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The <Gamer's Body> is... not merely internal. Louise can and does bleed, but does not suffer from blood loss (and HP loss with it) unless the wound somehow has a <Bleeding> effect. Louise does suffer broken bones and the likes, but she'd be able to stand up even if her leg tendons were cut, despite the impossibility of it (even considering the lack of pain). For 'some reason' fractures tend towards being clean breaks. Nerve damage would require specific attacks to induce. Etc...

Montmorency does not have enough medical expertise to recognize the uncanny valley of it all.

Silver W. King said:
I know this is gonna sound really unempathetic and maybe stupid, but why was Monmon crying again?
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Guilt. So much guilt.
 
Silver W. King said:
I know this is gonna sound really unempathetic and maybe stupid, but why was Monmon crying again?
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She was crying because Louise has suffered a life-altering 'injury' which has irreparably changed the way she views the world in a way which Monmon believes makes her somehow both 'broken' and simultaneously more driven, making her a tragic figure who's grinding herself into dust without even noticing when she does so.

As a side note, there is a specific category of women who find these characteristics attractive because it gives them something to 'fix' about a person.

Given Monmon's relationship with Guiche and his somewhat odious habits? There's more than even chance Montemorcy falls into this category.

Edit: See Sasuke Uchiha for further details.
 
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Slayer Anderson said:
She was crying because Louise has suffered a life-altering 'injury' which has irreparably changed the way she views the world in a way which Monmon believes makes her somehow both 'broken' and simultaneously more driven, making her a tragic figure who's grinding herself into dust without even noticing when she does so.

As a side note, there is a specific category of women who find these characteristics attractive because it gives them something to 'fix' about a person.
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Ah, I see. Makes sense. Thanks.

So Louise is now stuck with Monmon until she "fixes" her, right?
 
Bloodalchemy said:
IRL!Guiche? I have not heard of this
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ZnT is a weird mishmash of actual historical European nobles and politics.

Article:
Armand de Gramont, Comte de Guiche


Guy Armand de Gramont, Count of Guiche (November 25, 1637 – November 29, 1673) was a French nobleman, adventurer, and one of the greatest playboys of the 17th century.

He was the son of Marshal Antoine III de Gramont and Françoise-Marguerite du Plessis de Chivré, Richelieu's niece. His sister was Catherine Charlotte, (1639–1678), Princess of Monaco and one time mistress of Louis XIV of France.

Armand was bisexual. He was part of the entourage of Philippe de France, who was homosexual, where many reckoned him the handsomest man at court. He was known for being vain, overbearing, and somewhat contemptuous, but many lovers of both sexes often overlooked these flaws. It is generally accepted that he became the lover of Princess Henrietta of England, but for a time he also paid court to Louise de La Vallière.

Guiche was, however, not sufficiently enamored with Louise to challenge King Louis XIV's affections for her. He was exiled in 1662 for conspiring with the jealous Henriette, Duchess of Orleans to drive a wedge between Louis XIV and Louise.

He then fought against the Turks for Poland, against the English for the Dutch, and eventually returned to France in 1669.

He returned to court in 1671. In 1672, he joined Louis XIV and the Great Condé in the Franco-Dutch war and covered himself in glory when he swam across the Rhine, and the whole army followed his example.


Right here, we have half the cast of ZnT, with the weird mix up being apparent in how Henrietta (ZnT) is both Henrietta (historical) and Louis XIV (historical).
 
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Silver W. King said:
Ah, I see. Makes sense. Thanks.

So Louise is now stuck with Monmon until she "fixes" her, right?
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Complicated question.

It depends on whether the author seriously intends to include any level of romance beyond teasing and fanservice scenes. If so, it's quite possible Louise and Monmon could create a functional relationship from the nascent attraction Montemorcy seemed to feel when she thought Louise was a man.

In a platonic fashion? Montemorcy will probably be hanging around Louise a lot more in an attempt to keep her/return her to a more feminine mindset. Dresses, makeup, things like that while Louise is going to be stubbornly clinging to the idea of dressing manishly and questing. I'll enjoy seeing what Karin thinks of that, given she did the *exact* same thing at Louise's age.

At any rate, the thing about 'broken' characters is that they're usually...not. So, what Montemorcy may be attempting...only has a very, very long shot of succeeding in any real way. Realistically, there are only two outcomes, even if this *doesn't* move into a romantic subtext. Monmon will either get sick of Louise's antics and give her up for a lost cause or decide that Louise is her 'duty' or 'cause' that gives meaning to her life (usually a subconscious decision), in which case...yeah, Louise is now stuck with Montemorcy for...the foreseeable future.

Mind you, this is all dependent on what the author intends, so take my analysis with a grain of salt. I might be right, or I might be wrong. We'll have to see.

Author: Loving the story by the way. Really enjoying getting a chance to see Louise shine on her lonesome.
 
Bloodalchemy said:
I knew FoZ took setting info from history. I never knew the names were pulled as well. Thats really cool.
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IIRC all the names are pulled from the d'Artagnan novels by Alexandre Dumas, where many historical people are making appearance. For example Wardes is a character invented by Dumas (an agent of Richelieu who gets his ass kicked by d'Artagnan).

As a sidenote one of the novels is named Louise de la Valière.
 
That was a very nice explanation that Louise gave to describe the effects of the Gamer's Mind and Body. All of it true, but avoiding the full (and annoying to explain) truth.
 
Pinf said:
IIRC all the names are pulled from the d'Artagnan novels by Alexandre Dumas, where many historical people are making appearance. For example Wardes is a character invented by Dumas (an agent of Richelieu who gets his ass kicked by d'Artagnan).
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Not just the names; it seems that some of the events and situations in ZnT mirror that of the D'Artagnan novels. Looking at the plot of the third d'Artagnan novel, for example, ZnT's Tabi-Clone Plot is pretty much a version of what happens in the Man in the Iron Mask portion of the book.
 
Actually, people can gain abilities from otherwise brain-traumatic events, but not really recommended. More likely to end up dead and brain damaged.
 
You know this made me a bit curious about how Noble names are created and what rules govern them. Seriously who doesn't want a badass name.

Speaking of Gamer Body perks It will be morbidly beautiful to watch people's reaction to Louise being peppered by a hundred arrows but still standing and fighting since those arrows only took out 100 HP out of her 2000 HP. It would be similar to fighting a Plague Marine.
 
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I'm still not really understanding why Montmorency cares, aside from some speculation about Louise's apparent change in personality. This lack of understanding is my failing, to be sure, so maybe somebody can explain to me why one of the people who just spent a year or so bullying her is suddenly being nice to her?

In fact, shouldn't Louise not have even been able to move with those injuries, pain-ignoring aside (or is that not true?)? I know that it's The Gamer, but Montmorency doesn't...
 
chocolote12 said:
I'm still not really understanding why Montmorency cares, aside from some speculation about Louise's apparent change in personality. This lack of understanding is my failing, to be sure, so maybe somebody can explain to me why one of the people who just spent a year or so bullying her is suddenly being nice to her?

In fact, shouldn't Louise not have even been able to move with those injuries, pain-ignoring aside (or is that not true?)? I know that it's The Gamer, but Montmorency doesn't...
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I believe its been stated that she did not bully Louise in this story atleast? The one thing that you could blame her for then, is just standing by and looking and not doing anything while Louise was being bullied by others.

I think thats why the author stated that she feels guilty maybe?

Think of her like a person at school who sees someone else being bullied. She knows its wrong, and she would never do it herself. But despite knowing that its wrong, she never does anything. Never rises to defend the person who has no magic and can't really defend herself, despite everyone in the school acting worse and worse. She just watches, lacking the courage to do what deep down she knows is right and what she should do.

Then there is a scene where the person she never helped, helps HER (the whole perfume scene), despite having no reason. Guilt Guilt Guilt. And now, she learns that the person she never bothered to help has suffered brain damage. TripleXsuper-guilt
 
With no knowledge of the situation is sorta sounds to me like Louise is trying to kill herself. Maybe not intentionally but that's the main goal, to go out in an attempted blaze of glory rather than self-injury.

From Montmorency's point of view, Louise ventured out and tried to become an adventurer. This was after a big failure in front of everyone that sets her apart. She has no familiar and according to Tristain society that pretty much makes her a failure as a mage. So she goes out and finds this guy to teach her even though she has no magic with the goal of becoming an adventurer and going out on dangerous quests. And then she goes and trains day in and day out and through the night and fights through painful injuries that should have her curled up in pain.

To some that would look like insane levels of dedication. To others that looks like trying to get yourself killed.
 
chocolote12 said:
I'm still not really understanding why Montmorency cares, aside from some speculation about Louise's apparent change in personality. This lack of understanding is my failing, to be sure, so maybe somebody can explain to me why one of the people who just spent a year or so bullying her is suddenly being nice to her?
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Empathy. Is a quality doctors usually have.

minuseven said:
The <Gamer's Body> is... not merely internal. Louise can and does bleed, but does not suffer from blood loss (and HP loss with it) unless the wound somehow has a <Bleeding> effect. Louise does suffer broken bones and the likes, but she'd be able to stand up even if her leg tendons were cut, despite the impossibility of it (even considering the lack of pain). For 'some reason' fractures tend towards being clean breaks. Nerve damage would require specific attacks to induce. Etc...
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Wow, that is hardcore.
 
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