Achievement Get! Sad, unintentionally attractive(?) tragedy!

Though to be fair to the healer, that is a pretty fucking sad story.

"I bumped my head bad. I'm still me, but everyone is saying I'm different now, that I've changed and they don't like it, even though they've never liked me. I still feel like me, but everything is so easy to push away now."
 
"YOUR ARM'S OFF!"
Louise picks it up, jams it against the stump.
"'Tis but a scratch."

And that was how Louise became known as the Immortal Duchess.

I think you are missing part of the story there. She is, after all, third in line. So you would need to have Eleanore and Cattleya as the Not-so-inmortal-might-they-rest-in-peace Duchesses.
 
Yes.

well, that or the injuries stay for as long as they normally would, and as such continue to build up while Louise puppets her mangled body with spirit magic, unknowing and uncaring of the horrible wounds she bares.
Metal. \m/
I think you are missing part of the story there. She is, after all, third in line. So you would need to have Eleanore and Cattleya as the Not-so-inmortal-might-they-rest-in-peace Duchesses.
Or just straight up murder enough of the Queen's enemies in combat to be given her very own duchy.
 
well, that or the injuries stay for as long as they normally would, and as such continue to build up while Louise puppets her mangled body with spirit magic, unknowing and uncaring of the horrible wounds she bares.

Eventually she ends up like Darth Sion from KotOR II, a bunch of shattered bits of bone and scraps of skin held together in a human shape, and at that point we've gone full Nightmare Fuel.
Or just bind them as it was shown to be separate
So what I'm hearing you say is that Louise made a contract and is now a Puella Magi.
 
ZnT is a weird mishmash of actual historical European nobles and politics.

Article:
Armand de Gramont, Comte de Guiche


Guy Armand de Gramont, Count of Guiche (November 25, 1637 – November 29, 1673) was a French nobleman, adventurer, and one of the greatest playboys of the 17th century.

He was the son of Marshal Antoine III de Gramont and Françoise-Marguerite du Plessis de Chivré, Richelieu's niece. His sister was Catherine Charlotte, (1639–1678), Princess of Monaco and one time mistress of Louis XIV of France.

Armand was bisexual. He was part of the entourage of Philippe de France, who was homosexual, where many reckoned him the handsomest man at court. He was known for being vain, overbearing, and somewhat contemptuous, but many lovers of both sexes often overlooked these flaws. It is generally accepted that he became the lover of Princess Henrietta of England, but for a time he also paid court to Louise de La Vallière.

Guiche was, however, not sufficiently enamored with Louise to challenge King Louis XIV's affections for her. He was exiled in 1662 for conspiring with the jealous Henriette, Duchess of Orleans to drive a wedge between Louis XIV and Louise.

He then fought against the Turks for Poland, against the English for the Dutch, and eventually returned to France in 1669.

He returned to court in 1671. In 1672, he joined Louis XIV and the Great Condé in the Franco-Dutch war and covered himself in glory when he swam across the Rhine, and the whole army followed his example.


Right here, we have half the cast of ZnT, with the weird mix up being apparent in how Henrietta (ZnT) is both Henrietta (historical) and Louis XIV (historical).
This makes it sound like Guice is the true hero of the story
 
Eh. The numbers work out if you think about it.

Tristain is Belgium + Netherlands size wise and the time period is around the 17th century. Near as I can tell the Netherlands had a total population of 3.8 million people in the mid 17th century. Population figures for Belgium are a lot harder to find from that era, mostly because it didn't exist as an independent nation, but looking at the earliest figure I have (1700) and comparing rough population growth rates I'd put it at around 3 million.

Combined that gives Tristain a population of around 6.8 million, quite possibly more depending upon how effective mages are at boosting crop yields, of which approximately 10% are mages.

That means we're talking about 680,000 mages. We also have to consider that there just aren't that many dragon/manticore/griffin knights out there. Let's say there are 100 of each which puts the total at around 300 or enough for 6 dragon/manticore/griffin knights per ship in Tristain's air-force, assuming it's about the same size of Romania's and Albion's at 50 ships.

If we assume that a quarter of the total mage population falls into the range of being combat capable knights (20yrs to 40yrs) then only about 1 in every 50 need to summon an appropriate familiar with the prestige of the position ensuring that the vast majority of those who do end up in the appropriate corps.


So it's certainly within the realm of possibility.
I suspect that a good fraction of knights use trained mounts rather than summoned ones. The best of the knights probably have familiars as the familiars are chosen to suite the mage so someone who is very suited to being a *animal* knight is probably going to get that animal.
 
You are a poor mage who just wants a little helper for your day to day weather magic business. Maybe an owl? An owl would be cool. Summon. Summon a Gryphon. Ooops. Now you can either kill it (hard and disapproved of) or you can join the military (but what if you don't want to join the military!?).

Noble World problems: Wanting to be a mediocre lower noble and laze off through life. End up having triangle or above magic potential, summon a dragon for a familiar, being sent to a knight corp next week and the gala is tomorrow!
 
I'm not so sure about that, really - Osmond has a familiar, and the Gryphon and Dragon Knights might only be recruited from mages who summon the relevant beastie as a familar but it seems unlikely due to the relative numbers, but can you name one other adult who is not a Void Mage and is shown with one? I get the feeling that it's more a matter of high school drama to say that it's so incredibly critical, and Louise's considering it a deadline for expressing magic was either a special case due to her lack of success with practical magic, or self-set (as expelling the child of a noble family one step removed from the throne would have serious political consequences.)


Louise "The Weeble" de la Valliere?

They all lost them at some point and didn't feel the need to summon a new one?
 
Karin is pretty well functional war veteran despite all shocking things she lived through, though. Get a few quirk out of it and than there's her fanatical loyalty to the Crown, but nothing that drastic. Well, except that time when she was willing to kill Louise over her disobeying Henrietta's order

I don't remember that. Are you sure you are not confusing canon with Emperor of Zero? The Napoleon fic?
 
I don't remember that. Are you sure you are not confusing canon with Emperor of Zero? The Napoleon fic?
Nope, it's canon. She even actually refused Henrietta's offer to reduce the penalty out of her code of honor, Rule of Steel, and went after Louise herself, injured her too, would have killed her if not for Louise using anti-magic void spells and her childhood queen-friend stopping Karin from dealing the final blow at the last moment. Wiki
 
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Nope, it's canon. She even actually refused Henrietta's offer to reduce the penalty out of her code of honor, Rule of Steel, and went after Louise herself, injured her too, would have killed her if not for Louise using anti-magic void spells and her childhood queen-friend stopping Karin from dealing the final blow at the last moment. Wiki

But that's wrong. That entire post is relevant, but the most pertinent bits:

Flere821 said:
*squints* dude, have you gone back and re-read the LNs recently at all? First off, it wasn't "full strength" Heavy Wind- *checks BakaTsuki*

... WHAT THE F%$K?! I swear this was different in the Chinese versions. *checks Chinese version*

Sorry for being annoyed at you Barricade. It's BakaTsuki being a pain. BakaTsuki Vol11 Ch2:

Chinese version:

~Snip~

Amazing what ONE freaking line's difference can make (see bolded part). The Chinese version stated Karin was trying her hardest to tone down her spell's destructive powers, instead of trying not to "look weak" as the BT version suggests. Besides, at full strength with a single cast her Heavy Wind can destroy a entire village (ref KSS Vol1), do you really think Louise will still be alive if being hit by something like that? Additionally, Vol11 Ch3 had only "Louise's eyes were still spinning and she looked out of shape. It could hardly be otherwise. It was as if she had been thrown into a huge washing machine– washed, rinsed, dried and blown" - hardly 'dead' or completely blown apart if faced by a full powered Heavy Wind spell.

~Snip~

Outside of strict LN canon wording, my understanding was that Karin took Louise's punishment into her own hands so that Louise will still be alive by the end of this, and can be healed back to full health eventually. Whereas a strict interpretation of the Rule of Steel and Tristainian Law suggests a harsher punishment and maybe execution for Louise and Karin did not want that. In her own way Karin is trying to get Louise off 'easy', and done in such a way it will satisfy the Rule of Steel and the greater politics in Tristain lest nobles say the princess is not ruling fair and favours the Vallieres.
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And this is where I think you do not understand the situation.

Henrietta sparing Louise is BAD.

Because it confirms the "Close relations" of the Valliere and the crown, not only making the Valliere a high priority target (to destroy, manipulate, or weaken), even moreso than before, as well as undermines the strength and powerbase that the princess has built up over the duration of her term.

Karin "knows" that Henrietta is a weak queen. Every noble "knows" that Henrietta is a weak queen. A queen so afraid of mages she dismissed her 3 personal contingents of mage gaurds and surrounds herself instead with "Commoners". She's Too afraid to use the very gaurds they have provided for her specifically. And everyone knows it.

Make no mistake, the execution of Richmond is not a sign of strength, but weakness. A queen so weak she has to resort to putting herself on the line (kidnapping herself) in order to find and catch a traitor. There was no assassin making an example of her political enemy, or brash unbased execution. She had to put herself in danger, all while pretending to be, and using a literal army of commoners to apprehend one corrupt judge.

Henrietta "going easy" on Louise because a) Everyone knows they're friends, and b) She's a valliere, and the valliere are "in bed with/favored by" the crown, or at least, Seemingly so, is probably the worst thing that can happen to both the Valliere and the crown itself.

Remember, at this time (Even after Richmond's death), Karin and Duke still call Henrietta a weak queen. And these are her supporters! Not only that, but look at her interactions with Karin when Henrietta's trying to call her off: the "queen" is basically a ball of quivering nerves, barely able to articulate her commands. There's no way Karin would take that seriously.


Frankly outside of knowing Louise was a Void Mage, allowing it to go through is a BAD IDEA, as Germania was Tristain's ally against Albion. They never said anything about Gallia. Not only is Tristain weak and completely unprepared for a second engagement, what makes matters worse is that Henrietta is welcoming Louise back with "Open Arms", It's like asking Gallia to declare war and attack. Karin sees more of the situation politically than you think. After all, her quote:
"She is your and my daughter! It has to look strict! A long time from now, when you're looking back, you'll see her being raised up wrong because of your selfish whim!"

At the shout of his wife, the duke instinctively ducked his head.

"S-Sorry!"

"Our family is important, our daughter is important as well; I don't want to pass on either. That's why the "Heavy Wind" will give the punishment to our daughter. Her Majesty will see."​

She has to make it look strict, or else everything would be pinned on them. It's not a good situation. And it doesn't matter the truth either, but how it looks. And it doesn't look good.

If Henrietta came out and said "It was my idea all along, it was all a covert op, disguised as treason!" Then your argument would hold water in my eyes. But in-verse it's just a weak queen saving a childhood friend, and putting everyone even moreso in danger.

I mean look at this:
"You should not be violent! I came here to deal with Louise's punishment myself. Because I am young, at first I was resented. However, I thought about it a lot. Though Louise passed national borders certainly without my permission… I am also worried about it as a friend too. Just a strong reprimand will do, I do not intend to give a violent penalty."

"Your Majesty, your words are kind, and you feel regretful. However, Your Majesty's royal prerogative is of the sacred non-aggression given by the Founder. Thus, you have to protect the laws of the country promulgated in that name, too."​
The way Henrietta tries to deter Karin only makes it even more prudent for Karin's punishment to be severe! If henrietta HAD her act together and DID NOT look like an unsure, weak, young regent then what you said would apply.

But right now. you can see that even Henrietta is hesitant to forgive Louise.

This is not HoS, where henrietta's strong and in control. Louise DID commit treason, even going against being imprisoned by Henrietta. Henrietta also DIDN'T let Louise escape. She is THOUROUGLY AGAINST this plan. Don't confuse the two verses.

This is basically on par with letting an rouge agent breaking out of CIA custody, having it blared all over the international news, then allow him to bomb/destroy, say, England's capital and then kidnap a high security target, and then be allowed back into the united states, with great fanfare and celebration publicly, along with taking custody of the target, all while pardoning the rouge agent for treason and tresspass while refusing to allow the target back and the agent to stand justice.

Make no mistake. Poilitically speaking and honestly speaking from the numbers, Louise was wrong. It makes you feel nice, morally, to save a damsel in distress, a princess locked up in a tower guarded by a monster. But make no mistake. What the heroes did is Wrong. Unabashedly Wrong. Treason, sedition, you can even put a spin on it and call it "terrorism" if you're a warhawk. Louise, for all intents in purposes in the eyes of the international (but more importantly Tristainian) community, committed an act of aggression in a foreign, Neutral/ALLIED nation.

And Henrietta was going to let them off... protect them even, from the coming wrath of Gallia.

It does not add up. This is a classic example of saving one over the many.

But of course, we Know Louise and Saito were Right because they're the Heroes after all. They Can't be Wrong.
 
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