I'll be honest, I haven't been keeping up with chat but this last chapter really solidified something for me that I haven't been feeling more and more as the quest went on.

Namely, that the rolls don't matter and only serve as window dressing for bitterman to write the scenes they want.

Now, as someone who has grown more and more fond of narrative quests, and who especially loves the sort of system that Petals of Carbon Steel uses where there is no choice which wins it all, and you're choosing your priorities and accepting some loss with each choice, I don't mind that trend. I think that's a lot of fun, more so than just winning every roll and steamrolling things.

But it does feel dishonest in these updates to pretend that the dice rolls are what's determining success
I'm sorry to hear you feel that way, but in what way did it give you the impression that the dice ain't determining certain flows of the story? What sort of expectation were you imposing that it made you feel that way? While narrative weight does indeed bear certain weight in certain scenes with dice involved, that does not necessarily mean dice doesn't affect flavor and turning points? How would you define 'window dressing' in this case? Like the dice is just there for extra effect when it doesn't really? Cause I can very much tell you that is not the case. I don't know how "dishonest" can one be when the dice is literally being rolled in thread publicly with a bunch of people present. Actually you should know about that cause I've literally seen you around during at least one of those dice rolls.

While I won't deny that there are definitely rolls that feel like it's there as an accessory to the narrative (i.e. Mona beating Scarlet Maturity, Yara dying and reviving) I can definitely tell you that doesn't necessarily mean dice isn't affecting stuff? (i.e. Rhys almost dying, Wolong getting steamrolled in ND negotiations, Us steamrolling Crusade at the start, the Yard fight). In the latest update, there have indeed been narrative bonuses that make the scenario lean towards success, but like Bitterman has also always been explicit that plans that put weight to "interesting scenarios" will get narrative bonus? Which makes me confused on what's there to be dishonest on?
 
I originally planned to have Mona not be in this fight. VJ was supposed to take her out with his psychic siphon and then the overall battle was going to be as much about saving/reviving her as protecting Yara. Then you hit a nat20 and I had to scramble.

While I won't deny that there are definitely rolls that feel like it's there as an accessory to the narrative (i.e. Mona beating Scarlet Maturity, Yara dying and reviving)

Even those are based on your choices. If you hadn't given her the symbiote, she wouldn't have made the sacrificial play.
 
Let me guess Crusade was gonna kidnap BS and Basically Mind Control her into their beatstick?

QM if we put using power Null to stop Memoria from teleporting would we have rolled for it?
 
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...do you think SB asked Faust to copy Scarlet Maturity, or asked SM himself? Or did she do the Whaaa? Trick on him as well?

I would say that having Mona tell him during the baseball dinner talk might create some chaos, but I'm almost dead certain SM would take it in stride. He probably values cunning as equally as he does strength.

I don't think there's any circumstance in which Scarlet Maturity would tolerate letting some little bitch copy him. He respects game, but someone who scurries around behind a SEP field and gets handed power again and again without actually doing anything with it would... Irritate him, from what little I understand of him so far.

If Faust actually helped SB set up copying him, I can see that as driving a fairly major wedge between their association. So unless Faust effectively has SM by the balls (Which doesn't feel right), somehow revealing that would be very useful to us.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by chickenbouillon on Dec 26, 2024 at 6:37 PM, finished with 110 posts and 47 votes.

Looks like Cruel Angel is winning so far!
 
I mean, for all that, apparently we're still getting the 1 AP "Not the worst but far from the best" version of Reality Check. So whatever's happening, it suggests SB is going to escape somehow or be revived by some Mysteries bullshit (Because she managed to get contact with Yara, which means she can clone her as far as I can tell), or Yara's functionally going to be eliminated, turning it into an "Us vs Them" (And They are backed by a conspiracy that wants to fuck us over on principle).

I swear to god if it's going to be "You died for a second and that means your shares defaulted to (Such and such) and now you have to prove that the shares didn't default to me" nonsense though...

That Should be so fucking flagrant that you'd never be able to say that bald-facedly. But this is Horizon, where there's at Least three conspiracies full of S-Listers who control Literally Everything, and they all seem to hate us on a personal, fundamental level for some reason. So who knows. Crusade's name should be mud after this shitshow. But we already know they're going to skirt off scot free aside from losing Seraph, because their backers will just bury any of the dirt that makes them look bad.
 
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Unless Scarlet Maturity's base power is just boosting other people's powers, and he only became able to claim the interest payment once his power was boosted by SB's clone of him.

Actually i dont think the timeline works on that? How old is SB anyway? And timeline or not I don't think either of them would trust the other enough to do that expiriment
 
Unless Scarlet Maturity's base power is just boosting other people's powers, and he only became able to claim the interest payment once his power was boosted by SB's clone of him.

Actually i dont think the timeline works on that? How old is SB anyway? And timeline or not I don't think either of them would trust the other enough to do that expiriment

It doesn't, SM has been active longer than SB has been alive.

His power has always been "Give out loans to other people in the form of power. When something kills me, I get to cash in on the loan by reclaiming the power, plus significant interest (Which kills the target, maybe not back in the day when he was weaker, but now it most definitely does), which makes me stronger." He's just had decades to build on that until he's unstoppable.
 
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Uh 1 Ap Reality Check is best but most dangerous if I remember right.

It doesn't, SM has been active longer than SB has been alive.

His power has always been "Give out loans to other people in the form of power. When something kills me, I get to cash in on the loan by reclaiming the power, plus significant interest, which makes me stronger." He's just had decades to build on that until he's unstoppable.
Also we learned that stealing SM core and eating it is a perfectly Valid way to get a power boost
 
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Uh 1 Ap Reality Check is best but most dangerous if I remember right.

I thought there was a 2 Ap one that was better, and not dangerous, but just involved more time and energy spent on it? But apparently could only be unlocked by a perfect run of this mission where SB didn't actually touch Yara despite all the grotesque advantages that gave her the ability to do so?
 
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SB hasn't touch Yara yet, because she has spent far too much time monolouging.
As both Lady Leizi once said :V
"Ellie, it will accomplish your goal of 'getting close' and allow us to see what information we can extract from Yellow Qilin about her plans," you explain, "No enemy is more free with their words than one who believes they have the upper hand."

"Villain monologues. Right," Ellie replies.
 
...do you think SB asked Faust to copy Scarlet Maturity, or asked SM himself? Or did she do the Whaaa? Trick on him as well?

I would say that having Mona tell him during the baseball dinner talk might create some chaos, but I'm almost dead certain SM would take it in stride. He probably values cunning as equally as he does strength.
Ask? lol, no, I think she is incapable of that.

SM I think would be mostly annoyed that he never got the chance to fight her.
 
To be honest, I think Lady Leizi would have a habit of monologuing if she wasn't a squishy human.

Well, Double L was orignally meant to be a minor antagonist. So, monologues might still have occured.

Fun fact, LL is the last member of Justice Unlimited I came up with. She was a minor antagonist for a while, but I liked writing her and she made the JU dynamic more interesting.

This whole setting comes from an unwritten story where Valiant Silver was the main character. The events of that story are what happened ten years ago and inform much of the back issues.
 
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