Is the Worm spreading?
What I've found out about Fanfiction is it tends to stem from the audience's plan to fix a facet of the show/book/comic/media that annoyed them. Series that get lots of FF tends towards those that while being in an interesting world or setting have plot points people felt was misused and need to be repaired. Some times yaoi fangirls get involved and they decide the problem with the series was the lack of every single male on the show not being official romantic couples. This is why of the 15K+ fanfics for Gundam Wing on FF.net... well over half of them exist only to pair off the male cast members with each other. Writing quality is often at the same level as the premise. In general fanfiction written only to ship a particular couple tends to fail in quality and content as the only point of it was pairing those two off and the thought going into the work ends right there.

This is also why so many really good series end up with no fanfics. There wasn't anything anyone wanted to 'fix' so little to no work is done by he fanbase.

Worm is an apparently engaging series... I've not read it as I've heard the first part is a miserable slog of torment to get through. Its got all the elements that attract people to the story and generate Fanfiction. Developed characters. An interesting setting. A super power system that can be diverged a million billion ways without hurting the main essence of the story. Grim Dark that you can work around without requiring that some one on the literal other side of the world does something stupid and feeds everyone to horrors from the beyond accidentally, if the happiness of the story gets to much of a foothold. As a law of physics.

FoZ itself was largely considered not worth dealing with for years. The main issue being that its wasn't the setting that was the issue so much as Louise being herself that caused the issues. Louise (fairly or not) was considered as a 2000s era female lead for a chick flick. See in the '90s a chick flick was characterized by having one person die slowly and using this as vehicle for cathartic feels. In the 2000s the model changed. The basic plot became: Female lead with as few redeeming characteristics and personality traits as thematically possible is completely undatable. So she dates anyway and whatever guy she is inflicting herself on is battered and twisted until he becomes 'perfect' for her. The less effort she puts into the relationship and the more undatable she is the more stable the relationship ends up.

Whether Louise actually is one of these undatable girls that gets human male clay and warps him to her 'needs' while remaining unchanged at the beginning of the story is a judgement call. Though that is the literal true of a later clone of her named Palm Top Tiger.

No one really touched the series until 'Hill of Swords' got written and people found the fulcrum of change in Louise summoning a different familiar. Now people admit FoZ exists to have Fanfics of it.
 
What I've found out about Fanfiction is it tends to stem from the audience's plan to fix a facet of the show/book/comic/media that annoyed them. Series that get lots of FF tends towards those that while being in an interesting world or setting have plot points people felt was misused and need to be repaired. Some times yaoi fangirls get involved and they decide the problem with the series was the lack of every single male on the show not being official romantic couples. This is why of the 15K+ fanfics for Gundam Wing on FF.net... well over half of them exist only to pair off the male cast members with each other. Writing quality is often at the same level as the premise. In general fanfiction written only to ship a particular couple tends to fail in quality and content as the only point of it was pairing those two off and the thought going into the work ends right there.

This is also why so many really good series end up with no fanfics. There wasn't anything anyone wanted to 'fix' so little to no work is done by he fanbase.

Worm is an apparently engaging series... I've not read it as I've heard the first part is a miserable slog of torment to get through. Its got all the elements that attract people to the story and generate Fanfiction. Developed characters. An interesting setting. A super power system that can be diverged a million billion ways without hurting the main essence of the story. Grim Dark that you can work around without requiring that some one on the literal other side of the world does something stupid and feeds everyone to horrors from the beyond accidentally, if the happiness of the story gets to much of a foothold. As a law of physics.

FoZ itself was largely considered not worth dealing with for years. The main issue being that its wasn't the setting that was the issue so much as Louise being herself that caused the issues. Louise (fairly or not) was considered as a 2000s era female lead for a chick flick. See in the '90s a chick flick was characterized by having one person die slowly and using this as vehicle for cathartic feels. In the 2000s the model changed. The basic plot became: Female lead with as few redeeming characteristics and personality traits as thematically possible is completely undatable. So she dates anyway and whatever guy she is inflicting herself on is battered and twisted until he becomes 'perfect' for her. The less effort she puts into the relationship and the more undatable she is the more stable the relationship ends up.

Whether Louise actually is one of these undatable girls that gets human male clay and warps him to her 'needs' while remaining unchanged at the beginning of the story is a judgement call. Though that is the literal true of a later clone of her named Palm Top Tiger.

No one really touched the series until 'Hill of Swords' got written and people found the fulcrum of change in Louise summoning a different familiar. Now people admit FoZ exists to have Fanfics of it.
And this is relevant for a The Gamer and Familiar of Zero story how exactly?

I like Worm as much as the next guy but its getting really tiresome how people constantly bring it up in threads that have nothing to do with it. Taylor this and Taylor that. Taylor is not in this story. This story is about Louise de le Valiere. That's what the guy you quoted was talking about about. He was not asking about an extensive analysis of fanfiction popularity. Worm is not the slightest bit relevant to this story.
 
the Gryphon and Dragon Knights might only be recruited from mages who summon the relevant beastie as a familar but it seems unlikely due to the relative numbers

Eh. The numbers work out if you think about it.

Tristain is Belgium + Netherlands size wise and the time period is around the 17th century. Near as I can tell the Netherlands had a total population of 3.8 million people in the mid 17th century. Population figures for Belgium are a lot harder to find from that era, mostly because it didn't exist as an independent nation, but looking at the earliest figure I have (1700) and comparing rough population growth rates I'd put it at around 3 million.

Combined that gives Tristain a population of around 6.8 million, quite possibly more depending upon how effective mages are at boosting crop yields, of which approximately 10% are mages.

That means we're talking about 680,000 mages. We also have to consider that there just aren't that many dragon/manticore/griffin knights out there. Let's say there are 100 of each which puts the total at around 300 or enough for 6 dragon/manticore/griffin knights per ship in Tristain's air-force, assuming it's about the same size of Romania's and Albion's at 50 ships.

If we assume that a quarter of the total mage population falls into the range of being combat capable knights (20yrs to 40yrs) then only about 1 in every 50 need to summon an appropriate familiar with the prestige of the position ensuring that the vast majority of those who do end up in the appropriate corps.


So it's certainly within the realm of possibility.
 
And this is relevant for a The Gamer and Familiar of Zero story how exactly?
Because the second half of my post exists? You know the parts about why people write FoZ fanfiction in the first place? The parts about why alternate familiar fics are a thing? The parts that specifically use the unrelated series as a minion branching back into the topic of the thread?
 
If we assume that a quarter of the total mage population falls into the range of being combat capable knights (20yrs to 40yrs) then only about 1 in every 50 need to summon an appropriate familiar with the prestige of the position ensuring that the vast majority of those who do end up in the appropriate corps.


So it's certainly within the realm of possibility.

Would it be considered an asspull to think that some orders of knights have different sorts of summoning rituals, some that attract a specific type of creature?
 
Combined that gives Tristain a population of around 6.8 million, quite possibly more depending upon how effective mages are at boosting crop yields, of which approximately 10% are mages.
I'm thinking maybe closer to 1-2%?
Would it be considered an asspull to think that some orders of knights have different sorts of summoning rituals, some that attract a specific type of creature?
If there was a spell that disproportionately pulled Gryphons and Dragons then every single mage there is would use it. I mean seriously, frog or dragon? No contest.
 
I like how they both are in a current mindset were their attempts to be friendly and help each other will actually build of each and be more effective because of it.
 
Something I think people are missing is connected to how we see alot of the mages: that being, most of the Mages we see in FoZ are fighters. Nobles in various positions fighting in the myriad wars. Which leads into what I think you are all missing.

Familiar Casualties.

Can you imagine, how many familiars likely die during either the course of War and it's battles, or for those more adventurous types or outlaws? How many of the familiars actually able to fight are killed by enemy mages, soldiers, all the other stuff that could kill them? Or, with the runes compelling them too, throw themselves in front of an otherwise lethal attack to save their master?

Another point is, in this same category, Noble Mages with familiars unsuited to combat, who go to war and leave their Familiars at home. Can you imagine MonMon, for example, bringing her toad to a battlefield?

Unless she juiced that thing up with potions and magic, it's just going to get stepped on. Or lightening Bolted.

There are probably alot more Familiars then what we see. Just regulated to the background because they aren't important.
 
I'm thinking maybe closer to 1-2%?

If there was a spell that disproportionately pulled Gryphons and Dragons then every single mage there is would use it. I mean seriously, frog or dragon? No contest.

the 10% is canon. Tristain has a disproportionately large number of mages to commoners compared to the other countries.

as for the spell, it wouldn't necessarily be something anyone could cast. maybe it would require more willpower than the average mage has. maybe its a military secret, held only by the crown and the captains of each Knight corps. maybe the people who have this spell don't want every noble to have half a ton of fire breathing muscle at their beck and call.

everyone not having dragons does not mean there is no spell designed to summon one specifically.
 
Well, the spell pulls the familiar most suited for you... so if a mage managed to tame a legendary beast such as a griffon or dragon before summoning, I'd say they would likely summon that beastie over a random wild one.

This would also explain how they could replace mounts without relying on the runes to train wild animals from scratch 100% of the time. Spend some time with one of the friendly tame stableborn beasts instead and summon them as your new steed.
 
Well, the spell pulls the familiar most suited for you... so if a mage managed to tame a legendary beast such as a griffon or dragon before summoning, I'd say they would likely summon that beastie over a random wild one.

This would also explain how they could replace mounts without relying on the runes to train wild animals from scratch 100% of the time. Spend some time with one of the friendly tame stableborn beasts instead and summon them as your new steed.
Or just bind them as it was shown to be separate
 
Do have in account the amount of food, time and other precious resources a familiar (specially a big one) needs. Then consider that a summoning ritual is relatively random.

You are a poor mage who just wants a little helper for your day to day weather magic business. Maybe an owl? An owl would be cool. Summon. Summon a Gryphon. Ooops. Now you can either kill it (hard and disapproved of) or you can join the military (but what if you don't want to join the military!?).
 
So with the way the Gamer's Body work in this setting, those injuries she has suffered, what happens to them once her health goes back to full? Will they just disappear? Does she essentially posses a powerful form of regeneration expressing itself though the Gamer mechanics?
 
Taylor?

Is the Worm spreading?
I just wanted to point out a (likely innocent) mistake and make a weak joke.
Copacetic is a Worm fic where a very similar thing (which was summarized in the spoiler in the post you quoted) happened.
That wasn't a mistake.

Now you can either kill it (hard and disapproved of) or you can join the military (but what if you don't want to join the military!?).
Is there any evidence that everyone who summons a gryphon is drafted?
 
So with the way the Gamer's Body work in this setting, those injuries she has suffered, what happens to them once her health goes back to full? Will they just disappear? Does she essentially posses a powerful form of regeneration expressing itself though the Gamer mechanics?

Yes.

well, that or the injuries stay for as long as they normally would, and as such continue to build up while Louise puppets her mangled body with spirit magic, unknowing and uncaring of the horrible wounds she bares.
 
You are a poor mage who just wants a little helper for your day to day weather magic business. Maybe an owl? An owl would be cool. Summon. Summon a Gryphon. Ooops. Now you can either kill it (hard and disapproved of) or you can join the military (but what if you don't want to join the military!?).
Leave it unbound (and thus, not linked to you in a conclusive manner) to roam the countryside menacing sheep. Eventually it will leave the area or someone else will kill it for being a nuisance.

...If that was actually how most mages dealt with unwanted summons, it makes sense how Halkegenia is still a deathcontinent after 6000 years. Endless waves of invasive species.
 
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Is there any evidence that everyone who summons a gryphon is drafted?
No, but where else are you going to find a job that offers familiar-care for free?
Leave it unbound (and thus, not linked to you in a conclusive manner) to roam the countryside menacing sheep. Eventually it will leave the area or someone else will kill it for being a nuisance.
Sure, leave it unbound. I'm sure it won't come after you at all. Like, positive. It can't possibly be pissed at being summoned. That's ludicrous. Right?
 
The upside alternative is you could sell the Gryphon.

Consider this: The Dragon Corps, Gryphon Corps, all those military bodies that use flying creatures can't rely on just summoning like someone suggested. They need to be able to breed their own stock. If you are a Mage and you summon a Gryphon you can't keep, you could feasibly sell it to one of those said military bodies. It can either be broken in and tamed, or it can be added to the breeding stock, increasing the genetic pool for which Breeders can draw on when they are looking to make favorable pairs. Magically summoned Gryphons, if the spell is efficient, would at least be of decent stock, healthy, and in good shape.

There are TONS of applications for unwanted summons if you are willing to look. Dog breeders for war dogs, cats are cats and cats are always wanted. Etc etc. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a booming market for animals in the kingdoms.
 
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Yes.

well, that or the injuries stay for as long as they normally would, and as such continue to build up while Louise puppets her mangled body with spirit magic, unknowing and uncaring of the horrible wounds she bares.

Eventually she ends up like Darth Sion from KotOR II, a bunch of shattered bits of bone and scraps of skin held together in a human shape, and at that point we've gone full Nightmare Fuel.
 
Eventually she ends up like Darth Sion from KotOR II, a bunch of shattered bits of bone and scraps of skin held together in a human shape, and at that point we've gone full Nightmare Fuel.
Except noone can tell, because Gamer's body. So not nightmare fuel, unless Montmorency rats her out to her mother.
 
nope, still nightmare fuel, its just fridge horror as well.

the fact that no one (not even Louise) can tell that she should be a mangled corpse just amps it up higher.
Did we get confirmation on whether the bruises show up or not? She should have a real shiner from that combo to the face, since she still bleeds it's reasonable that some of the damage would be visible even if her bones never shift out of place.

Heh, since blood loss does not affect her she can dramatically spit up blood like a DBZ hero.
 
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