IIRC, can't ZnT mages learn at least two different elemental magic?

If I recall correctly the way it works is that ZnT mages have two factors to consider when learning/creating spells.

The first is what rank they are capable of casting at. Each rank has a number of slots corresponding to the number of dots required to draw it. So dot spells have one, line two, triangle three, and square four. Into each of these slots an element can go.

By stacking multiple copies of the same element you can create a more powerful effective, for example a fireball with one Fire element will be small and weak while one with four would be large and incredibly hot, while mixing different elements together will create different effects.

An example of this would be Tabitha's Ice Spears; they are a Triangle rank spell because first she must create the ice (Water + Wind) then propel the ice (Wind) for a total of (Water + Wind + Wind). Later on when she hits Square rank Tabitha improves her Ice Spears by increasing the speed (Wind) for a total of (Water + Wind + Wind + Wind).



The second factor to consider is their skill with the elements. No matter how high their rank a mage is still limited by their skill with each given element. So even if you are a Square rank mage your not going to pull of Square rank Fireball (Fire + Fire + Fire + Fire) without some serious skill in fire magic.

This is why the majority of mages you see are specialized in either one or two elements; because it's just not worth training up their affinity with the other elements when they can instead get greater returns by focusing on improving their skill over the element/s they are already good at.

That is what will make Gamer!Louise utterly terrifying. Because thanks to the insane rate at which a Gamer can grind their skills I wouldn't be surprised if she could hit Square rank in all four elements.
 
If I recall correctly the way it works is that ZnT mages have two factors to consider when learning/creating spells.

The first is what rank they are capable of casting at. Each rank has a number of slots corresponding to the number of dots required to draw it. So dot spells have one, line two, triangle three, and square four. Into each of these slots an element can go.

By stacking multiple copies of the same element you can create a more powerful effective, for example a fireball with one Fire element will be small and weak while one with four would be large and incredibly hot, while mixing different elements together will create different effects.

An example of this would be Tabitha's Ice Spears; they are a Triangle rank spell because first she must create the ice (Water + Wind) then propel the ice (Wind) for a total of (Water + Wind + Wind). Later on when she hits Square rank Tabitha improves her Ice Spears by increasing the speed (Wind) for a total of (Water + Wind + Wind + Wind).



The second factor to consider is their skill with the elements. No matter how high their rank a mage is still limited by their skill with each given element. So even if you are a Square rank mage your not going to pull of Square rank Fireball (Fire + Fire + Fire + Fire) without some serious skill in fire magic.

This is why the majority of mages you see are specialized in either one or two elements; because it's just not worth training up their affinity with the other elements when they can instead get greater returns by focusing on improving their skill over the element/s they are already good at.

That is what will make Gamer!Louise utterly terrifying. Because thanks to the insane rate at which a Gamer can grind their skills I wouldn't be surprised if she could hit Square rank in all four elements.
I forsee a feels moment when Karin gives Louise very obvious applause and "I'm proud of you moment", as Louise outshines Karin even in her youth.

Oh the Feels that will be had.
 
Then she should have gotten a skill for human diplomancy.

Gamer skills get created the first time you do a significant action to create it after you've become The Gamer. Until we see her attempting Diplomacy with other people on-screen, or see it mentioned in her Skill list as something she made between chapters, then she won't have it yet.

All of this is, of course, assuming that the skills can be created in the first place.
 
She sat confidently, even leaning forward. She knew that when the explosion came Tabitha, who was reading a book next to her, would protect her.

Is this story rooted in an omniscient narrator, or Louise's perspective? Because if the second, it is quite likely that Kirche could have honestly been rooting for Louise here.

Kirche smiled and gave her an encouraging sign. Louise didn't know if the fire mage was being honest or not.

Which still doesn't quite explain this comment, unless Kirche is a complete moron when it comes to reading people, or really wanted to rile Louise up... Or Louise later gained her respect.

"Mistakes like utterly fucking up the Springtime Summoning Ceremony?" Louise flinched, the barb cutting so deep she didn't even comment on the profanity. "That's a bit more than a little mistake, Little Louise."

That was a very low blow.
 
Is this story rooted in an omniscient narrator, or Louise's perspective? Because if the second, it is quite likely that Kirche could have honestly been rooting for Louise here.
Omniscient-based.
Which still doesn't quite explain this comment, unless Kirche is a complete moron when it comes to reading people, or really wanted to rile Louise up... Or Louise later gained her respect.
Kirche is a jerk. A self-professed jerk but a jerk. She also rarely, rarely, rarely takes things personally. She's among the few that don't dislike Louise (because of her magic or her arrogant/abrasive/explosive personality). She just messes with her because it's fun to verbally spar and wind her up. So, yes, a jerk that looks somewhat bipolar from the outside, because she picks whatever side she wants whenever she wants to.

Plus, deep inside, there's a tiny part in her fire mage heart that likes blowing shit up.
 
Hmm. Wasn't the spell that Henrietta and Zombie!Wales cast a Pentagon spell?

Kinda. It's a special Royalty thing. Unlike other mages Royalty can gattai combine their spells to form higher level spells. So for the massive water tornado (?) Henrietta created a Triangle water spell (Water + Water + Water) while Zombie!Wales created a triangle wind spell (Wind + Wind + Wind) and they fused together to form a Hexagon spell (Water + Water + Water + Wind + Wind + Wind).

How that actually compares to a true Pentagon spell is anyone's guess (IE: up to @minuseven).
 
She's among the few that don't dislike Louise

... That is not disliking someone. Well, that explains a lot of things. Who else is upon the don't dislike list, because humanity really does not take well to being shown up, especially by someone that has always been towards the bottom of the heap performance wise. Louise may be giddy now, but I think someone will take offense to her sudden improvement.

Well now we get to see what happens when you give the best theory student in her year the capacity to learn spells in seconds.

Why do I have the feeling that strong background in theory is going to bite someone who did not realize how Louise managed to keep her grades high enough to stay in school despite her explosions quite wonderfully. *Chuckle*
 
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Hmm. Wasn't the spell that Henrietta and Zombie!Wales cast a Pentagon spell?
No. It was two very powerful triangle spells. Like two tornadoes coming together and wrecking more haovk than... normal tornadoes already do...
Theoretically, a hexagon spell would be a whole different class of spell. Not two spells added to each each. Think multiply instead. instead of two initial strong tornadoes, you have a mega typhoon.

The proper analogy fails me.
... That is not disliking someone. Well, that explains a lot of things. Who else is upon the don't dislike list, because humanity really does not take it well to being shown up, especially by someone that has always been towards the bottom of the heap performance wise.
You could just say Kirche dislikes the world in general then, considering her usual level of jerkass-ness. She just doesn't dislike Louise in particular (even likes her spunk).

Well, Tabitha only finds her mildly annoying/loud, but she does that to everyone. Most third and first years don't really know her enough to dislike her. Montmorency has reduced her level of dislike ever since the Guiche incident, plus well, Louise's been quieter for a few days. There are a few weaker mages in her year that find her more pitiable than anything, though that might change, as you've pointed out. It's the more powerful ones (with magic, money, influence) that don't like her attitude and her weakness. Those take it as a personal affront that she can only mess up.

The academy is an elitist environment, only the best/more powerful and the ones who want to rise up the ranks go there. So the environment is hostile towards Louise, especially since she went there firmly set into working to improve her magic and not making contacts or alliances, and so did just that, in typical stubborn Vallière fashion.
 
Why do I have the feeling that strong background in theory is going to bite someone who did not realize how Louise managed to keep her grades high enough to stay in school despite her explosions quite wonderfully. *Chuckle*

Eh, they'd deserve it. The Zero who's never casted a spell in her life knocks herself unconscious during a summoning ritual and the very next time she takes her wand out she casts (however many her flock of learned spell alert boxes was) spells in a row without a hitch?

you don't need to know OOC knowledge to know:
 
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Uh, @leontrollski

Your image link is broken for me...

minuseven said:
You could just say Kirche dislikes the world in general then, considering her usual level of jerkass-ness. She just doesn't dislike Louise in particular (even likes her spunk).

Ah, I meant that, if that behavior is someone not disliking someone, well, active dislike is going to be a lot worse. My fault for not stating what I meant clearly.
 
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Truly her mother will shed many a tear over this. Perhaps more than two even!
Bittersweet tears.

Karin wants her daughter to suceed moderately and only just. Maybe be and academic and settle down for a quiet happy life ruling well. She does not want her to be a warrior beyond her station and defintely no some super A level badass unique asset. These do not have good lives. They become chess peices used, abused, and courted until they are used up.

Louise is prideful, devout, has shitty self esteem, loyal, and pathologically needs to be useful , doubly so to people who care about her. This is not a good combination. She cannot and will not be truly selfish when it's important to things like not dying horribly. And the world will abuse that.

It happened in canon. Where when known as a void mage she was used in a hold the line scenario that garunteed death and had to be poisoned to be shipped off.

It'll happen here and Karin will cry.
 
Bittersweet tears.

Karin wants her daughter to suceed moderately and only just. Maybe be and academic and settle down for a quiet happy life ruling well. She does not want her to be a warrior beyond her station and defintely no some super A level badass unique asset. These do not have good lives. They become chess peices used, abused, and courted until they are used up.

Louise is prideful, devout, has shitty self esteem, loyal, and pathologically needs to be useful , doubly so to people who care about her. This is not a good combination. She cannot and will not be truly selfish when it's important to things like not dying horribly. And the world will abuse that.



It happened in canon. Where when known as a void mage she was used in a hold the line scenario that garunteed death and had to be poisoned to be shipped off.

It'll happen here and Karin will cry.

Well, if Karin pays attention, she may have a chance to try and get Louise to realize this. Louise has just finally gotten the basic spells to work, it will take time before she is comparable to Void Hax Louise. I don't think Karin would succeed but she has a chance to try at least.

@moonberserker

Thanks!
 
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The royal magic thing is the special ablility for royalty* to combine their spells into one greater spell. The one example we got of it was two triangle mages working together to create a greater spell. Louise compared to being a Pentagon spell, it wasn't literally one but a statement to demonstrate it was a power beyond what is normally possible.

As for Kirche I suspect she is the kind of person who teases people she like as a part of the way she interacts with people and doesn't really mean any harm. People like her tend to not be able to deal with people who can't deal with the teasing easily. It isn't bullying or harmful from her perspective but Louise won't see it that way. Louise has serious self confidence issues and likely gets genuinely bullied a lot and is primed to expect abuse especially from someone who is historically an enemy of her family and behaves in a way Louise finds immoral. If Kirche was more self aware or had better control she would realize she is fucking up and stop it but she is a teenager and they are stupid.

I've met people like that a lot and tend for find that aspects of their personalities really frustrating despite realizing the mean well. When I have been in more hostile environments or darker mindsets it gets harder to tell this kind of thing a part from true cruelty and Louise is very much in a dark place in the beginning of the series.
 
You think that is scary?

My friend, the scary thing is Louise can hit Pentagon rank.
I was under the impression that "Pentagon" spells are just a Super Special Secret Awesome Royalty Technique where two spells combine, and the ranks top off at Square.
That would make Louise becoming a Pentagon ranked mage... completely unprecedented. Like, she would be writing the book on it, and nobody would actually know what she could do with those spells.
 
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