Hey, Logan just enjoyed his very enthusiastic walks while asking any schmucks trying their luck if their health plans were apparently great, alright.
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Unfortunately, the quotes imply both are bigoted.
It's unclear why the discussion escalated to an argument, though notably it's not said who was arguing. It may have been Lorna vs Jean and Scott.
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
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Wolverine is Bi. Not Pan, Bi. He leans more towards heterosexual relationships, but has had a few male lovers over the years including in some continuities Mystique before she transitioned with her shapeshifting. In others they were lovers after she transitioned. Either way Wolverine has never been portrayed as actually homophobic.
He does however use homophobic slurs if he gets ran over by a steamroller or something similar because fun fact some homophobic words started out as cuss words:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot said:
And depending on the writer Wolverine is either going his equivalent of Medieval on someone ass for that or is so hurt he lapses back into the English of his youth, but the result is the same: Homophobic slurs out of Wolverine's mouth.
Edit: Huh. Did not know you needed spacing between Spoilers and Quotes or they get fucked.
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Spector29
It Only Gets Worse From Here
W...what? That's a very strong opinion whne, near as I can tell, Logan's never talked about it in comics. (Or else this would be easier to google)
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Yeah, theres some strange stuff in how SB compresses and formats expandable tags.
I'd suggest using articles inside spoiler tags rather than quotes if possible.
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Someone who remembers more of the lore please remind me: Just when did the running feuds between the Kingpin and Daredevil (and the parallel one between the Kingpin and Spider-Man) start? It seems a little too early in Matt and Peter's crime-fighting careers for the Kingpin to figure so prominently, although I'll admit that, like Magneto, he's been around long before either of them were relevant.
I'm hoping he doesn't show up, because I think this fic is better when more powerful beings can't help Noa fix her physical and security problems for her, and she has to just figure out how to deal with those risks herself, or even consider the possibility that maybe she wants justice to prevail but she also doesn't want to die.
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While this is good for ramping up dramatic tension, isn't this the kind of Idiot Ball trope that tends to turn away more than a few readers? ("You have a
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Of course Marvel's never had Wolverine come out and say "Yeah, I'm Bi, here's the list of people I've been with." Some of the X-Men writers have enough difficulty wrapping their heads around the racism they're supposed to push back against. They rarely put their most iconic 90s machismo, straight sex appeal, brooding bad boy, killer-with-supposed-morals character into any situation where he'd lose that appeal. And the few who do try and make something interesting and representative are taking a risk that editors and management can shut down at any moment.
It's been done. Logan's had male partners before. But it's not going to get the same attention as other gay X-men because it'd undercut the self-insert fantasy Wolverine's been built around for decades.
Spector29
It Only Gets Worse From Here
All that fully tracks. The 'strong opinion' was the insistance that he was Bisexual, not Pansexual. In a world where writers had to tiptoe around depicting gay heroes for years I was wondering why Dmol8 was so confident about something that hadn't been directly discussed.
Given the plots of comics being well, you know, what they are, it is entirely reasonable for every high-powered friend to have their own important things which keep them from showing up all the time. They've got lives and world-ending threats of their own, yanno.
Kingpin, real name Wilson Fisk, is usually depicted as being around longer than Daredevil and Spider-Man. Fisk is a career criminal who spent his whole life building up his criminal empire. So Kingpin has always been a major part of the criminal underworld before the heroes start appearing.
So by the time when Daredevil and Spider-Man make their debut, Kingpin is already controlling a significant portion of criminal activity. Eventually the heroes will interrupt one of Kingpin's operations, and most times it is pretty early on in their hero careers.
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Not super familar with the character so this is mostly the results of googling.
Matts father was killed by a gangster and because of how much influence Kingpin has Roscoe Sweeny was probably working for him however theres probably no personal connection beyond the guy's boss, depending on enforcers and such he might even be the bosses boss.
Kingpin probably didn't know about what was going on except in broad strokes "fixing boxing matches scam" and didn't care except for Sweeny to keep paying him his cut.
Matt isn't Daredevil yet. So he probably knows about Kingpin the same way that someone in 1920's Chicago knew about Al Capone or someone in 1960's London knew about the Kray Twins.
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Are we sure about that?
I thought we had soft confirmation that he is in fact Daredevil now during the assassination attempt?
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Don't remember that?
I just did a quick skim Ctrl-f ing any use of 'mat' in chapters 30 and 31. He was pretty competent and cool in the face of danger however I don't think he was busting out any martial arts.
I guess the issue is what constitutes soft confirmation, and if you consider there to be important distinctions between "He's training to be a super but isn't there yet", "He is going out in a mask but isn't known as Daredevil" and "Yup he's reached his third stage final evo."
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It's so interesting how you're writing these parallel themes of togetherness and isolation. With work, Noa is simultaneously reaching out to her closest friend and supported by her age old Nazi hunter buddy, and yet totally alone in her work. With her personal life, she is getting into a relationship for the first time in forever, supported by her closest friend and her age old Nazi hunter buddy's ex, and yet totally alone in her home.
It does a fantastic job of making the whole thing feel like walking a knife's edge, with the potential for good things to come, but also the gut-hollowing potential of loss.
It does a fantastic job of making the whole thing feel like walking a knife's edge, with the potential for good things to come, but also the gut-hollowing potential of loss.
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Is the trend of the kingpin in comics finding a legal loophole to get out of prison each time he is arrested a charachteristic of the character or just a method of the Marvel writers to avoid having to invent a new mafia character?(maybe a critic of america legal system or a mix of the 3 ?)
I would just like to know if it's the first to know if I should lower my expectations of seeing him really get caught for good in this story.
I would just like to know if it's the first to know if I should lower my expectations of seeing him really get caught for good in this story.
Great Greedy Guts
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It's telling about my priorities that I was confused about why Noa was going to the FBI to start this chapter off. Seemed like a big escalation for the situation with Lorna.
... entirely forgetting the actual cliffhanger the last chapter ended on. Whoops!
... entirely forgetting the actual cliffhanger the last chapter ended on. Whoops!
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You do know Kingpin has access to a lot of supervillains, right? The Rhino alone would WRECK Daredevil and even Spiderman sometimes has trouble with him. If he sends a big team and she doesn't have Superhero support, Noa is fucked.
Not to mention testimony alone is not enough for conviction, they also need actual evidence and good defence lawyers can delay things a whole lot.
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"FBI, my god daughter is giving me the silent treatment. Arrest Her."
Noa's superhero name revealed at last: Super Karen.
Ardion Prosili
An (im)Perfect Cell
Huh....I know given the Kingpin+Lorna+Gay Panic situation that it might have gotten lost in the mix but did she ever open that massive bit of mail from Los Angeles?
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