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Put me down for saying 'Wrath' is Noa's flaw.
Pound the Table | An X-Men Self-Insert
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Uncle JJJ: with great power comes great accountability
I never argued that if my convoluted plot happened Noa wouldn't have any counter argument. The bullshit she had to endure in the first case convinced me more than enough.
frozenchicken
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A rich client who wants to prove their defamer wrong to the point of humiliation rather than a settlement, the knowledge that the defamation is fundamentally incorrect, and the chance to influence case law regarding a topic with personal interest. If Nora doesn't enjoy working on this case, she's not living her life to the fullest.
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Magneto did this, I'm almost certain. Fits with his mindset.
owlmessenger
Parts Guy Extraordinaire
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From the other side of the coin, as a straight dude who puts in the effort to look put together, I also do the wincing.
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
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What the death of on of the Stacy family?
And as for the flaw? She Sonderless. And also greedy.
I...think you're looking at this from the wrong angle.
Sure, it's possible to construe literally any event on Marvel Earth as something maybe some mutant or other super did. That's not actually something possible to investigate, though.
However, when one conspirator kills another conspirator, you don't need an imagined semi-omnipotent third party to create a criminal interpretation of that.
ExNihilo
SPACE!
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Huh, I wonder what Peter thinks about Noa at this point. There's a bit of dangerous, even if he's not entirely sure why at this point, and objectively he's been technically in a negative light both times she's brought him up, but he's probably smart enough to realize the first was for a good cause and the second was talking JJJ into a more reasonable position. And yes, if he was listening in at the door, well, his opinions on JJJ and Noa are very different than if he hadn't been.
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Wasn't Adidas USA based out of New Jersey during the 1980s? And the USTA was in Manhattan during the late 80s too.
And as somebody from the outside looking in, it is not as if stereotypes of all stripes aren't applied by people who should know better.
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I see it more Practically personally.
This is Nora's First Case with her new Firm and it's got a lot of scandal, drama, and Interest going on in it, all tied together with the Client giving the go ahead to be as theatric and public as possible.
Nora's betting on Winning, and with the blank check she's been written she'll be able to make a huge splash for her Firm's Reputation by pulling out all the stops and doing a double whammy of humiliating her opposition and setting down (eventual) multi-billion dollar legal precedent.
It's a lot of money to put down for one Case, especially if her Client isn't covering it, but the practical benefits in reputation, fame, and notoriety will pay dividends for the rest of Nora's career.
I wouldn't be surprised if this case firmly establishes Nora as The Dreaded in Law Circles, especially when DAs who ride dirty against her seem to keep dropping like flies
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Oh they absolutely would. Let's be real, they're college students. Noa is massively overpaying.
But she also wants them as motivated as humanly possible... and if you dangle a particularly large prize in front of someone, with the only thing between it and them being a physical feat, what's more likely: they stop at one and say "alright, I did my best, good enough"?
Or they become filled with [DETERMINATION] to keep going, emboldened by dollar signs, the dream of telling their student loan payments to go fuck off, and being able to have the best and snazziest stuff compared to everyone else on campus?
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Uh, I've never heard of that. Granted, I'm a guy but is that just a myth Noa believes or?
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The thing for Noa is that if she wins this case then it puts her law firm on the map, even if she's overpaying to do it, it's going to pay back because of the amount of other work a high profile win here get her.
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
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… Ok, I gotta go off on a bit of self-indulgent tangent because I don't know how much of the comic Noa knows, or even is canon for this story, but it's all very similar and I have a shallow need to be praised for successfully googling stuff.
So for those who don't keep up with comics, there was this little plot arc for Spectacular Spider-Man back in 2017. In the issue "My dinner with Jonah", Spider-Man agrees to give Jonah an exclusive interview over dinner in his apartment. There's stuff about Peter having a secret half-sister, Jonah's long since lost the Bugle, but that's not important right now.
The big thing is that Jonah's decade long grudge, to the point he's created a villain or lethal manhunt on multiple occasions to kill Spider-Man, because Jonah thinks the only person capable of making Spider-Man accountable is himself. And he has such a blind, all-consuming vendetta… Because he got his first and second wife killed.
Joan Jameson, Wayne'd in an alley by a masked mugger after she begged Jonah not to fight back. Marla Madison, took a blow from "Spider-Slayer" Smythe mid-Spider-brawl and begged him with her dying words to not "waste any more of your life on hate".
As far as I know, the earlier jealousy over not being a successful superhero to the people himself hasn't been retconned, but the fact he's lost the person closest to him twice by a masked killer left an impact compounded by the childhood abuse.
The real bombshell of the interview was Peter Parker unmasked to Jameson, when the former realized just how broken and alone the man had become. Showed that he did have a friend in Peter, in Spider-Man. And that part about the "royalty" account isn't far from the source material: Jonah views Peter as something of a second son, even helped Peter evade SHIELD and NYPD to find the truth on Teresa Parker and the Tinkerer. They have a great dynamic the rest of the Tinkerer arc up to issue 307, even when it gets into Comic Book Wierdness.
It's a time travel causality-alien invasion-universe hopping road trip story. Weirdness!
How much of all this is tied to this story, I don't know, but it's very much a difficult spot for Noa to bring up if she does know and it has occurred. She doesn't know Jameson like she does other characters, discussing a deeply personal trauma like your wife getting shot in front of you and the culprit never getting caught isn't something she's in a position to do. Which makes his current counter arguments harder to push back against: She knows he's being irrational, under the surface. But without that outside context knowledge, she's got very little.
Hm… I think there's two types of answers that have come close, but I can't say if I can put a definitive name on it either. She's throwing around a ton of money, and is very much going for the throat of her opponent rather than just go for a surefire shot. Some combination of anger and excessive generosity….
"Vengeful Righteousness"? Jules Winfield vibes, you know? Only replace the guns with paperwork.
Blinktwice13
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So after reading some of the reactions, I gotta say...
References aside, October didn't do an awful job? Like I'm weak for a Legally Blonde reference, but the most important thing here is context.
Bears (beefy hairy gays) weren't well-established as a subculture in the male-male queer community until the 80s - in fact, it mostly got off the ground during that time period to divorce itself from the well-kept, clean-shaven mainline subculture. It took off during the AIDS crisis, in fact.
So, a gay man being well put-together in this time period - the 80s, which I am sure is going to have at least one reference to said crisis - just marks him as part of the former subculture.
Further, the man is gay and European - and from the description, white. As a white gay athlete, he falls into a specific mold, the sort of twunk/hunk ideal that a lot of the male-male community held/holds on a pedestal. Setting aside body image and those issues in the community, the sterotype exists because it was considered desirable in those circles.
On another note, this image was ubiquitous enough that in '94 the term 'metrosexual' was coined because the trend of straight/heterosexual men adopting that level of self-maintenance. Like, it was shorthand for 'wow, you're looking pretty clean - you sure you're just into chicks?'
So yes, while today in the year 2022 such a portrayal is stereotypical and can be interpreted as a poor jab for a reference, if one considers the time period and culture being written in it's actually decently true-to-life.
/rant
Sources: A bit of quick googling and a couple queer history classes back in college.
References aside, October didn't do an awful job? Like I'm weak for a Legally Blonde reference, but the most important thing here is context.
Bears (beefy hairy gays) weren't well-established as a subculture in the male-male queer community until the 80s - in fact, it mostly got off the ground during that time period to divorce itself from the well-kept, clean-shaven mainline subculture. It took off during the AIDS crisis, in fact.
So, a gay man being well put-together in this time period - the 80s, which I am sure is going to have at least one reference to said crisis - just marks him as part of the former subculture.
Further, the man is gay and European - and from the description, white. As a white gay athlete, he falls into a specific mold, the sort of twunk/hunk ideal that a lot of the male-male community held/holds on a pedestal. Setting aside body image and those issues in the community, the sterotype exists because it was considered desirable in those circles.
On another note, this image was ubiquitous enough that in '94 the term 'metrosexual' was coined because the trend of straight/heterosexual men adopting that level of self-maintenance. Like, it was shorthand for 'wow, you're looking pretty clean - you sure you're just into chicks?'
So yes, while today in the year 2022 such a portrayal is stereotypical and can be interpreted as a poor jab for a reference, if one considers the time period and culture being written in it's actually decently true-to-life.
/rant
Sources: A bit of quick googling and a couple queer history classes back in college.
Keep in mind, the students will be working in pairs, 1 making the shot and 1 filming, so both would need to be in on any cheating.
Which might make it easier to cheat if they work together, admittedly.
But as long as the shots _are_ possible, they can make money while practicing their skills.
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*Stops and thinks about it for a moment*
Did she remember to have them sign a release of liability form so they can't sue her if they get injured trying to replicate the shots?
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damn, im gay (bi) and nowhere near that preppy or put together, saying that though, i have adhd and a distaste for my assigned gender..
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There's a particular point, the aftermath of the case after this one, that I want to get to before we start looking at the past. It's a very good way to sort of "cap off" that part of the story, and gives a good opportunity to tie off loose ends.
Going by my estimates… I'd say it should be around chapter 22-25 or so where I get that chance.
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...suddenly I need a calendar with major Jewish holidays on it, so I can properly anticipate another chapter of this fucking amazing story.Chag Pesach Sameach!
Have I been making it a bit of a tradition to post chapters during major Jewish holidays? Well, yes.
Has it been on purpose?... Also yes.