to also train her for future responsibilities as leader.
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