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Is Black Swan X-class because "You have the power to destroy planets in your heart."?
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Alectai
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No, Black Swan is S-Class, like the other super-beings. "Able to destroy the world" apparently isn't enough fo...
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It's... It's not referring to the planet when it calls it out as eXtinction Level, is it @Bitterman ?
X-Class is "This is a threat to the entire universe if used improperly, or at least to the ability for life as we know it to exist" Is that the main distinction?
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It's... It's not referring to the planet when it calls it out as eXtinction Level, is it @Bitterman ?
X-Class is "This is a threat to the entire universe if used improperly, or at least to the ability for life as we know it to exist" Is that the main distinction?
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I've been floating this for a while, but was Scarlet Maturity annoyed at Justicar (privately) for never making her punishments heavier than "go to sleep", "get paralyzed", "lose all sensation" etc. because if she ever made one 'death' he could get an easy power-up by violating whatever Edict she had set to it while inside of the zone?
Alectai
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I don't think Justicar's edicts were strong enough to kill Scarlet Maturity no matter how hard she ramped them up.
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A lot of powers could become extinction level if pushed to the absolute limits. For example if Anteus earthquakes were pushed to the absolute extreme THAT Would cause nigh irreversible damage (just an example)
Apiary is capable of extinction primarily because of her matter Transmutation.
I guess Reality Warping is another possible X class level power, but thats kinda generic.
Hmm... I have a strange feeling that Extinction level might be a combination of FFM, Space time manipulation and something else...
IDK why maybe its the Shin Megami Tensei fan in me.
I remember watching a lets Play of Soul Hackers 2 and in one of the endings the protagonists get control of fundamental forces. I think they Were Space Time, Inertia, Gravity and Heat (not sure).
A X-Class level power is probably a mixture of several sinergies (My guess 4-5 synergies becoming one).
My guess is a mix of A extremely potent FFM, Space time Manipulation, Matter conversion and maybe a Psychic power synergy. But thats just me.
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I know I was talking about how Dynamite counts as X-Class.
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by the way, I was looking back and now we know these were all wrong: It's "Algernon-type".1) Having a bunch of captured meta-humans seems like a little much, but it's possible. I guess you could blame it on America (or look at the Philosopher's clearly-mentally-not-all-there captives). EDIT: Or the prison, good point.
2) Wait, I thought Ellie was sorta lying? Does her suit not draw power from the Stage?
As a fun* game to play while we wait for the Moratorium to end, what do people think the ? stand for?
7-4... Phantom-Nora? Specter-Nora? Ghostly-Nora? VALIANT-BLUE?
*ymmv
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Hmm... I wonder How Apiary Matter conversion would Interact with Zeno's Space time. And then add a potent psychic's range to it...
Would it basically be a Time Eater Scenario?
Erasing time into nothingness? With a inmense range?
WHo knows.
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Would it basically be a Time Eater Scenario?
Erasing time into nothingness? With a inmense range?
WHo knows.
Well its 12 Am and its Dec 31. Im dropping out an probably wont be around for an entire year.
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To be honest, I want to see an Algernon with Apiary. Put that big brain to creating and really push that Matter Conversion to maximum potential.
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Oh, I see, I misinterpreted what you meant.
I'd say we could absolutely create an X-class powerset without invoking Apiary, honestly. Given Bitterman's previous comments on how the powerset we put together with Dynamite scales... Well, if it's purely about having the potential to destroy the planet, we could probably just put together Novalight, Crimson Soprano and maybe Antaeus together and possibly come up with some form of FFM that could end the planet.
It's a very dangerous power, assuming we don't need the consent of the dead. This is why we have to Cast In The Name of Good.
Huh. Fits with the bonus we saw. But that isn't 7-4?
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Considering our current Dynamite build is 10+ Potency higher than the likes of King and Scarlet Maturity, it might be hard to not make an X-class build for Dynamite.
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So this is why Bitterman said he might've made Dynamite too good…
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Don't worry, I think I solved that problem!
Well yeh unless its reveal going for a Potency 20+ has bad side effects to ellie or the worlds. I'm never gonna vote for Low Potency Combination since ellie wouldnt have the time to hone her skills and punch up using whatevr powerset she gets.
Apiary+Adamant is the only Low Potency Meta I'm willing and thats because Adamant infinite mass works way too well with Apiary matter conversion.
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I'll be honest, the one set I'm really interested in doing, hypothetically, is Red Huntress/Nox/Feth Faida, if only because it seems like combo city with all those tags.
I also have some flavorful, thematic ones, the big one being a Zeno/Nox/choose one of Memoria or Crimson Soprano one for beating up White Hawk or whatever the Horae Guard proper are doing.
I also have some flavorful, thematic ones, the big one being a Zeno/Nox/choose one of Memoria or Crimson Soprano one for beating up White Hawk or whatever the Horae Guard proper are doing.
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3 Algernon-types, so pretty much
Osanyin + Valiant Red + Vulcan
Osanyin + Valiant Red + Vulcan
A big gamble but honestly could lead to majore breakthrough if we took the risk.3 Algernon-types, so pretty much
Osanyin + Valiant Red + Vulcan
Though Funny enough Nora shows how an Algernon would be using buffing Ops roll and probably mastery of whater power we get.
Memoria would give us Telekinesis at High Potency atleast.
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Given how Valkyrie was present in Ellie's part of the Stage, and given how her looking into us was a straight-up diceroll (with the other options being the other voices), yeah, I don't imagine we'll use Dynamite very frivolously. The Leviathan, Hand or the Interlocutor looking in on Ellie while she does what she does is... a scary prospect. They, Augur and all the psychics on the planet are also aware that something is happening.
This is a good downside. It makes Dynamite something that should not be something used unless we're certain that the consequence of not using it would be worse - death or worse for someone.
While we're on the topic, I just remembered something: Someone speculated the other day that Wolong's [Analytical Precognition] is a synergy dependent on True Telepathy.
I was a bit skeptical about the idea because he doesn't seem to have any telepathy himself, but on second thought, I could kinda see that being the case because of all the synergies we've discovered ever since we got the rolls. It's possible that Wolong was having a normal day at the office and then got some awareness of what Ellie did, and a lot of puzzle pieces suddenly slotted into place due to the feedback of the power she was channeling.
Socialite Butterfly seemed to think that Seraph was the first 'real' telepath she had, but looking at Justiciar's powerset, we know she also had True Telepathy, which makes me wonder: did she maybe never use that telepathy outside of issuing Edicts, and that's why SB didn't know? Or is it that her power's expression of True Telepathy was sufficiently differently from Seraph's that that issuing out Edicts was all she could with hers?
I'm leaning more towards the latter interpretation, meaning that Wolong's expression of Analytical Precognition simply doesn't lean so much on the hypothetical Telepathic component.
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Honestly when Bitterman mentioned the 9 word synergy is X-class, I just thought "isn't that just Apiary?" When I look at Matter-Conversion, I think of Transmutation or Biokinesis on a higher level. Something with several Transformation tags is bound to have a side-effect involving Permanent Dysmorphic Transformation.
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I mean... SM is not actually using his power very well, in terms of if he wanted to ramp up.
The method would be to convince some nobody 1-5 potency to take a power up, then immediately kill yourself, eat them, and repeat until strong enough to conquer the world.
SM just has 'honor' of his own twisted kind. Which is why he isn't a villain, just a murderous asshole.
So... something that could trigger a false vacuum collapse? Tear a hole between universes? Rewrite the fundamental structure of reality permanently?
Obviously the Catch-22 22 would be X class, given 13 was S class, and their reality warping was ramping up exponentially. This is also why I'm fairly certain the catch-22 are not a metahuman.
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I don't think the Catch-22 really count as a metahuman, though.
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Oh, I agree, I was just thinking in terms of what we should be thinking about for comparison. The Catch-22 are... something else.