Oh, uh...wasn't my intention, actually. Though, now that you're here...
Is Edmund Burke still the British Prime Minister?
La Chanson de la Victoire (The Song of Victory): La Petite Arpenteuse (Non, SV, you are a General of France in the Napoleonic War!)
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How many departements are there in France currently?
And has Napoleon created the job of 'prefet' yet?
Edit: also, what is the current status of Lasalle?
EDit2: did Lavoisier survive ITTL, given the changed political climate (executed in May 1794 OTL under false accusations of corruption)?
And has Napoleon created the job of 'prefet' yet?
Edit: also, what is the current status of Lasalle?
EDit2: did Lavoisier survive ITTL, given the changed political climate (executed in May 1794 OTL under false accusations of corruption)?
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Depends on who they're pointed at.
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Well that depends… do you wan the Russians controlling the Bosporus.
I think we should also list Therese's Fate Bio in Apocrypha as well in case anyone wants to see it.
Seeing that Russia is starting to turn hostile to the French Empire, a policy of containment must be enacted. The Bosporus is a vital part of that policy. Helping the Ottomans is also important as they are one of the few friendly nations and a potential route to India.
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The problem is, there are certain elements that see this as a win.
The Christians like the fact the infidel are kicked out of a holy city.
The Russian supporters like Russia taking up some arms and kicking ass, as they wish to push for a more... Franco Russian Allience.
And of course, there are the Monarchists who want Louis to start branching out.
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or a Constitutional monarchy
Honestly, I'm almost more in favor of containing Russia.
...Maybe. I'll have to hear what they offer first.
...Maybe. I'll have to hear what they offer first.
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I really would prefer we persuade Russia to at least be neutral to us, if not friendly. We all know that Britain is itching to start the Third Coalition to put the upstart French in their place (and even after some blunders that have weakened their diplomactic prowess, they may still be able to pull it off), and we need to try and deny as many potential coalition members as possible. That said, only time will tell how things will go regarding Russia.
To Make Kings: Italian Edition
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To Make Kings: Italian Edition
You had opened the door to Napoleon's office and get a great deal of annoyance as Napoleon did not look up to notice. "Pierre, I have already told you that I wish not to be disturbed."
"That's funny, he never told me that you did not want to be disturbed by me." You replied as you sat down, and a smile rose on your face, seeing the horror and later relaxation from Napoleon take hold.
He seemed annoyed that you were here. "Is there anything I can help you with?" He asked he went back to writing papers.
"Yes. I hope to see the list of the men you wish to make King." You replied.
Napoleon raised an eyebrow, before looking up and putting down his pen, chewing on his thoughts and something in his mouth, before he shook his head. "I did not think you would care about the death of the republics. They had chosen to elect a new king, and I am granting them their new candidates."
While the republics' desire for a monarch surprised you, even to this day, you did not take the bait that Napoleon was offering. He was trying to tease you, to play into your promise to him.
"May I see the list?" You asked.
That made Napoleon frown, before handing over the list to the King of Italy. as you looked towards the list of names he has chosen. "I didn't think you cared so much about this matter?"
"I do. Especially because it involves Brian." You replied as you gazed at the list.
"I would have thought you would try to make the other kingdoms have kings that would be more stomaching to a parliament?" He asked.
"I know I cannot stop you from doing that." You replied. "But what I can do is make sure the most loyal man can sit on the Italian Throne." You replied.
"You have trust in your judgment of character?" Napoleon asked.
"It hasn't failed me yet." You replied.
And you looked at the list.
Well, quite the candidates:
Which do you support?:
[]Thérèse Auclair: He want's to choose you? You are flattered but why?
[]Brian Auclair: Your Brother, your protector for most of your life, and possibly the last person that would wish to become an autocratic monarch of Italy. You know for a fact, he would have started a republic if Napoleon had deemed that from him. But you consider that if you support him, he would have a greater chance than the others for becoming King. The thing that troubles you, is this: His loyalty to the Revolution, to the ideas that it champions, along with his independent attitude, and ability to say no to Napoleon… may cause a great deal of friction between him and Napoleon. He is a masterful administrator, a brilliant soldier, and a capable General. And the fact he is a Frenchman, not Italian… well that can cause a great deal of trouble, to the more nationalistic of the Italians.
[]Napoleon: He wants to crown himself king of Italy? That is quite a stretch, considering that most of the northern Italians dislike him for forcing him to become republics, then into a monarchy under his crown. However, this makes a great deal of sense. He is Italian, he is the Emperor, and there may be a certain level of prestige that Italy can claim. That he is also everything that the Italians look for a king and more… well it is a no brainer as to why they would choose him?
[]Andre Massena: Napoleon's Man, through and through. That is the best way you can describe him. A vicious looter, and a masterful general, who, in a pinch, can be relied upon to be a brilliant army commander and administrator. He is of Italian blood, and the former nobles and the higher republicans who had gained much with Napoleon's victory were without question eager to see him crowned king. The problem is his corruption. Dare you say he could be expected to beggar his realm with vanity projects of wars of conquest with his neighbors or personal glory. But Napoleon loves him for his loyalty. And that man is loyal to his Emperor without question.
[]Joseph Bonaparte: Napoleon's brother. Possibly the only administrator that you consider Napoleon's equal in administrative and legal matters. He may have been a republican, but he is loyal to his brother. You don't know too much about him personally, but you know he is someone who takes his work very seriously. A man who can do the best for the Italian people, and for Napoleon. The best of both worlds.
[]Choose another: Write in a name here!
AN: You know something funny happened when writing the update.
I almost put Severin as a candidate for the Italian throne.
I then realized he had no business being granted a kingdom, even though he is a member of our inner circle.
Maybe a German crown, probably will make more sense.
Or we can send him to Sweeden when they have their succession crisis.
You had opened the door to Napoleon's office and get a great deal of annoyance as Napoleon did not look up to notice. "Pierre, I have already told you that I wish not to be disturbed."
"That's funny, he never told me that you did not want to be disturbed by me." You replied as you sat down, and a smile rose on your face, seeing the horror and later relaxation from Napoleon take hold.
He seemed annoyed that you were here. "Is there anything I can help you with?" He asked he went back to writing papers.
"Yes. I hope to see the list of the men you wish to make King." You replied.
Napoleon raised an eyebrow, before looking up and putting down his pen, chewing on his thoughts and something in his mouth, before he shook his head. "I did not think you would care about the death of the republics. They had chosen to elect a new king, and I am granting them their new candidates."
While the republics' desire for a monarch surprised you, even to this day, you did not take the bait that Napoleon was offering. He was trying to tease you, to play into your promise to him.
"May I see the list?" You asked.
That made Napoleon frown, before handing over the list to the King of Italy. as you looked towards the list of names he has chosen. "I didn't think you cared so much about this matter?"
"I do. Especially because it involves Brian." You replied as you gazed at the list.
"I would have thought you would try to make the other kingdoms have kings that would be more stomaching to a parliament?" He asked.
"I know I cannot stop you from doing that." You replied. "But what I can do is make sure the most loyal man can sit on the Italian Throne." You replied.
"You have trust in your judgment of character?" Napoleon asked.
"It hasn't failed me yet." You replied.
And you looked at the list.
Well, quite the candidates:
Which do you support?:
[]Thérèse Auclair: He want's to choose you? You are flattered but why?
[]Brian Auclair: Your Brother, your protector for most of your life, and possibly the last person that would wish to become an autocratic monarch of Italy. You know for a fact, he would have started a republic if Napoleon had deemed that from him. But you consider that if you support him, he would have a greater chance than the others for becoming King. The thing that troubles you, is this: His loyalty to the Revolution, to the ideas that it champions, along with his independent attitude, and ability to say no to Napoleon… may cause a great deal of friction between him and Napoleon. He is a masterful administrator, a brilliant soldier, and a capable General. And the fact he is a Frenchman, not Italian… well that can cause a great deal of trouble, to the more nationalistic of the Italians.
[]Napoleon: He wants to crown himself king of Italy? That is quite a stretch, considering that most of the northern Italians dislike him for forcing him to become republics, then into a monarchy under his crown. However, this makes a great deal of sense. He is Italian, he is the Emperor, and there may be a certain level of prestige that Italy can claim. That he is also everything that the Italians look for a king and more… well it is a no brainer as to why they would choose him?
[]Andre Massena: Napoleon's Man, through and through. That is the best way you can describe him. A vicious looter, and a masterful general, who, in a pinch, can be relied upon to be a brilliant army commander and administrator. He is of Italian blood, and the former nobles and the higher republicans who had gained much with Napoleon's victory were without question eager to see him crowned king. The problem is his corruption. Dare you say he could be expected to beggar his realm with vanity projects of wars of conquest with his neighbors or personal glory. But Napoleon loves him for his loyalty. And that man is loyal to his Emperor without question.
[]Joseph Bonaparte: Napoleon's brother. Possibly the only administrator that you consider Napoleon's equal in administrative and legal matters. He may have been a republican, but he is loyal to his brother. You don't know too much about him personally, but you know he is someone who takes his work very seriously. A man who can do the best for the Italian people, and for Napoleon. The best of both worlds.
[]Choose another: Write in a name here!
AN: You know something funny happened when writing the update.
I almost put Severin as a candidate for the Italian throne.
I then realized he had no business being granted a kingdom, even though he is a member of our inner circle.
Maybe a German crown, probably will make more sense.
Or we can send him to Sweeden when they have their succession crisis.
Hmmm...
I'm considering either Joseph or Brian, to be frank. Therese isn't cut out for ruling alone (not YET, anyways), Massena would be loyal, but too problematic overall and Nappy doesn't need his head getting any more bigger through more Titles.
I'm considering either Joseph or Brian, to be frank. Therese isn't cut out for ruling alone (not YET, anyways), Massena would be loyal, but too problematic overall and Nappy doesn't need his head getting any more bigger through more Titles.
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But knowing Napoleon... He might try to do it on a another crown.
Like Spain.
Oh, maybe. But we can deal with that when it comes to it.
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[X]Joseph Bonaparte: Napoleon's brother. Possibly the only administrator that you consider Napoleon's equal in administrative and legal matters. He may have been a republican, but he is loyal to his brother. You don't know too much about him personally, but you know he is someone who takes his work very seriously. A man who can do the best for the Italian people, and for Napoleon. The best of both worlds.
He did a fantastic job in Naples OTL IIRC. I would like to see what he can do with the whole of Italy. Granted he was only King of Naples for a short while(2 years), but what he did during that time (and he got a lot done in such a short time) is very encouraging.
He did a fantastic job in Naples OTL IIRC. I would like to see what he can do with the whole of Italy. Granted he was only King of Naples for a short while(2 years), but what he did during that time (and he got a lot done in such a short time) is very encouraging.
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[X]Joseph Bonaparte: Napoleon's brother. Possibly the only administrator that you consider Napoleon's equal in administrative and legal matters. He may have been a republican, but he is loyal to his brother. You don't know too much about him personally, but you know he is someone who takes his work very seriously. A man who can do the best for the Italian people, and for Napoleon. The best of both worlds.
...I actually think Joseph isn't a bad pick, I know Brian wants it, but like I feel like if I had to put up anyone as like an intriguing pick I think this is the one I'd go for.
...I actually think Joseph isn't a bad pick, I know Brian wants it, but like I feel like if I had to put up anyone as like an intriguing pick I think this is the one I'd go for.
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[X]Joseph Bonaparte: Napoleon's brother. Possibly the only administrator that you consider Napoleon's equal in administrative and legal matters. He may have been a republican, but he is loyal to his brother. You don't know too much about him personally, but you know he is someone who takes his work very seriously. A man who can do the best for the Italian people, and for Napoleon. The best of both worlds.
EDIT: Changed my Vote.
EDIT: Changed my Vote.
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[X]Brian Auclair: Your Brother, your protector for most of your life, and possibly the last person that would wish to become an autocratic monarch of Italy. You know for a fact, he would have started a republic if Napoleon had deemed that from him. But you consider that if you support him, he would have a greater chance than the others for becoming King. The thing that troubles you, is this: His loyalty to the Revolution, to the ideas that it champions, along with his independent attitude, and ability to say no to Napoleon… may cause a great deal of friction between him and Napoleon. He is a masterful administrator, a brilliant soldier, and a capable General. And the fact he is a Frenchman, not Italian… well that can cause a great deal of trouble, to the more nationalistic of the Italians.
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[X]Joseph Bonaparte: Napoleon's brother. Possibly the only administrator that you consider Napoleon's equal in administrative and legal matters. He may have been a republican, but he is loyal to his brother. You don't know too much about him personally, but you know he is someone who takes his work very seriously. A man who can do the best for the Italian people, and for Napoleon. The best of both worlds.
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[X]Brian Auclair: Your Brother, your protector for most of your life, and possibly the last person that would wish to become an autocratic monarch of Italy. You know for a fact, he would have started a republic if Napoleon had deemed that from him. But you consider that if you support him, he would have a greater chance than the others for becoming King. The thing that troubles you, is this: His loyalty to the Revolution, to the ideas that it champions, along with his independent attitude, and ability to say no to Napoleon… may cause a great deal of friction between him and Napoleon. He is a masterful administrator, a brilliant soldier, and a capable General. And the fact he is a Frenchman, not Italian… well that can cause a great deal of trouble, to the more nationalistic of the Italians.
He did ask us to get him the job.
He did ask us to get him the job.
[X]Brian Auclair: Your Brother, your protector for most of your life, and possibly the last person that would wish to become an autocratic monarch of Italy. You know for a fact, he would have started a republic if Napoleon had deemed that from him. But you consider that if you support him, he would have a greater chance than the others for becoming King. The thing that troubles you, is this: His loyalty to the Revolution, to the ideas that it champions, along with his independent attitude, and ability to say no to Napoleon… may cause a great deal of friction between him and Napoleon. He is a masterful administrator, a brilliant soldier, and a capable General. And the fact he is a Frenchman, not Italian… well that can cause a great deal of trouble, to the more nationalistic of the Italians.
Well, he asked.
Well, he asked.
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[X]Brian Auclair: Your Brother, your protector for most of your life, and possibly the last person that would wish to become an autocratic monarch of Italy. You know for a fact, he would have started a republic if Napoleon had deemed that from him. But you consider that if you support him, he would have a greater chance than the others for becoming King. The thing that troubles you, is this: His loyalty to the Revolution, to the ideas that it champions, along with his independent attitude, and ability to say no to Napoleon… may cause a great deal of friction between him and Napoleon. He is a masterful administrator, a brilliant soldier, and a capable General. And the fact he is a Frenchman, not Italian… well that can cause a great deal of trouble, to the more nationalistic of the Italians.