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Into that Vast and Unrelenting Darkness (40K Xeno Civilization Quest)
- Thread starter The Bird
- Start date
- Mature Sci-Fi Fantasy
As far as the blood for art thing goes:
I think we need to take a long think before we do that.
Up until now the use of blood/life force has been used for creating or enhancing life. Expanding beyond that on an institutional level is not trivial.
Now, I'm in no way claiming that Khorne is going to immediately show up, or that we'll definitely get necron'd if we do it. But it's still not a step I'm eager to take for just points. Bond machina and machine spirits are fairly well integrated into society dumping life force on them is fine as far as I can tell. Bringing art to life in a literal way has moral and social implications I'm not sure about since art exists for other people rather than for itself.
I think we need to take a long think before we do that.
Up until now the use of blood/life force has been used for creating or enhancing life. Expanding beyond that on an institutional level is not trivial.
Now, I'm in no way claiming that Khorne is going to immediately show up, or that we'll definitely get necron'd if we do it. But it's still not a step I'm eager to take for just points. Bond machina and machine spirits are fairly well integrated into society dumping life force on them is fine as far as I can tell. Bringing art to life in a literal way has moral and social implications I'm not sure about since art exists for other people rather than for itself.
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I agree: the expansion of blood sacrifice far beyond its original religious context, where is a ritualized, strictly regulated performance, has could lead to all kinds of unexpected social ramifications.
The Tekket have been remarkably sensible about the whole "spilling blood actually works as a potent arcane conduct" thing since that knowledge was bestowed upon them, but still... a more widespread adoption of it issomething that perhaps shouldn't be introduced without careful consideration.
Though I don't quite get why everyone seems to associate Khorne with the practice: to literally pour themselves over their work, to sacrifice a tiny bit of who they are in order to make their craft more grandiose, more inspiring, more beautiful - it's the kind of obsessive dedication that edges closer to Slaneeshi practices, in my opinion.
- Location
- Warsaw
After this turn I think it would be wise to complete the living metal farms. With that done we can get the perpetunite facility and an influx of nuclear material. We can use the other points for the recyclers.
Also get the mag repair protocol since we won't have many points in research after completing shields.
Also get the mag repair protocol since we won't have many points in research after completing shields.
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- barking
mainly in my case we are techinqually doing what he wants blood flowing just not how he would want it and I find imagining his confusion at this funny and I disagree with your slannesh point slannesh is all about excess (which does overlap with khorne) and doing escalation of things cause it gets boring or doesn't give benefits (like the dark eldar and emperors children)
Khorne is emphatically a blood god, and yes the problematic nature of this fact given the other three and things in general is likely intentional on his part.
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
Yeah, I've also noticed that as I was catching up. Often times chunks of 2-3 resources will just go missing between a plan and the next turn.
The Bird
tEM IS GUD...RITER!
- Location
- In that den of villains and scum, OKLAHOMA
As far as I can tell the numbers on the Warp Drive are correct, you've only invested in a single lunar project before the turn in progress, and no plan has invested into an Unending Appetite up to this point.
Ah sorry, there is no recap in the threadmarked posts, so when I searched the pages after last turn I stumbled across the first post which voted for the winning plan and proposed its own plan, leading to my confusion.
- Location
- London
Honestly we should probably do Lunar Salvage Cabals soon, or anything which generates more ART.
I also want to do the extremely advanced nuketek, even if it's very expensive. If only because it gives us weaponry that is actually medium range in space combat, because I don't want to be in space melee range when we fight the Imperium.
Other than that, anything which generates ACD.
What about you guys?
I also want to do the extremely advanced nuketek, even if it's very expensive. If only because it gives us weaponry that is actually medium range in space combat, because I don't want to be in space melee range when we fight the Imperium.
Other than that, anything which generates ACD.
What about you guys?
Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
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- Bedroom
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- He/Him
Lunar monastery plus great conclave would be cool! I'd also appreciate Zoos, Wyld Shrines, and Wyld Drones. What can I say, I really love nature and I think it'd be neat to bridge technology and biology via the power of cute friends.
Plus, toymaker implies fae! Space fae.
Plus, toymaker implies fae! Space fae.
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- London
Oh, and I want to get started on a valiant. We have enough EXP to start doing that while also finishing another 10 or 15 point project.
FUCKING ELDAR!!!
I think it important to keep in mind that this is already happening, we aren't introducing a new untested thing into the Tekket world. The TekArtists are already using there lifeforce in there art and have been doing it for a while now since this options been up for multiple turns 60 years(3 turns each turn length is 20 years and by next turn it will be 80 years) and it been fine nothing terrible happened it in-fact all it done is just improve the quality of there pieces and make the machine spirits they have grow faster nothing terrible totally excepted. Furthermore I think it quite likely that art pieces do have a spirits of some sorts, there city spirits, nature spirits, machine spirits, ship spirits there spirits for every type of thing out there thing it make sense that some art pieces also have the exact same thing going especially famous or noteworthy ones so I have no problem using our life force to strengthen these art spirits the same way we do for many other beings.
On the subject of what we want to do is future turns I want to knock out the 10 and 5 options one andreally want to do the nature spirits one cause it sounds awesome, nature just sick I want to strengthen them, it helps the enviroment makes the wildlife more chill with us and vice versa win win. In general the new faith ones we have unlocked this turn from taking leaving offering to the machine spirits one we have unlocked are all really cool and I want to take them soon. I also want to take one I think we have been sleeping on is
I am very curious to see what will emerge from here it just sounds like a very interesting away to go about strengthening machine spiritis and making a more advanced version of machine spirits/automata. With the sytnhetic souls being modular it won't harm them a insane amount like combining real soul would.
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The problem is that there's a difference between a few yahoos tinkering away at the edges of things and a major social movement. My concern is that art spirits aren't like other machine spirits and won't handle the transition well. Art is generally for experiencing, which might have issues in the context of emerging spiritual minds.
it not just a few weirdos as the option states it a number of tekaristis part of an entire organization and it a noticeable enough amount that machine spirits of tekart grew faster than other machine spirits. This isn't making it a major social movement it just helping providing more volunteers to these artist who wish to enage in it. Machine are for using by other things but machine spirits did just fine in this "transition" which tbh I don't like that term. ART spirits are already there just like machine spirits were already there too just need a little push just like machine spirits did.
Well what do you want to call moving from a sleeping state to a state of greater awareness and agency? Growth? Awakening? I can use those instead if it makes you more comfortable.
It's explicitly making them a major social movement, that's what investing our points represents, especially culture and faith points.
A machine spirit has a purpose, a task, and a general set of parameters. Art spirits have far less grounding. Their primary function is going to be to interact with the souls and minds of people around them. This is not trivial.
It's explicitly making them a major social movement, that's what investing our points represents, especially culture and faith points.
A machine spirit has a purpose, a task, and a general set of parameters. Art spirits have far less grounding. Their primary function is going to be to interact with the souls and minds of people around them. This is not trivial.
I'm pretty sure the reason that it 'significantly increases CUL' Is that it has a huge cultural impact. Like even more then the Space games, which are already prevelant and big enough that "most CityBloks came installed with at least one Grav-Suite for amateur or local teams and leagues." and that only gave 1 cul. (with a bonus of improves physical fitness, because of it being a physical activity). so something that gives sinigicantly more then that, will have a bigger impact.
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- London
Frankly, I'm not even comfortable with the amount of bloodletting we already do. This was a technology given to us by a being we don't fully understand, and it was likely given to us to its own inscrutable ends. There are plenty of other ways to increase our CUL points which are likely safer.
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I don't understand, what could possibly be dangerous about giving our blood to eldritch-robot-gods?
no it fine for some reason it just rubs me the wrong way no real reason behind it though
fair on the second point
I mean I don't think there primary function is gonna be to interact with souls and minds of people around them I don't think they will be able to do that cause I don't think machine spirits can do that imo only available to advanced pysker ones which those machine spirits aren't even a thing yet we have yet to unlock those
The lifeforce stuff tbqh has been shown to be quite safe, not to cause really negative sideffects if I had a choice I would have not chosen to take them but they are here and here to stay already being used throughout our society. It was given to us cause sphere 001 though it would make us stronger give us the strength to surive what to come that bassicly the entire reasoning behind it. Again the Art CUL life force giving is already happening and nothing bad happening besides improving the quality of our art
fair on the second point
I mean I don't think there primary function is gonna be to interact with souls and minds of people around them I don't think they will be able to do that cause I don't think machine spirits can do that imo only available to advanced pysker ones which those machine spirits aren't even a thing yet we have yet to unlock those
I don't think art spirits are gonna be able to communicate with the souls or minds of people what we have seen from the options it just improves the quality or striking element of the piece(which no just cause a piece is higher quaility does not mean it messing with there minds or soul that paronia we have a very good mystek who would be able to notice something like that) I also disagree that art spriits have far less grounding there grounding is in the art pieace and the world it created it tethered to that pieace in some ways less grounded than machine spirits who can wander around.
The lifeforce stuff tbqh has been shown to be quite safe, not to cause really negative sideffects if I had a choice I would have not chosen to take them but they are here and here to stay already being used throughout our society. It was given to us cause sphere 001 though it would make us stronger give us the strength to surive what to come that bassicly the entire reasoning behind it. Again the Art CUL life force giving is already happening and nothing bad happening besides improving the quality of our art
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- barking
we aren't giving them the blood we are giving them our souls we are giving machine spirits the blood
err no we were enagning in the same ritual we do with the machine spirits with us cutting our hand and our life force going to them the same thing we are doing with the machine spirits
Well, we are giving them our "lifeforce" through the medium of blood but do not yet understand what lifeforce is. we need to do the ACD action to investigate it, but even then it seems more focused on utilizing it better over understanding what exactly we are sacrificing.