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Also demons later realizing the planet has multiple high tech level alien races watching it at all times, new gods, old gods, titans, primordials, several Endless, Trigon, A lord of order and lord of chaos, etc etc and then they wonder if its possible to lock earth away from hell for the safety of the rest of existence, get their one good deed for the Eternity out of the way.

edit: Seal away the Earth, finally die for some reason, end up in Super Hell getting judged by Super Satan
Super Satan: "How the Super Hell do you all have enough positive Karma to ascend to Super Heaven!?"
Random Demon: "We sealed away the Earth."
 
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famfrit said:
Won't work she repaid the favour and even tho it only cost her half a million dollars which is only about a third of what people were expecting she somehow didn't have the cash for it and had to arrange for a loan from her mum.
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I'd imagine that this Wonder Woman has quite a lot of money in assets. Between her age in the JLU Universe and the overall wealth of Themyscira it wouldn't be surprising in the slightest.

But having Value isn't the same as having Capital. Properties such as lands or material goods, assets like securities and bonds and such are all counted as part of an individual's wealth but it takes time to convert that back into liquid cash assuming it's not locked behind various time-based obstacles like thirty-year bonds or such.

I know that it's 'impressive' to showcase a character having a massively inflated savings account but that's rarely how money management really works.

Also?

Does anyone know what a group of near-immortal people would consider a 'short term' loan?
 
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Also?

Does anyone know what a group of near-immortal people would consider a 'short term' loan?
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I mean it's an interesting question. (Even if it's rhetorical)

Time is one of those things where the value is decided by the beholder and it's likely on a per situation basis, so the real question is "How much cash flow does Themyscira have?" which means you'd need to consider their impact on the global economy and trade, I guess?

I don't think Tourism would be a thing for them but they obviously have embassies. Beyond that, what would they buy and sell? I've got no idea, they lived in isolation for centuries (So they must be self sufficient) and they don't have a growing population. This similarly lowers their requirements for materials but they've had access to "Man's world" for around a century -so they've likely grabbed most of what they desire beyond perishables.
 
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Does anyone know what a group of near-immortal people would consider a 'short term' loan?
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"Century and a day" comes to mind as a play off the "Year and a day" if it is meant to be short term for them.

If short term loans are 6 months to a year for those with a human lifespan, just take the average expected lifespan of your near immortals to figure out the multiple. Thousand year lifespan would be roughly a decade, ten thousand year lifespan would be the century, and so forth.
 
I'd always sort of figured that Themyscira would be a consumer of luxuries like entertainment while producing a limited amount of masterwork crafts.

Wines? They wouldn't have been hit by the French Grape Blight that saw most of the world switching over to the California grape. And their vintners would have been practicing their craft for literally thousands of years, perfecting their seeds, their soil and just about every other detail they could imagine. On top of that, they're closer geographically and spiritually to the harvest goddess Demeter which may further improve the quality of their materials.

The same with their smiths and jewelers. I could easily imagine an intermediary selling a 'Genuine masterwork Themysciran knife! Made by a woman whose been practicing her craft for two-thousand years!'

So low-volume but high value trading. Or, that's about what I'd think. I'm no economist, though, so I could be completely off base.
 
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"Wait. There are no innocent souls in Hell anymore!?" Diana shouted.
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The Demon shrugged. "There weren't for awhile. But after the Chaos settled down a bit, operations started up again. Just not anywhere on Earth, or any plane that has Alchemist present at the time. At least not anything that would call Constantine's attention on us, and by extension make Alchemist pay attention again. Even Trigon has put a hold on all his invasion plans for Earth if Alchemist is on it at that time."
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Seriously most of the time the people who end up in *ell are probably not that good already, Like for all that people can go on about 'The Temptation of the Devil' the 'Devil' probably only goes for easy targets, People that would end up below anyways. I've even seen it brought up in a Fic Featuring Cards against Humanity that Virgin Sacrifice Actually is horribly inefficient and (potentially reviled for Uh 'lack of experience' to paraphrase) Like you have no real way to tell if a Sacrifice is a virgin,,, without uh potentially removing that, Unless you are Sacrificing Children... And Ok I just got shudders from going through THAT Statement from how disturbing the whole thing is
 
it honestly annoys me how infantilizing this whole argument is. Put up a sign saying "No Poisonhealing Magic after here" in front of a cancer ward and done. SOOO HARD -.-
the whole bullshit about consequences is nonsense even in dc.

"But what about using magic to poisen/summon demon/hurt someone".

I didn't know laws cared about which tool you used to hurt someone....

honestly those are the arguments of someone who watched law and order not someone from a stable country whit a stable legislature (this excludes country like syria, noth korea, russia and the us, because they are to corrupt to count, have civil wars or are so dictatorial that their laws are just a facade).

honestly those kind of arguments are shit and wouldn't stand in the real world nor in DC (Justice Lords excluded, due to dictatorial facade for example).

also those are outlier arguments.

if everyone has magic one bad apple isn't much of a problem and unlike guns, here this argument is sound due to bannishment- and healing magic....
 
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I'd always sort of figured that Themyscira would be a consumer of luxuries like entertainment while producing a limited amount of masterwork crafts.

Wines? They wouldn't have been hit by the French Grape Blight that saw most of the world switching over to the California grape. And their vintners would have been practicing their craft for literally thousands of years, perfecting their seeds, their soil and just about every other detail they could imagine. On top of that, they're closer geographically and spiritually to the harvest goddess Demeter which may further improve the quality of their materials.

The same with their smiths and jewelers. I could easily imagine an intermediary selling a 'Genuine masterwork Themysciran knife! Made by a woman whose been practicing her craft for two-thousand years!'

So low-volume but high value trading. Or, that's about what I'd think. I'm no economist, though, so I could be completely off base.
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Heritage crops, luxury products like Honey made with pure Greek-Anatolian subspecies of honeybee, with flowers and water untouched by pollution and radiation. Masterwork arts and crafts, enchanted weapons and armor, etc
 
Mister Ficser said:
I'd imagine that this Wonder Woman has quite a lot of money in assets. Between her age in the JLU Universe and the overall wealth of Themyscira it wouldn't be surprising in the slightest.

But having Value isn't the same as having Capital. Properties such as lands or material goods, assets like securities and bonds and such are all counted as part of an individual's wealth but it takes time to convert that back into liquid cash assuming it's not locked behind various time-based obstacles like thirty-year bonds or such.

I know that it's 'impressive' to showcase a character having a massively inflated savings account but that's rarely how money management really works.

Also?

Does anyone know what a group of near-immortal people would consider a 'short term' loan?
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that depends on region, European immortals will be far more long term then other immortals, not because of them being older but because they will be basing it on the age of banks, most medieval banks went under because the sovering refused to pay back

ras al ghoul considers 100 years a long term not because it is for him, but because no country is the same in the middle east as it was 100 years ago

you have to remember most governments on earth cannot be said to be over 100 years old, so the average age since a goverment/dynasty was changed or it experienced a coup

also she absolutely was massively scammed by the New York times, as a famous superhero from ww2 she shouldn't even have gotten to 250k for the add, especially not in 2004 money

like a single interview should have been enough to pay for the add

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I'd always sort of figured that Themyscira would be a consumer of luxuries like entertainment while producing a limited amount of masterwork crafts.

Wines? They wouldn't have been hit by the French Grape Blight that saw most of the world switching over to the California grape. And their vintners would have been practicing their craft for literally thousands of years, perfecting their seeds, their soil and just about every other detail they could imagine. On top of that, they're closer geographically and spiritually to the harvest goddess Demeter which may further improve the quality of their materials.

The same with their smiths and jewelers. I could easily imagine an intermediary selling a 'Genuine masterwork Themysciran knife! Made by a woman whose been practicing her craft for two-thousand years!'

So low-volume but high value trading. Or, that's about what I'd think. I'm no economist, though, so I could be completely off base.
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much like Japan, they produce quality over quantity, but their yields will naturally be low due to not having all the advancements

they could also have their own exclusive varieties of fruits and produce, since they personally can create new crops thru selection, even of long-lived species like dates

you also have 2000-year-old olive trees, and know their taste profile by memory, capable of blending them into perfect olive oil, since they know them by memory, and the skill to mix the right olives together comes with time

small enchanted scalpels will also be popular, a small knife as sharp as obsidian that doesn't leave pieces would be very wanted by medical professionals, some surgeons actually still forge their own tools, so having your personal knife to do surgery is something the best surgeons may invest in

but the main thing they will sell is the purple ray, even working only on women the few rich enough to go to the island for treatment would be able to pay for it and receive it

like tamaschyra is one of the few ways in DC that you have to cure cancer guaranteed, and it only works if you are a woman

this also makes sense for them to give all that money for Diana with no questions asked, they have vast investments in the medical field, and the less women die from common ailments the more chances they have of aquiring wealth and developing something that needs the purple ray to cure
 
Interestingly, (depending on the specific universe) Themyscira is also an entire population of super-powered people.
(That's not always true, but is frequently enough.)

Certainly, they aren't as strong as Diana, but universal supernatural strength and stamina can change the scale of what's possible for a population.
 
Hi Mr. Ficser!

I was re-reading the story, and does the Star Labs with the throw away mention of the lady that may or may not hate Conner from a different Earth in Star Labs, was there a resolution to that, or will there be? The part where the Star Labs people had a weird Contract which was why Alchemist came back with Player one with Amazo's remains.

Sorry if this has been asked, or if it's annoying, I just never saw it seemingly resolved, aside from pausing STAR LABS as their go to for any tech that they find.
 
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Mister Ficser said:
I'd always sort of figured that Themyscira would be a consumer of luxuries like entertainment while producing a limited amount of masterwork crafts.

Wines? They wouldn't have been hit by the French Grape Blight that saw most of the world switching over to the California grape. And their vintners would have been practicing their craft for literally thousands of years, perfecting their seeds, their soil and just about every other detail they could imagine. On top of that, they're closer geographically and spiritually to the harvest goddess Demeter which may further improve the quality of their materials.

The same with their smiths and jewelers. I could easily imagine an intermediary selling a 'Genuine masterwork Themysciran knife! Made by a woman whose been practicing her craft for two-thousand years!'

So low-volume but high value trading. Or, that's about what I'd think. I'm no economist, though, so I could be completely off base.
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I had a similar idea but then you've got transport to consider. I think it's sometimes mentioned that they rarely visit man's world (and their island typically has protection against outsiders which has nuances that differs throughout the DC multiverse, I think I remember seeing a port for trade in one instance? But I'm assuming that's not the case), so perhaps most of their 'cash' would be in metals? Likely a steady flow of wines, arts and weapons being sold over the centuries to nearbye countries and it would supplement their likely martial economy.

Truth be told, they seem similar to elves in this regard, that being: Isolationistic immortals with something akin to a superiority complex. Not quite the same but it might be an idea to look into how elven trade is explored in different settings. Though the similarities will be few considering the nigh ban on magic in mans world.

Tldr; if they rely on the occasional high value trades and mostly deal in metals then it'd lean on the longer side.
 
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FF magic seems well designed so I think it can use the targets understanding of good versus bad poison but this is a fair concern I never thought of. Taking that idea further, let's see how many other unintended side effects I can think of.

Antidepressants, organ transplant meds, contraceptives, steroids, hormone regulation or suppression.

I'm sure there are a ton more I just can't think of while in bed and even more I have no knowledge of at all.
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It's literally everything. All medicines are poisons. They're all about changing how your body works "naturally"; it's just that sometimes the thing that a body does "naturally" is not desired (like dying when you're sick), which is the whole point of taking medicine in the first place.

Honestly though the histrionics seen overblown:

View: https://youtu.be/zGEiK9StSfQ?si=XWNss1DGPjy9SipG
 
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Aloquaki said:
Hi Mr. Ficser!

I was re-reading the story, and does the Star Labs with the throw away mention of the lady that may or may not hate Conner from a different Earth in Star Labs, was there a resolution to that, or will there be? The part where the Star Labs people had a weird Contract which was why Alchemist came back with Player one with Amazo's remains.

Sorry if this has been asked, or if it's annoying, I just never saw it seemingly resolved, aside from pausing STAR LABS as their go to for any tech that they find.
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You're fine! It's not annoying at all.

I've been adding some fairly large time skips in the TT segments so we can hurry through them and get back to the YJ universe so we can get back to those plot points.

Star Labs isn't intended to be a major plot point but I have had a resolution chapter to it planned since I wrote the initial one. It involves the missing materials being used for a purpose in a way they certainly were not intended for by a person who very definitely should not be there in the first place.

Any more than that might spoil things ;)

DonDrurugia said:
it honestly annoys me how infantilizing this whole argument is. Put up a sign saying "No Poisonhealing Magic after here" in front of a cancer ward and done. SOOO HARD -.-
the whole bullshit about consequences is nonsense even in dc.

"But what about using magic to poisen/summon demon/hurt someone".

I didn't know laws cared about which tool you used to hurt someone....

honestly those are the arguments of someone who watched law and order not someone from a stable country whit a stable legislature (this excludes country like syria, noth korea, russia and the us, because they are to corrupt to count, have civil wars or are so dictatorial that their laws are just a facade).

honestly those kind of arguments are shit and wouldn't stand in the real world nor in DC (Justice Lords excluded, due to dictatorial facade for example).

also those are outlier arguments.

if everyone has magic one bad apple isn't much of a problem and unlike guns, here this argument is sound due to bannishment- and healing magic....
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While I could make an argument about the distinction between Assault, and Assault with a Deadly Weapon in regards to the law, I'd rather address your actual point.

People in-universe caring about the spell.

For the most part, as seen in how Wonder Woman and Batman were both responding, they're largely ambivalent slash cautiously hopeful. Even the mages (That aren't John Constantine) don't consider it to be a threat.

Instead, their concern is the number of below-average numbskulls that will be going 'Well, shucks! Iffen this here anti-alcohol spell works, why not some a them other sorts of spells! I heard they do this stuff with rum and chicken blood down south. Now... how many points does a pentagram have?'

Sometimes, summoning a demon requires a specific spell, a special ritual, maybe even an anchor like a puzzle box.

Other times? All it takes it a bit of magic and an invitation.
 
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To borrow @Mister Ficser's take on Sturgeon's Law, 90% of magical spells available to Earth's public is just fantasy and wishful thinking, 90% of what isn't is a scam by someone hoping to get some poor fool to buy them more time before their soul gets eaten by some gribbly or said gribbly fishing. The 1% that isn't a scam is gatekept by people who learnt the hard way how to use magic responsibly.

Most DC humans don't have the innate power to do more that read cantrips from a book but even so you get things like Green Arrow #37. A vengeful man finds a spell that summons law enforcers to earth. Said law enforcers were actually meant for worlds where the inhabitants need to be told, with diagrams and summary executions, that cannibalism and murder are bad and try to von neuman the earth into a police state with summary execution for any and all crimes. Even the Lawful Evil stuff is dangerous.
 
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Bored suburban housewife: over a pentagram with blood of the neighbors 6 y/o's skinned knee on a hankerchief casting cure poison to summon a demon. A demon of pestilence is summoned with the equivalent to a vicious punch to the danglies and reacts accordingly upon arrival. John Constantine must deal with this enough to hate everything forever.
 
Mister Ficser said:
You're fine! It's not annoying at all.

I've been adding some fairly large time skips in the TT segments so we can hurry through them and get back to the YJ universe so we can get back to those plot points.

Star Labs isn't intended to be a major plot point but I have had a resolution chapter to it planned since I wrote the initial one. It involves the missing materials being used for a purpose in a way they certainly were not intended for by a person who very definitely should not be there in the first place.

Any more than that might spoil things ;)



While I could make an argument about the distinction between Assault, and Assault with a Deadly Weapon in regards to the law, I'd rather address your actual point.

People in-universe caring about the spell.

For the most part, as seen in how Wonder Woman and Batman were both responding, they're largely ambivalent slash cautiously hopeful. Even the mages (That aren't John Constantine) don't consider it to be a threat.

Instead, their concern is the number of below-average numbskulls that will be going 'Well, shucks! Iffen this here anti-alcohol spell works, why not some a them other sorts of spells! I heard they do this stuff with rum and chicken blood down south. Now... how many points does a pentagram have?'

Sometimes, summoning a demon requires a specific spell, a special ritual, maybe even an anchor like a puzzle box.

Other times? All it takes it a bit of magic and an invitation.
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You should invite The Family to DC so all the demon lizard alien demons get the summoning.

Maybe Al can set up his own network of safe things to summon and release custom spells to summon them. Of course, the summoned critters cast a curse on their summoners that prevents them from casting other summoning spells...
 
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Well, with a 'illusion of a god' he hit someone faster than time. with a single spell he reflected it so hard that even the reflection of a reflection of a reflection cured cancer (and cause villains' madness to be gone).

the same person seems to be capable enough to make magical gear in a scale that would make a modern industry proud. And I will assume that some of the helpers with the heroes share that info with the govern.

And you still can send his letter, even bomb letter without the kind of retribution that Major Magic Users are know of cough cough black adam cough cough circie cough cough greek gods.

...so yeah I would imagine the govern put him in the side of heroes and just try prepare a super weapon or two. And regret it far latter.

More people in the govern now know that hell exist...
...and that the damned can leave after all :D

better prepare for that literal doom day instead :D :p

p,s: oh, and he is part of "cabal" of magical users that seems down to Earth and friendly with each other. the experts helping the govern should know how rare that is. how scary that is. and why they should let the (kek) dragons sleep down. much less when they give such good bribes.

gothan tax return will be good this year. maybe the total will be less than 50% bruce wayne taxes this year (he pays the most he can) :D :p
 
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Bored suburban housewife: over a pentagram with blood of the neighbors 6 y/o's skinned knee on a hankerchief casting cure poison to summon a demon. A demon of pestilence is summoned with the equivalent to a vicious punch to the danglies and reacts accordingly upon arrival. John Constantine must deal with this enough to hate everything forever.
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I think the threat is more like: Suburban housewife who learned and uses cure poison spell to get rid of hangover finds out husband is cheating on her; she figures if one kind of magic works, maybe others do too, so draws a sketchy circle, adds some blood, and uses the magic she's been tapping into to try and summon a demon to punish her unfaithful spouse.

Maybe it works and there's a demon running around trying to kill someone.

Maybe it works but the demon wasn't actually bound and is now sowing chaos.

Maybe it fails, but works enough that the barrier between earth and hell is thin enough for things to cross through with enough effort.

Maybe it fails and nothing happens at all.

It's a crapshoot.
 
Mister Ficser said:
I'd always sort of figured that Themyscira would be a consumer of luxuries like entertainment while producing a limited amount of masterwork crafts.

Wines? They wouldn't have been hit by the French Grape Blight that saw most of the world switching over to the California grape. And their vintners would have been practicing their craft for literally thousands of years, perfecting their seeds, their soil and just about every other detail they could imagine. On top of that, they're closer geographically and spiritually to the harvest goddess Demeter which may further improve the quality of their materials.

The same with their smiths and jewelers. I could easily imagine an intermediary selling a 'Genuine masterwork Themysciran knife! Made by a woman whose been practicing her craft for two-thousand years!'

So low-volume but high value trading. Or, that's about what I'd think. I'm no economist, though, so I could be completely off base.
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As a note, in the DC/Fables crossover, one of the big budget items at a major Gotham Smuggling ring was a Themysciran sword, so there is definitely a market.
 
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