Magoose
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Well they needed to keep crew so they justified the risk by the benefits they offer!
La Chanson de la Victoire (The Song of Victory): La Petite Arpenteuse (Non, SV, you are a General of France in the Napoleonic War!)
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Sir_Travelsalot
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I understand why it was done, I just always found it funny that pirates were the first to engage in the practice.
Also Blackbeard was much nicer then what we know of him today
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A few random thoughts:
1) Egypt campaign (if we do it), seems actually doable right now, or at least very likely to be better than OTL, as the RN is not actively opposing us, which means no Aboukir (unless UK attacks us, of course), which means French Navy dominates the western med, which means secure logistics along the coast (very much the reverse of OTL)
2) We cannot on our own decide to abort, given, as far as we know, how many of our patrons and friends literaly risked their heads to let us go (rather than be tried for treason straight away). going back without orders would, again, as far as we know, not only put our life as risk, but also theirs, not to mention Louis and Charlotte.
3) Are we, as far as we know, at war with the Ottoman empire? If not, we can request from Paris a formal declaration of war to be declared just before our attack on Egypt. Request to know when the declaration will be provided to the Ottomans so we can plan on our attack. That might actually trigger a 'Shit, we are planning to restart a war at a time we really need Peace to rebuild. Better call her back straight away' moment in Paris.
1) Egypt campaign (if we do it), seems actually doable right now, or at least very likely to be better than OTL, as the RN is not actively opposing us, which means no Aboukir (unless UK attacks us, of course), which means French Navy dominates the western med, which means secure logistics along the coast (very much the reverse of OTL)
2) We cannot on our own decide to abort, given, as far as we know, how many of our patrons and friends literaly risked their heads to let us go (rather than be tried for treason straight away). going back without orders would, again, as far as we know, not only put our life as risk, but also theirs, not to mention Louis and Charlotte.
3) Are we, as far as we know, at war with the Ottoman empire? If not, we can request from Paris a formal declaration of war to be declared just before our attack on Egypt. Request to know when the declaration will be provided to the Ottomans so we can plan on our attack. That might actually trigger a 'Shit, we are planning to restart a war at a time we really need Peace to rebuild. Better call her back straight away' moment in Paris.
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We aren't, as far as I know, actually at war with the Ottomans at the present. Hell, a surprising thing is that the French Republican government, at least before the Directory, they had some pretty stable relations with the Ottomans, with the latter shipping them much needed grain.
Besides that, the Egyptian campaign was a pretty closely guarded secret IOTL, very few knew where they were actually going but Egypt was a popular theory.
Besides that, the Egyptian campaign was a pretty closely guarded secret IOTL, very few knew where they were actually going but Egypt was a popular theory.
So we get no other Choice in the Quest now but to act as cruel, evil and stupid as possible?
Yaaay...
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Dude, we just invaded a country and are in the midst of planning to militarily subjugate another without a declaration of war. That's already pretty morally dubious, we're just gonna be showing the troubles of occupation, because, let's be honest, there's no such thing as a kind invader.So we get no other Choice in the Quest now but to act as cruel, evil and stupid as possible?
Yaaay...
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debatable outlook but not unfair.
still if we do keep the local king in power and stuff its not like there be much to rebel about?
sure there be a lot of unhappy ppl about because most of the local army just got killed, but who going to rebel if most of the army just got killed.
still if we do keep the local king in power and stuff its not like there be much to rebel about?
sure there be a lot of unhappy ppl about because most of the local army just got killed, but who going to rebel if most of the army just got killed.
I'm fine with that. But I dislike the Notion that we can never succeed in making the People accept French Rule sometime in the Future because we only ever get the Option to go 'Lol murder death kill' instead of, you know, actually trying to set up a functioning Occupation or new Government.
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So we get no other Choice in the Quest now but to act as cruel, evil and stupid as possible?
Yaaay...
SV meets consequence of imperialism
Sorry if we cant do wholesome chungus 100 conquering and colonization of other nations
Ffs, that is NOT what I meant and you know it.SV meets consequence of imperialism
Sorry if we cant do wholesome chungus 100 conquering and colonization of other nations
What I mean is my worry, that we apparently have to behave like cackling moustache-twirling Cartoon-Villains and just randomly murder countless Civilians wherever we go and no matter what we are trying to accomplish because of some Notion of 'muh realism'.
But sure, keep misrepresenting what I'm trying to say here.
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I think what Magoose meant by his announcement of us showing the dark side of this occupation is we are gonna be showing the resistance of the natives. They are gonna be ambushing us, killing Frenchmen, we're gonna be doing the same thing, stuff like that. We're not gonna be Attila the Hun or Genghis Khan, but with such a conservative country under our belt, some degree of brutality and resistance is gonna be expected.
If it's just that, then I'm fine with it. As long as we also get the Option to punish our Soldiers when they go too far, like when they are caught stealing without permission or in the act of Rape.
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One thing I do hope that comes in the update is some perspective. We just, you know, invaded a country, subjugated it and are planning to exploit its resources for our gains. We are most certainly the bad guys in this scenario, no matter how nice we try to act.
Fair, but I don't want us to be one-note evil for the sake of evil either.
Also, how bad this all will turn out to be has yet to be decided. The Peace Treaty were planning to go for is fairly lenient and we as Soldiers don't really have a say in how the Government back home will decide to handle Sicily once the Sister Republic has been established.
Magoose
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Well we have Parsha acting as a man inside the country, and we can use him (and he us) to subjugate the Egyptians and see our position secured, either with a puppet sultan, or from the Ottoman's caving to our demands once we achieve our objectives.
While partially correct, situations back have changed dramatically, both governmental, and foreign affairs wise.
We are not at war.
But there is such a thing as a lineiet negotiator, in absolute victory.
We are here to secure our interests and future supply lines. Now if our boys in Paris decide to do something about that, that's on them, not us.
Well that depends. Does Ferdinand have an army to even strike back and retake Sicily from Naples?
No, he does not.
We will not be the one in charge of said occupation, as our orders mean we need to leave to have the element of surprise.
This will not be an easy campaign.
And even with local support from Parsha and his Egyptian allies, we are going to have a tough time of it.
Well... Cyber had some ideas for actions to be used to get those perspectives, spending them to maintain order among our victorious troops, before they do something stupid.
We are not evil, we are commanding an army that is subjugating people.
We may be liberating them from a monarchal oppression, but that does not mean we are not freeing them from oppression of a different sort.
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I mean...one could argue that he was defending the Republic and the Revolution against a foreign sponsored Coup. Which the 13th Vendemaire basically was.
Magoose
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I think Brian is the one who is more Democracy is nonnegociable.
Napoleon is more "Power for me, and not for thee"
Except that here, there have been two domestic coups, one to prevent the Terror (Which is both a good and bad thing), the other was a coup by soldiers that were not paid by the government which had led to two generals and the same man who wanted the terror into power.
It goes to show that the French Revolution seems to be a revolving door of "Good ideas, Shit executions"
Here's hoping Nappy doesn't decide to go despot or Empire on us.
Oh sure, here in the Quest it's a bit different. I was talking about OTL.
Magoose
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Oh... shit.
Sir_Travelsalot
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I dunno, judging by the amount of corpses left in our wake, I'd say the executions might be going too well.
The OTL 13th Vendemaire-Coup, that is. Not the Napoleonic Era altogether. Just to make that clear.