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Pound the Table | An X-Men Self-Insert

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LokiTheDarkGod said:
I expect that Noa's former boss will remain a contact she can call on. He doesn't want to fire her but the firm will loose important clients if she doesn't leave. Nothing says he won't be giving her a glowing reference. She's loosing her job, keeping on good terms with her old boss is making the best of a bad situation.
Him bitching making small talk about having to let her go to his 'friends' would help her quite a bit. She's in for an uphill battle she needs all the help she can get.

I hope the jury feel really bad after this. It was all but obvious that this was a railroading.
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I mean. Y'all will see just how much she is "on good terms" with Schmoel "Sam" Lieberman in chapter 14.

Suffice to say: when you have no choice but to leave a job, and your boss fights to make sure you leave on the best footing possible, you know your old boss will be in your corner when push comes to shove.
 
Even earlier on we knew Sam appreciated her skill enough to politic for her and shield her from a few issues(if I'm remembering the conversation before he drops Pyro's case in her lap) and warning her what she's walking in to.

The fact she took what should have been an instant loser to the point where everyone knows the thing is a legal farce, as he said should have been a promotion not a dismissal.
 
October Daye said:
I mean. Y'all will see just how much she is "on good terms" with Schmoel "Sam" Lieberman in chapter 14.

Suffice to say: when you have no choice but to leave a job, and your boss fights to make sure you leave on the best footing possible, you know your old boss will be in your corner when push comes to shove.
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I remember when Sam was introduced in Chapter Two and people were going on about how much of a bigot he was, and now it turns out he's probably going to be one of her most reliable contacts...

By the way, I caught the references to Lieberman and Loeb in the firm's name ;) I'm thinking how well this firm could fit into Freedom City (the setting for the Mutants and Masterminds RPG's original setting, where they made a point of using as many comics creator shout-outs as they could fit in - Ditko Avenue, for example) ;)

I posted this question earlier but I didn't get a response, so I'm posting it again. Sorry if I sound pushy.

From what I saw of the scene with at the end of the trial Judge Andrews did not overtly order the Bailiff to grab and secure Noa, nor did he even warn her that her interruptions were out of line. Can securing someone against their will rather than attacking them or even threatening to attack them be classed as assault? Because if so, as the bailiff was acting as a court officer and therefore a representative of the City of New York, could Noa lodge a civil suit against the City of New York? For that matter, dropping her glamour to appear human was a direct result of resisting the bailiff, which in turn led to her being publicly revealed as a mutant, and the loss of her job as a direct result, could she sue for financial damages or even mental damages (being publicly revealed as an obvious mutant in a trial where the DA focused on anti-mutant rhetoric would be quite stressful) in a civil suit?
 
MJ12 Commando said:
I know most of them weren't actually trials in real life, but given that magic was and is a known historical thing in Marvel comics, in this situation there likely would have been actual legal precedents on how to deal with magicians.
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MJ, I just noticed this comment and was surprised. I mean, we all know that magic has been a major factor in the Marvel universe since the dawn of time, but it's the historical thing that caught me by surprise. So the existence of magic has been formally noted and has formed precedent in the US legal system in the Marvel universe? Not just the legislation mentioned in conjunction with the witchcraft trials but legally recognising the existence of magic? I'm wondering how much precedent that could be used to form for legislation relating to metahumans and superpowers overall.
 
Chaeronea said:
MJ, I just noticed this comment and was surprised. I mean, we all know that magic has been a major factor in the Marvel universe since the dawn of time, but it's the historical thing that caught me by surprise. So the existence of magic has been formally noted and has formed precedent in the US legal system in the Marvel universe? Not just the legislation mentioned in conjunction with the witchcraft trials but legally recognising the existence of magic? I'm wondering how much precedent that could be used to form for legislation relating to metahumans and superpowers overall.
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Not necessarily, because comics work on aesthetic worldbuilding rather than historical worldbuilding. And even there the aesthetic and tone of different lines will be subtly different enough that you could argue that X-Men Marvel is a very different world from Iron Man Marvel which is different from Punisher Marvel which is different from Avengers Marvel.
 
Chaeronea said:
Can securing someone against their will rather than attacking them or even threatening to attack them be classed as assault?
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False imprisonment is the one you're looking for. And yes, Noa does have a claim against the City of New York.

That said, discretion is the better part of valor. And right after being outed as a mutant, Noa did NOT need the publicity such a lawsuit would have generated. Does it mean she basically gives up a chance at serious cash? Yes. But it also keeps her from killing her future career prospects by exposing herself to the PR machine, and in a way that leaves even a particularly generous John Jonah Jameson unable AND unwilling to protect her.
 
Huh reading back over what Cap said I can't help but seeing him being involved with loads of Civil Rights groups when he woke up same for veterans charities and support groups.

Heck I could see him giving out support to the veterans and the homeless.
 
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Bailey Matutine said:
He comes off exactly like a bigot who doesn't think about or examine his bigotry. He's the kind of person who wants to believe that he's judging Noa on her own merits, while actually holding her to a higher standard than he would any of her peers. Sure, maybe he likes her now, since he's seen that actually his minority hire is good at her job, but as per the text he didn't give her the chance to show if she was good at her job or not for three times longer than he gave her peers that chance.
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Chaeronea said:
I remember when Sam was introduced in Chapter Two and people were going on about how much of a bigot he was, and now it turns out he's probably going to be one of her most reliable contacts...
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I stand by my earlier assessment. It is definitely to his credit that he's overcoming his initial bigoted impression to this degree, but we also already knew he thought she was "one of the good ones" and has simply expanded that.
 
October Daye said:
False imprisonment is the one you're looking for. And yes, Noa does have a claim against the City of New York.

That said, discretion is the better part of valor. And right after being outed as a mutant, Noa did NOT need the publicity such a lawsuit would have generated. Does it mean she basically gives up a chance at serious cash? Yes. But it also keeps her from killing her future career prospects by exposing herself to the PR machine, and in a way that leaves even a particularly generous John Jonah Jameson unable AND unwilling to protect her.
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Actually that makes me wonder... Did she give an interview about actually being a mutant?

Because it would be woefully easy for the press to go "She's a mutant who killed and replaced the real Noa." if left to their own devices...
 
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Vaermina said:
Actually that makes me wonder... Did she give an interview about actually being a mutant?

Because it would be woefully easy for the press to go "She's a mutant who killed and replaced the real Noa." if left to their own devices...
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That would be a rather large jump for any publication to make and I wouldn't expect to see it outside of the most fictitious of tabloids.
 
VirtualFox said:
"Lizard People hybrids among us!"
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Project 501D13R said:
There's already a ton of people who believe that irl without marvel stuff.
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And I mean, the "secret lizard people" conspiracy theory is ultimately a piece of anti-Semitic bullshit anyway, so considering Noa's religion and her mutation, I would not be surprised at all to see people (idiots and bigots, but I repeat myself) screaming further bullshit about how they were right or some such idiocy.
 
RecklessPrudence said:
And I mean, the "secret lizard people" conspiracy theory is ultimately a piece of anti-Semitic bullshit anyway, so considering Noa's religion and her mutation, I would not be surprised at all to see people (idiots and bigots, but I repeat myself) screaming further bullshit about how they were right or some such idiocy.
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rofl, these people don't need proof to scream that they're right, they do that even without any!
 
RecklessPrudence said:
And I mean, the "secret lizard people" conspiracy theory is ultimately a piece of anti-Semitic bullshit anyway, so considering Noa's religion and her mutation, I would not be surprised at all to see people (idiots and bigots, but I repeat myself) screaming further bullshit about how they were right or some such idiocy.
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Honestly it's a tossup between that and "this lawyer has horns and a tail, I fucking knew they were all devils"

Wait, is she gonna be the reason for the Daredevil persona?
 
LokiTheDarkGod said:
I hope the jury feel really bad after this. It was all but obvious that this was a railroading.
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I doubt all of them will feel guilty about thier choices. Some will only feel bad that the (insert various racial slurs here) mutant freak didn't end up getting tossed in jail like it deserved.

However all of them will not be enjoying the majority of public optics post-trial.
The press is on your side, public opinion is on your side, Captain fucking America is on your side
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Hazard said:
Look, you can't do that and not provide a link to the full post, you know?
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I... did? Click the 'Keep Reading' at the bottom of the preview, above the tags, or if that doesn't work, click the bit that says [however many] notes at the very bottom-left, and then scroll up. If neither of those work, then you probably have plugins that are interfering, so click here.

buli-buli said:
Thank you for linking this. That was beautiful.
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Glad you enjoyed!
 
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