In Thunder's Echo (Legend of the Five Rings Quest)

[x] Subtle, understated clothing that will deflect attention.
Tinysquid covered everything I have to say.

 
[x] Subtle, understated clothing that will deflect attention.

It may be 'clichéd' Scorpion get-up, but really, everyone's going to be keeping an eye on our clan after the Coup and Day of Thunder, so it's not like we lose as much.

And as was pointed out, we're the junior member of the delegation, not the actual ambassador. Keep to the sides and act as the Scorpion that people can approach quietly for 'off the scrolls' discussions. Plays to our strengths and helps set up the battlefield that favours us.
 
1.14 - Opening court at Shiro Matsu
It does not take you long to settle upon your outfit. You are Scorpion, and more than that you are Soshi - your place is in the shadows behind your lord, whispering advice and information to them without drawing attention to yourself. There are certain minimum requirements for any kind of courtly outfit, but within those bounds it seems safe enough to opt for the less extravagent options. Eventually you settle upon a simple kimono in the traditional style, coloured black and dark red as is appropriate for your Clan, with your Mon picked out in scarlet thread on the darker patches.

Yogo Hanzo has gone for something similar, though his attire is of a rather more severe and intimidating cut that yours. Bayushi Kimoko, by contrast, is wrapped in a beautiful red kimono decorated with golden leaves, her long black hair tied into a single tail and held in place with a series of clips decorated to the point of being minor works of art in their own right. Still, she wears her sword with confidence, and after checking you over to make sure you are appropriately attired she nods and leads the way towards the main hall.

The Matsu guards at the doors to the castle are surprisingly courteous, bowing deeply to the three of you with perfect timing and utter sincerity. Still, you cannot help but notice that they lead you straight into the Main Hall without any diversions, and without giving you a chance to relinquish your swords. Standard custom would be to have a number of junior samurai here to act as 'sword polishers', allowing you to surrender your weapons without shame. To bear weapons into the court of an ally is a grave offense... but then, so is leaving them behind when visiting an enemy. Whether the Matsu intend this as a subtle sign of warning or simply wish to knock you off your stride, it is undeniably a hostile (if understated) act.

The Hall itself is very traditionally laid out, as you would expect from the Lion Clan. The dais where the Family Daimyo sits is positioned at the far end of the hall from the doors, and a large number of cushions have been laid out in a careful pattern before it for guests to kneel on. Many of them are already occupied by Lion warriors, old veterans and promising new officers alike. Around the perimeter of the room there is a large balcony, where guests can observe the goings on of the court below, and where tradition indicates Go tables will be set up.

The Daimyo herself is not present when you arrive, but standing on the steps to the dais is an older Lion dressed in a magnificent outfit of gold and yellow shades. You recognize the open Tori arch symbol of the Ikoma emblazoned over his heart - likely, this is one of the Daimyo's assistants, perhaps her Karo or even Hatamoto. Bayushi Kimoko bows to the Ikoma, is bowed to in turn, and then leads you over to claim some of the cushions. You and Hanzo kneel down behind your lord, flanking her on either side, and resign yourselves to a significant wait.

You are the first delegation to arrive, a fact which Kimoko presumably arranged deliberately, and as such you are in a prime position to witness the other Clan representatives as they stream in and take their own seats. Doing your best to avoid outright staring, you note each group as it arrives and assess their members in turn.

The Crane are the second group to arrive, which is again to be expected, and you recognize the stern figure of Daidoji Chen bringing up the rear. That would make the slender and stylishly dressed woman at the front Doji Mariko, and the whip-thin man at her side... is that a Kakita? Judging by the way the Matsu guards around the edges of the room tense up and glare (even more so) when he enters, yes, you would surmise it is. Hanzo glances at you in a vaguely incredulous fashion when he sees the duelist, and you have to agree. Still, it is their decision.

Next comes the sole representative of the Dragon, a Bushi dressed in dark green and looking to be heavily tattooed. He walks with a kind of serene purpose to the front of the hall, where he bows before the Ikoma and then takes his seat. If the Mirumoto is discomforted by the glaring Matsu, he does not show it.

Fourth to arrive is the Unicorn Clan, with four members dressed in coordinated outfits of rich purple shades. The two men carry only their wakizashis, and judging by their demeanor and symbols you would peg them as a courtier from the Ide family and a Shugenja from the Iuchi respectively. Behind them are a pair of female Bushi, who actually appear to be identical twins, though you cannot see the Mon indicating their family of school from your current position.

Otomo Kairyu enters next, moving swiftly and only nodding briskly to the Ikoma before taking a seat near the front of the hall. Judging by the faint flash in the Lion's eyes such an attitude is not especially welcome, but perhaps the Imperial has a better chance of getting away with it. Still, he entered alone, which suggests he doesn't have much in the way of an actual retinue.

On the Otomo's heels comes the delegation from the Phoenix Clan, walking at a much more sedate pace and bowing deeply to the bard holding precedence over the court. There are only two of them, and neither is from the ruling Isawa family. Instead, if you recall your heraldry correctly, the demure looking woman in the lead is a member of the Asako, while the stern and watchful Bushi behind her is one of the famed Shiba Yojimbo.

You are momentarily surprised by the next arrival, who enters with the kind of bold confidence more appropriate to a member of the Kuge than a visiting guest, but then you are still used to thinking of the Mantis as a minor clan with no business beyond the coastline. The Yoritomo (who are at this stage the only family the Mantis lay claim to, though rumor suggests that might soon change) is dressed in elaborate finery far superior to that being worn by anyone else here. He is accompanied by a silent and severe looking woman in the yellow and black of the Wasp Clan - one of the famed Tsuruchi Archers, no doubt. They stride in together, bow low to the Lion and then take a seat near to the Crane.

Finally, the Crab arrive. The southern Clan have sent four samurai to this Court, though the two hulking Hida Bushi bringing up the rear likely mass enough to count as three warriors by any normal measure. The contrast between them and the tiny woman they are escorting is almost comical, but you know better than to underestimate one of the Yasuki for such a simple reason. The short, muscle-bound Kaiu at her side is more of a surprise, since you would not normally expect an Engineer to find themselves attached to a court delegation. Perhaps he has hidden skills?

Once everyone has arrived and claimed their seats, the Ikoma makes a small gesture towards one of the Bushi standing guard at the side of the hall. The Lion bows, then moves over and slides open a door near the rear of the hall, speaking softly to someone on the far side. The silent tension in the air is palpable - everyone takes Winter Court seriously, even a relatively non-critical one such as this.

Matsu Ketsui, family Daimyo, enters the hall at a brisk march more suited to the parade ground. Clad in gold and yellow she is a striking sight, radiating the threat of lethal violence in an almost-visible aura around her as she moves. Everyone present bows low as she moves to take her throne on the dais, to be answered with a simple nod, and after she is seated it is the Ikoma who steps forwards to address everyone.

"Welcome, honoured samurai, to Shiro Matsu. I am Ikoma Genji, karo to Matsu Ketsui-dono, and I will be coordinating the majority of the scheduled activities for the duration of this Winter Court." He says in the voice of a trained orator. "If you encounter any issues, please bring them to my attention and I will arrange a resolution. Let us begin with an exchange of gifts between guest and host."

What gift have you brought with you?
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GM's note - Your delegation's gift can be almost anything reasonable, since you knew you were going to Winter Court and you've had plenty of time and resources at your disposal to find something appropriate. Remember the general trend, though - symbolic gifts are highly valued, practical gifts are an insult.
 
Not voting yet, but would a vase or a painting be appropriate? I imagine one that depicts a major Lion victory over a foe of theirs would be appreciated, preferably one in which the foe is either a Shadowlands force or a Scorpion force. Have the Scorpion ever gone to war with the Lion*?

*Bonus internet points if the Lion won the battle but lost the war.
 
Not voting yet, but would a vase or a painting be appropriate? I imagine one that depicts a major Lion victory over a foe of theirs would be appreciated, preferably one in which the foe is either a Shadowlands force or a Scorpion force. Have the Scorpion ever gone to war with the Lion*?

*Bonus internet points if the Lion won the battle but lost the war.

I wonder if Scorpions of the past have set spies among the Winter Court they visit *just* to find out what their gift (from the host) would be, in order to choose more wisely their own gift.
 
What would the other delegations bring?

We have to show our power but not flaunt it... at the same time we must bring better presents than the others.

What kind of information our delegation had on the presents of the other delegations?

What would be an okay present in this situation?
 
Not voting yet, but would a vase or a painting be appropriate? I imagine one that depicts a major Lion victory over a foe of theirs would be appreciated, preferably one in which the foe is either a Shadowlands force or a Scorpion force. Have the Scorpion ever gone to war with the Lion*?

*Bonus internet points if the Lion won the battle but lost the war.

As a general rule, if your question is ever something along the lines of 'Have the Lion gone to war with [insert opponent]', 90% of the time the answer is going to be 'yes'.

Remember though, everyone from every Clan is going to see what you give to the Matsu here, and it will colour impressions accordingly.
 
From what little I know, pretty much everyone went to war against everyone else at least at some point, so it's a fairly safe bet that there were battles between Scorpion and Lion.

As for gifts;
Remember the general trend, though - symbolic gifts are highly valued, practical gifts are an insult.
From what I remember reading, something like, say, an old, dull sword of average make that was used by a notable figure before they rose to prominence, would be a far more worthwhile gift than a masterpiece from a famous swordsmith. Even something fairly worthless like a flower could make for a good gift if we can come up with a good story giving it symbolic importance.

That said, I don't really have any idea what, exactly, our gift should look like. Maybe start by considering what exactly we want to convey, here?
 
I'd say that unless we have some particular interests here we should go for something appropriate enough to not cause offense but in some way intriguing enough to make both the Lion and everyone else in court paranoid and looking for deeper meanings and plots in it. We are a Scorpion, let's use and keep our image. :p
 
How about an item that had been taken from the Lion in some past battle or siege? Not necessarily something super important, and preferably something not too warlike. A poetry book, a Go set, a fancy comb, something like that. If it's from an important-ish personage, so much the better.

This shows strength since it remind of a Scorpion victory. It can be framed as a gesture of peace and reconciliation. It can also be made subtly mocking and provocative towards the Lions.
 
How about an item that had been taken from the Lion in some past battle or siege? Not necessarily something super important, and preferably something not too warlike. A poetry book, a Go set, a fancy comb, something like that. If it's from an important-ish personage, so much the better.

This shows strength since it remind of a Scorpion victory. It can be framed as a gesture of peace and reconciliation. It can also be made subtly mocking and provocative towards the Lions.

The Matsu will propably see such a present as an insult since it implies that they were too weak to regain it through force.
 
The Matsu will propably see such a present as an insult since it implies that they were too weak to regain it through force.
The words accompanying the gift matter too. If we say something to the effect of "This belonged to an honourable enemy whose sublime bravery in battle is remembered in a hundred poems by both friend and foe" it send a different message than "Hey, remember when we ganked your dudes? Good times!"

It definitely has a needle hidden in it, but frankly if we give a straightforward gift that would just make them more suspicious :rofl:

I wonder if something old, like previous generation, or something new, like something Kimoko personally took in battle would be better...
 
Bonus - Sirrocco devises a perfect gift
It's symbolic, so we want to figure out what to symbolize... and as a message from the Scorpion, the more levels it can function on, the better.

- Availability requirements: this is but one year, and a *relatively* minor court. Thus, nothing of particular *historical* value, unless it's one of many. (example: a gift crafted from a suit of armor of one of the many dead of the Day of Thunder might be doable. If that one was a named character, though, not so much. )

- To the Matsu: We're not inclined to like them, and they're not inclined to like us, but we're really *very* interested in getting along with them, as well as we can. We may or may not want to layer in a mild insult somewhere, but if we do, we need to make it at a level that the Matsu themselves won't notice.
...As an example, the Scorpion are known for their gardens. If we wanted to insult her, we would bring her some pretty flowers that the Matsu would never know the true uses of - it is a practical gift, and thus an insult, but they *think* it a symbolic gift, and thus to be valued. Perhaps we could instead bring such a thing as a box of potpourri, as such things keep better. Even better if it were more useful as antidote than as poison. It is a symbolic gesture - suggesting that we wish them health and long life and so forth... but it could also be seen as a practical gesture, with the implication that they are hated enough that someone might well try to poison them some time during the Winter Court, and we wish them to be prepared.

- To the Matsu, sub 2: the part that they see should symbolize... something. Some olive branch, some vague offer, some understated and deniable apology, or some acknowledgement of their own abilities.

- In general: We're kind of hated. The Matsu are *also* kind of hated. We can potentially gain points for cleverness with this, but only if it's the sort of thing that the Matsu would never suspect and, preferably, would not believe or could not be told. We really don't want to inflame their opinions of us, though.

- Otomo-sama is here, as is the Crane delegation. Both can be reliably expected to determine every meaning in our gift that is not purely Scorpion-specific. We don't want to include anything that would make us look bad to *them*.

- To the Matsu, sub 3: the Lion are quite war-oriented, but they *do* have some Akodo among their ranks, and the Akodo were known for the study of war. You can pretty much guarantee, for example, that any Akodo general who was worth anything will have read Lies - so that they might know the minds of their enemies, if for no other reason. They also do have their own courtiers, and they're not dumb. If we want to slip something past....

So... my proposal (and I'd welcome others)

[x] An artisan-crafted potpourri box, made of valuable materials from Scorpion lands - preferentially those we'd wish to export (so, iron and jade wherever we can fit them in, using the more valuable woods where wood is called for, and so forth). On the top is carved out the climactic final scene from the Second Day of Thunder. Toturi (marked with Lion clan symbolism to a degree chosen to be flattering for the Lion but not insulting to the Emperor) is the focus of the piece, dramatically striking the head off of Fu Leng. The shards of Ambition protruding from the Dark Lord's eyes are prominent. Doji Hoturi's sword, thrust into his chest, is less emphasized but still quite clearly visible. The box contains a combination of dried herbs picked out both for being pleasant-smelling (perhaps soothing) in combination, and for each being individually useful in medicine, particularly antidotes (for those who know enough to know such things).

The messages are... many.

- It is a moment of triumph for the Lion Clan. It was their Thunder who slew Fu Leng, after all, and he has top billing.
- At a deeper level, though, it is a triumph not so much for the Lion as for the Emperor himself. The Lion had cast him aside, and he led his own army then. When that time was done, he ascended to the imperial throne rather than returning to the Lion... and until he showed up on that day, the armies of the Lion clan had descended into civil war, following the death of the then-Lion Champion Matsu Tsuko. Further, Matsu Tsuko had *hated* Toturi. The fact that the person who took the Lion Clan slot among the Seven Thunders wasn't even Lion Clan at the time is something of a mark of shame for them.
- At another level, it was a triumph for Rokugan. Toturi's blow was the one that officially felled the Dark Lord, but it would not have been enough by itself, had he not also been blinded and impaled (and that's not including all of the work that so many did leading up to it). There is a definite theme of "All of Rokugan working together to allow great heroes to achieve great things" - a message that works equally well whether you are taking Toturi-as-Lion or Toturi-as-Emperor. Again, following this implication out is ever-so-subtly insulting to the Matsu because, again, they weren't exactly pulling their own weight on supporting everyone else. Mostly, the non-Toturi Lion spent this time ravaging other people's lands and then falling into civil war.
- As a refinement of the above, it's in particular picking out the advantages of having a friend in the shadows who's willing to do the ugly-but-useful work to set you up for success. This *again* works on both the Toturi-as-Lion and Toturi-as-Emperor levels, and is being picked out clearly enough that the Lion should be able to see it. It essentially says "We Scorpion may not be the most honorable, and you may not like what we do, but we are useful allies to have, and we're willing to at least open the door about being that sort of allies for you... in a way that you can't reject outright without offering insult to the Emperor."
- There's the pretty clear message of "All right-thinking Rokugani hate the Shadowlands, and we're right there with you." It's not all that subtle, but it's a good message to have in there, just on general principles.
- To the uninitiated, the contents are highlighting that we can produce things of beauty and aesthetic appeal. They really do smell nice, and there's a suggestion of the really *high quality* dried herbs as potpurri as a trade good. To those who know enough to know what these herbs are, there's all *sorts* of suggestions. We're implying (deniably) that others might hate her enough to try to poison her, but asserting that it would not be the Scorpion clan, and that we actually wish to assist her in surviving such attacks. There's the aforementioned "actually, this is a practical gift... kind of" which means that it *could* be seen as an insult... but we can easily laugh that one off because of *course* no one's going to poison the Matsu Family Diamyo. Who would think such a thing? It points out that, again, the Scorpion are useful friends to have in a number of ways (much better as friends than as enemies), and that we have a number of useful medicinal herbs for trade (...and also iron and jade and so forth).

That's most of them, anyway. I *think* that's subtle and multi-layered enough for a Scorpion gift, and it sends mostly the right messages, while offering no insults that the Matsu could prove or would be willing to acknowledge, and possibly none that they'll see. After all, on the surface, it's one of the greatest heroes of the Lion in one of his moments of greatest triumph.
 
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Dang, you put a lot of thought into this! I completely forgot Scorpion was known for their herbs and flowers.

[x] An artisan-crafted potpourri box, made of valuable materials from Scorpion lands (the more precious woods and so forth). On the top is carved out the climactic final scene from the Second Day of Thunder. Toturi (marked with Lion clan symbolism to a degree chosen to be flattering for the Lion but not insulting to the Emperor) is the focus of the piece, dramatically striking the head off of Fu Leng. The shards of Ambition protruding from the Dark Lord's eyes are prominent. Doji Hoturi's sword, thrust into his chest, is less emphasized but still quite clearly visible. The box contains a combination of dried herbs picked out both for being pleasant-smelling (perhaps soothing) in combination, and for each being individually useful in medicine, particularly antidotes (for those who know enough to know such things).
 
Dang, you put a lot of thought into this! I completely forgot Scorpion was known for their herbs and flowers.

Yeah... that's the sort of thing that happens when you have "Scorpion Clan Poison Master" as an important and respected role in clan leadership. Every clan in Rokugan has things that they are badass at, and people who are specifically badass to effectively superhuman levels in those things. The Scorpion Clan took "Badass Gardeners" as on of its picks.
 
[x] An artisan-crafted potpourri box, made of valuable materials from Scorpion lands (the more precious woods and so forth). On the top is carved out the climactic final scene from the Second Day of Thunder. Toturi (marked with Lion clan symbolism to a degree chosen to be flattering for the Lion but not insulting to the Emperor) is the focus of the piece, dramatically striking the head off of Fu Leng. The shards of Ambition protruding from the Dark Lord's eyes are prominent. Doji Hoturi's sword, thrust into his chest, is less emphasized but still quite clearly visible. The box contains a combination of dried herbs picked out both for being pleasant-smelling (perhaps soothing) in combination, and for each being individually useful in medicine, particularly antidotes (for those who know enough to know such things).
 
Oh - and @Maugan Ra, a pertinent question... The Matsu had us bear our weapons in. Which other delegations did they do that with? They're fairly clearly sending a message that they consider us at least something of an enemy, and it would be useful to know who else they are declaring as such.
 
[X] Sirrocco

I think it's dead-on appropriate.
 
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