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Ignition (MTG/Multicross, Planeswalker PC)

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The part about getting defensive powers would be quite a stretch for an incubator to make.

Course, we all are assuming that things work like canon here. Maybe with the addition of mana, the incubators have specialized drones who get enchanted to be able to lie, for PR purposes? Or are able to force other people to lie for them, or something. Probably not likely enough to bank anything on it, but...

Well honestly it's not like we can do anything about the incubator conspiracy yet, anyway. Don't trust anyone (which we were gonna do anyway) and especially don't trust the smug cats.
 
LostDeviljho said:
Incubators don't lie though. she said she made a wish, and incubators don't make wishes. therefore, if she was an incubator, that would be a lie, meaning she can't be an incubator.
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So I'm just gonna throw this out here: the incubators were the ones who claimed that they never lie. :V (In all seriousness, Kyubey won't ever outright lie to you)

Ysarsid said:
That doesn't mean that incubator's can't make wishes about something other than same way as magi and lie about though if you subscribe to that theory. A wish about entropy ending for a example.
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I have absolutely no idea what you just said. :confused:
 
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Basically what nemomarx said the entropy bit was an example. That and alivaril's comment on the incubators as well.
 
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Alivaril said:
So I'm just gonna throw this out here: the incubators were the ones who claimed that they never lie. :V
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They shall never tell a lie. They shall also never tell the whole truth.

[X] Browse the forum for anything else useful.
-[X] Wish suggestion forum, and do brief searches on the following topics:
--[X] Any wishes that resulted in powers for manipulating grief, or affecting emotions.
--[X] Any concrete examples of social powers, like mentioned in the Readme? Being charming would be nice.
--[X] Any concrete examples of cognitive powers
--[X] See if there's rough guidelines about potential. What happened to girls who were really ambitious with their
wishes?
[X] Browse the forum for anything else useful.
-[X] Readme also said to look for girls nearby. Any names? Does it have sub forums for different regions?

[x] Realize the reality, your fucked if you contract. You were advised that most either die in the first few weeks, or live for years. Years not decades, not past middle age. Contracting likely means you will be dead before your 25.
 
I'd rather delaying contracting unless we absolutely have no other choice (which is unfortunately highly likely), since she'll get MTG abilities anyway.
 
[X] Browse the forum for anything else useful.
-[X] Wish suggestion forum, and do brief searches on the following topics:
--[X] Any wishes that resulted in powers for manipulating grief, or affecting emotions.
--[X] Any concrete examples of social powers, like mentioned in the Readme? Being charming would be nice.
--[X] See if there's rough guidelines about potential. What happened to girls who were really ambitious with their wishes?

She could have made a wish, but that doesn't mean the wish got fulfilled. Still technically true.
 
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[X] Hop on to their chat and say hello!
-[X] Wishmaker
-[X] If I become a magical girl, what do I need to do in order to stay safe?
--[X] Explain your situation, but be careful not to give any hints that could possibly trace back to you, like being an orphan. Or having no friends.
---[X] Don't mention your problems with loneliness. That's your business and is kinda embarrassing to admit...
 
Just throwing this out there, but when in character has anything been mentioned about grief? All I recall was a vague mention of witches being born from the "darker end" of human emotions. Making it explicitly part of the vote doesn't really fit until we've had that explanation...
 
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Would people like for me to include a vote for what heirloom you had received from your parents during the next story post (most likely tomorrow morning)? I'd originally planned on doing it after a portrait / name / age had been selected, but my muse is being unusually cooperative and wants to write all the things. Up to you guys whether I add it then or after basic chargen is done. It's rather important, so either way, that particular vote will be open for a full day unless something gets a massive lead.

Said heirloom is MTG-magic related.
 
Sure if you want to, Alivaril.

Quick question: Is there any support for not contracting at all, or should we be looking for a good wish to make?
 
Alivaril said:
Would people like for me to include a vote for what heirloom you had received from your parents during the next story post (most likely tomorrow morning)? I'd originally planned on doing it after a portrait / name / age had been selected, but my muse is being unusually cooperative and wants to write all the things. Up to you guys whether I add it then or after basic chargen is done. It's rather important, so either way, that particular vote will be open for a full day unless something gets a massive lead.

Said heirloom is MTG-magic related.
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how many updates 'till basic chargen is done?
 
Czlyydwr Llrngwl said:
Quick question: Is there any support for not contracting at all, or should we be looking for a good wish to make?
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You don't have to contract. There are upsides and downsides to doing so, but it really isn't necessary. If you're smart, clever, and careful, you could survive and eventually manage to conquer the planet without ever becoming a magical girl.

LostDeviljho said:
how many updates 'till basic chargen is done?
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Not measured in updates; that'll be over about 24 hours after the initial age/appearance/name post went up. Once you choose an heirloom, we'll be all done, aside from some personality tweaking as we go. (The PC is a bit of a blank slate right now)
 
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Just throwing this out there: Don't think that not revealing details means we're safe onine. It's possible to figure that shit out without magical powers, and do you really think no one has ever blown a wish on being an nuisance online?

Yeah, that's right. The trolls have MAGIC POWERS.
 
Czlyydwr Llrngwl said:
Just throwing this out there, but when in character has anything been mentioned about grief? All I recall was a vague mention of witches being born from the "darker end" of human emotions. Making it explicitly part of the vote doesn't really fit until we've had that explanation...
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Touche. Change it to, say...

--[ ] Any wishes that resulted in powers for manipulating emotions or avoiding despair?
 
Lying by omission is still lying. And in the Incubator's case it's the most effective and efficient kind of lying to use. It perfectly suits their purposes, and allows them to quickly set off a witching event or spiral whenever they want. It's intentional neglect that they often use as a weapon.

Also they lie about how entropy works. But that's the writers tripping up and not being scientists.

Now there is also the argument that coobs lies about not lying. In addition to never actually confirming his shit about being an alien in show. And going from 'everyone in the spess would be glad to welcome you guys!' to 'oh your planet is about to get wrekt oh well have fun with extinction bye'.

There is nothing particularly supporting that qb isn't actually some not alien thing. Given that they hardly seem to understand magic at all, well, I have my doubts. That said there is probably an interview out there proving that I'm stupid. But as far as those go Urobuchi has gone from say Homu went from around twelveish loops to ten years worth, and then to a hundred years worth.

I'm basically saying that you shouldn't trust coobie just because they say they don't lie. It just means they're good at lying to the point they don't outright lie.
 
NemoMarx said:
--[ ] Any wishes that resulted in powers for manipulating emotions or avoiding despair?
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If you're lucky, this gets a copy/pasted post about girls who think they've figured it out, that they're the ones who are going to beat the system, and politely informs them that no, it does not work that way.

If you're super unlucky, there is now an experienced MG gank squad out to kill the mind-meddler. I can't imagine people actually want charismatic types, emotion fiddlers, and other powers that mess with free will around. But this might be bias on my part.
 
pressea said:
If you're lucky, this gets a copy/pasted post about girls who think they've figured it out, that they're the ones who are going to beat the system, and politely informs them that no, it does not work that way.

If you're super unlucky, there is now an experienced MG gank squad out to kill the mind-meddler. I can't imagine people actually want charismatic types, emotion fiddlers, and other powers that mess with free will around. But this might be bias on my part.
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The votes about browsing the forum not posting.
 
pressea said:
I can't imagine people actually want charismatic types, emotion fiddlers, and other powers that mess with free will around.
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Honestly, if I were a magical girl, and I had some independent reason to trust the mind meddler? I'd probably be up for it. It's like mental armor, you know? A failsafe that if you start spiralling or something you'll have a compulsion to stop and talk to your friends about it, or that if your emotions start reading too low someone will give you an artificial kick of happiness. It takes some free will away, but so do most psychiatric medications and there's good reasons for taking those in real life.

(My opinions on it are probably also weird, though.)

The readme calling about charismatic powers as like, a standard thing is a bit odd though. I'm not sure how to think about it. Either it's a common power, the mental equivalent of 'healing', or it's an uncommon but dangerous one and they want new mind control types to tell people about it so they can be taken care of fast.

I imagine that if it does exist as a common thing it comes at a significant grief cost to the mind controller in question, in the same way Healers are probably overburdened with taking care of their team. You probably can't affect yourself with it, at least not safely, so you just become the new weak link.

Edit: Also, same caveat as always with mind control or emotions or even being really good at talking to people: Once we have it, it's really hard to have genuine friends, because there's always a level of doubt that they're only your friends because your made them that way with your magic, or at least if you weren't as persuasive and personable they wouldn't want to deal with you. It's the kind of thing that isolates people long term, no monkey pawing required, in the same way that being rich and always helping your friends out might slowly erode at your faith in the friendship.

So like, not saying we jump into that, we should just ask around and see how it usually manifests.
 
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What I meant by "support for not contracting at all" was if players would vote for that; not being required to do so to pick up the MtG side magic was part of the OP. If we do end up doing it, just wishing to have the MG powers that will make you the best you can be at protecting everyone (including yourself) from witches sounds like it's as good as we're likely to get - it pretty much puts all our wish-power into being a strong MG with a focus on survivability.
 
To be honest it's something that would depend on how far their powers go. Like if one girl wished to cure herself or another of depression? And she got powers that can do that to an extent? Hell yeah I'd be on that like a pair of magnets. If someone had powers to force people to like her and active used it to the point of basically Kirika'ing them, on purpose and maliciously, I'd similarly be like a pair of magnets and repell my self across the state.

It would very much depend on so many variables that we can only attempt to decide case by case.

Also our character seems to be in a very bad state, speaking as someone who has been in that state. So uh, the cure her own depression wish was a suggestion. I'd wish for that.

Or for my life to optionally function like a Sims game for profit and automation of actions. And the Aerial view. Clicking for options, building skills in a easy to understand way, instantly selling things, codification of traits and friendship value...

Turning it on and off for first person living, too. Kinda like the Sims console games!
 
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