In Thunder's Echo (Legend of the Five Rings Quest)

Ok, let's give it a shot.
[X] Challenge him. A duel will settle this, once and for all, and it might also enable you to gain a better understanding of your enemy's strengths and alliances.
-[X]"Then let me speak plainly Yoritomo-san. You are a sore loser and a liar. You bear no daisho Mantis and this is a hall of warriors. I will face your champion on the field but I do wonder behind which real Great Clan will the Mantis take shelter? Your own samurai are too weak and incompetent to raise their own blades against me, so who will fight your battle for you Mantis?
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So, we try and provoke him into sending out a Mantis Champion by referencing their recent rise in status and throwing his own words back against him. That way, unless he produces a genuine Mantis Champion he will lose a lot of face for the idea that the Mantis are not worthy of being a Great Clan.

Mind you, if he has one hidden away we will get egg on our face. And possibly blood. Basiclly I am trying to prune his options for champion. Or he could try defering the duel until he can fetch a real champon, which would probably not be ideal.

@Maugan Ra: Do we know if the Yoritomo and the Wasp are the only representatives of the Mantis in court?
Mind you, this might raise the level of the insult into something more then first blood.
 
The Wasp is not strictly speaking a member of the Mantis, they haven't joined up yet. In fact I'm pretty sure this dude is the only Mantis at all, so trying to get him to pick a Mantis isn't an option.

As an aside, I kind of almost wonder about the option of getting Hanzo to challenge him, after all in a way he's the one getting accused since we aren't a shujenga, while he might have a hard time getting a Lion to defend the incompetence of Lion Shujenga, getting a Lion Shujenga to defend their own incompetence seems straight up not possible at all.

Alas, I don't think he's even here, and if he was we probably don't have any form of hidden communication set up beforehand to indicate this to him.
 
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@primemountain
I don't think that will work as you intend. He's not a warrior, he's not carrying a daisho and admitting that has no shame. He'll make it look like we're trying to bully him, and you don't bully a Yoritomo, he's better at it than you.

At a suggestion maybe something like this?

"Enough, Yoritomo-san, you have slandered my name, and my clan because of your failings. I have proven already that I am warrior, in the Challenge of Steel, in helping protect Otomo-dono, what have you done that earns you the right to question my prowess as a warrior? Which great foes have you bested? Whose head did you take that you think yourself superior to every bushi in this room in judging whether or not a contest was fair? None at all, unless you lie with the wakizashi at your waist. For all these insults, I challenge you to a duel."

We have to make it look like he's a coward and that using a bushi while sensible is an admission that he has no idea what he's talking about, IMHO

@reignonyrparade
By Rokugani etiquette, you can't challenge someone for insulting your friend, they have to challenge and defend their own name. You can volunteer to champion someone, but you can't issue a challenge on their behalf. We can probably intimate that we consider the insult to Hanzo great enough that he deserves his own challenge and we will tell him what happened getting the Yoritomo into two duels. But we can't issue two duels ourself.
 
I didn't mean declaring a duel for him at all, hence "if he's here we probably don't have a prearranged form of hidden communication [to indicate to him now would be a good time to declare a duel.]"
 
Yeah I didn't think he was here anyway, just generally lamenting that despite how cool it would be for him to burst out right now with a completely different duel than the Mantis is expecting, its not an option.
 
@gman391 : It's why I stopped talking about Yoritomo and started talking about the Mantis. Saying he is not a bushi and thus needs one to represent him in a duel is both true and nothing shameful. Saying the Mantis have no bushi capable of representing them in a duel and thus must hide behind another Great Clan is entirely different. I am switching the attack point from him to his clan, so when he produces a champion it forces his hand for it to be a champion of his clan. Even if he has to send for one.
 
I do find it a bit odd that while most people were not up to dueling him upfront want to do it now. What changed? Is it him calling us a coward and saying we are hiding behind the Lion?
 
I do find it a bit odd that while most people were not up to dueling him upfront want to do it now. What changed? Is it him calling us a coward and saying we are hiding behind the Lion?

Part of it is that our write-in didn't actually gain back as much as we hoped.

We gained a little, but not all of it back, and the Phoenix are still vulnerable and hurt.

Like, if the other guy had completely failed the roll and gotten a horrible result and us a great one, this would be done and solved and we wouldn't be here.
 
[X] Challenge him

For me personally, the more Yoritomo-kun talks the more I want to stab something, anything.
 
I do find it a bit odd that while most people were not up to dueling him upfront want to do it now. What changed? Is it him calling us a coward and saying we are hiding behind the Lion?

It's because we're in a better position now, so he's less likely to be able to wrangle a champion from another clan who'd want to stomp us on principle. While responding to confusion with a duel is technically correct, but makes us look weak from a courtier point of view.

Instead, we recovered most of our lost ground in the courts, and only then are we trying to go for all the marbles.
 
Yogo Hanzo is currently recovering from being horribly poisoned and injured, yes. He's still chatting with people outside the court, but right now he feels weak and sluggish and doesn't want to step onto the battlefield of the court proper in that condition.

Anyway, Vote Called. Looks like you're challenging him to a duel.
 
Hooray! Unpredictable duel - best part of this quest. It is a pity that duel only to first blood. IMHO, of course.
 
@primemountain
I don't think that will work as you intend. He's not a warrior, he's not carrying a daisho and admitting that has no shame. He'll make it look like we're trying to bully him, and you don't bully a Yoritomo, he's better at it than you.

At a suggestion maybe something like this?

"Enough, Yoritomo-san, you have slandered my name, and my clan because of your failings. I have proven already that I am warrior, in the Challenge of Steel, in helping protect Otomo-dono, what have you done that earns you the right to question my prowess as a warrior? Which great foes have you bested? Whose head did you take that you think yourself superior to every bushi in this room in judging whether or not a contest was fair? None at all, unless you lie with the wakizashi at your waist. For all these insults, I challenge you to a duel."

We have to make it look like he's a coward and that using a bushi while sensible is an admission that he has no idea what he's talking about, IMHO

@reignonyrparade
By Rokugani etiquette, you can't challenge someone for insulting your friend, they have to challenge and defend their own name. You can volunteer to champion someone, but you can't issue a challenge on their behalf. We can probably intimate that we consider the insult to Hanzo great enough that he deserves his own challenge and we will tell him what happened getting the Yoritomo into two duels. But we can't issue two duels ourself.

Gman's phrasing is good here. It continues to hammer in that the Yoritomo is claiming to know better than the Bushi at court, which makes us look better the more he looks foolish. Even more, it reminds people of our accomplishments. So I think we should definitely go with something like this.
 
We've got a vote called. I think that both mine and @gman391's are reasonably solid. I think mine has more actually being honorable and challenging on a point of honor. I think his has more warrior spirit, and is perhaps a bit better constructed. I suspect that @Maugan Ra will pick and choose from them, and I am satisfied with that.
 
7.11 - Three Feet from Death
The Scorpion are renowned for being pragmatic in matters such as this, but even so there is only so much you can take. A constant stream of insults and insinuations from a man who dares not even fight with his own steel has, it seems, finally pushed you beyond those limits.

"Enough, Yoritomo-san." You say sharply, turning back to face him. "You go too far, and I will not stand here and listen to you insult me and my Clan entire without response. You will retract your words and apologize for voicing them, or you will back them with steel as a true samurai. I challenge you to a duel."

There is no great storm of reactions from the watching courtiers at this, but rather a sense of grim satisfaction. Those who favoured your position are pleased to see you step up to defend it, while those who are inclined against you have clearly been hoping for a way to settle the matter that you cannot twist with words and jibes.

"I accept." Yoritomo Harike replies without a moment's hesitation. "However, my own skills in the noble art of iaijutsu are limited, and so I must call upon a champion to represent me."

You nod, unsurprised, and resist the temptation to turn towards the Crab delegation in expectation. Yasuki Mia seems content to throw in with the Mantis, or at least support them in the short term, and she has two bushi with her to fulfill that role. It seems like the obvious choice.

"I, Utaku Seo, will stand as champion for Yoritomo-sama." One of the Unicorn calls out, stepping forwards and away from her delegation. For a moment you are shocked, but then your eyes narrow as they scan the assembled members of the Unicorn present. None of them look surprised by this development, which either implies some kind of pre-planning or at least a degree of private knowledge that led them to expect this. Interesting in either case, but right now you have little time to spend on such concerns.

Utaku Seo is a tall and slender woman in a dark purple kimono, her once-pale skin tanned and weathered by exposure to sun and wind. She is not currently wearing a katana, being a member of one of the few delegations present to be offered a sword-polisher by your hosts, but already you can see several Lion bowing to their daimyo and hurrying from the hall to retrieve the weapons for you both.

The hall goes quiet, the assembled guests moving back towards the edges of the room in order to clear space for your upcoming duel. There is a kind of unmistakeable tension in the air now, and while you would dearly love to ask why precisely the shitotome is stepping forth as a champion, now is clearly not a good time for it. Instead you wait in silence, studying her just as she studies you.

The Lion samurai return shortly thereafter with swords in hand, kneeling at your side and presenting the hilts of the sacred weapons to you both. In silence you draw yours from the sheathe, holding the blade down and to your side as you square off against your opponent. Seo mimics your movements, the faint winter sunlight gleaming from the exposed steel as she takes her stance. You might have preferred to do this the traditional way, drawing and striking in a single motion, but in this case the extra steps of setting your weapon comfortably in your obi only to return it to the sword-polishers afterwards would simply take too long.

Article:
First Stage: Assessment

Soshi Naoto rolls Iaijutsu/Awareness: 7k4 = 27

Utaku Seo rolls Iaijutsu/Awareness: ??? = 35

Seo wins, but not by enough for any mechanical bonuses. Naoto discerns that his opponent has Iaijutsu 5.


The Unicorn is better than you are.

You cannot say what precisely it is that tips you off. Something about her stance, perhaps, which manages to be both perfectly prepared for the upcoming exchange and yet also totally relaxed. Or perhaps it is the look in her eyes, the kind of detached calm that presages a bloody onslaught. Regardless of the precise source, it seems undeniable that the Unicorn has invested more time and effort in perfecting her dueling technique than you have.

Which makes sense, in truth. No Clan sends their samurai to court without being sure they are reasonably well prepared for what they will find there, and a delegation the size of the Unicorn's was always going to include at least one trained duelist. Well, so be it. Skill alone does not determine the outcome of a duel, and you have pulled off unexpected victories before.

(You could concede defeat at this point... but no, the consequences would be just as bad as if you were to be struck down, and by pushing through with things you at least have a chance of turning things around.)

With an effort of will you gather up all of your worries and concerns, focusing on them in your mind... and then you let them go. The rest of the world seems to fade away as you fall into the near-mindless trance of a duelist preparing to test his steel.

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Stage Two: Focus

Naoto rolls Iaijutsu/Void with the Centre Stance bonus: 6k3+2 = 44

Seo rolls Iaijutsu/Void with the Centre Stance bonus: ??? = 41

Results are within 5 points of each other. Karmic Strike!


How long you stand there, lost to the world beyond, you cannot say.

Nor can you say what it is that eventually prompts you to start moving. Some buried instinct perhaps, or an old lesson freshly remembered or even the intervention of the heavens themselves. Whatever it is, your opponent apparently shares it, for the two of you begin moving towards one another with perfect synchronization. Swords are raised, lunges made, eyes meet...

She has no face.

Article:
Both combatants strike each other in the same instant, and as such both roll Iaijustu/Reflexes with the centre stance bonus.

Naoto rolls 8k5+2 = 66

Naoto's damage roll = 6k2 = 17

Seo rolls ??? = 59

Seo's damage roll = ??? = 49


The razor sharp edge of the katana catches you just below your chin, slicing through flesh and blood and bone in a single motion.

The world spins wildly, floor becoming ceiling becoming floor, and the last thing you hear before darkness claims you is the roaring of angry samurai... and the cold, cruel laughter of a being older than time itself.

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Fin.
 
Okay, yeah, we fucked up horribly.

Oh well. Good Quest I suppose.

Maugen has more time now.

That was frustratingly sudden for what was supposed to be a first-blood contest, but...

I'm left a little too cold to be as salty as I should be.
 
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Welp.

I'd like to say I told you so, but I didn't mount much of a defense for why we shouldn't challenge the Yoritomo to a duel and I opposed it for different reasons. Looking back, all the bluster makes sense since its apparent he was baiting us for a duel.
 
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Actually, let me be honest, @Maugan Ra , I'm moderately pissed at how pointless it made all of our investments over quite a few months feel that a single roll and the game ended.

A single roll in a contest that wasn't even slated to be deadly, covered in a matter of sentences.
 
Actually, let me be honest, @Maugan Ra , I'm moderately pissed at how pointless it made all of our investments over quite a few months feel that a single roll and the game ended.

A single roll in a contest that wasn't even slated to be deadly.
Shit happens and people die. That's just a fact of life in Rokugan, though "suddenly Nothing Assasin" is a cheap if understandable way to go.
could we use one of the free raises to save him?
Free raise to hit first would save us, but then we're in the ring with a pissed off shapeshifting assassin.
 
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