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Now that I think of it, shouldn't we ask Kanon to bring a few extra local Blue mages? Nothing as big as the call for Reds but enough so Sidhe has people to talk Blue magic while we do Red.
 
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You don't. You're not sure Kanon will even be arranging a proper academic conference so much as something closer to one giant social gathering. Good question, though.
In principle what I outlined applies not just to a scientific conference. Any time you want to have a large gathering of people, especially people only connected through shared interest, and have organized (or at least productive) talks / presentations there, stuff I mentioned pretty much is what you need to take into account.
 
Uh...depending on how closely PMMM traces our history, that might have some baggage. Ever heard of "Fyre Festival"?
I see I'm possibly not the only Internet Historian fan here.
F.I.R.E?

First International Red Expo?

... I need a better F. people... anyone got an idea?
Locate it somewhere with an "F" in the name. Or a "Ph". Philidelphia, Florida, France, Finland, Fiji, Florence, Ferrara, Fuji, Fukushima, or quite a number of other places that I don't readily recognize/haven't looked up.
 
@Nachtigall can you please add an option to arrange some Blues for Sidhe?

(under [X] Decline...)
-[] Can she arrange for some Enchantresses as well? A friend of yours who will be attending is a Blue mage and she'd love to have new people to talk about Blue magic

(EDIT: How is that for a Birthday present?)
 
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While it's good to see the enthusiasm, I think people are getting a little carried away with the whole Red conference thing. It's literally only been 10 minutes in-story since Kanon agreed to the idea. Have mercy on the poor girl. :V

[X] Planar scrying: You're now able to direct your plane glimpses, but your view gets blurry "for a while" after a few questions. The sooner you start, the sooner it will recover for a second round.
-[X] Earthland: Postcog Siofra to learn about her Origin's affinities and the breakthroughs in her precog training.
-[X] Remnant: The Maidens, preferably one who'd be willing to teach you.
-[X] Science plane: What is a SCIENCE spark?
-[X] Magi plane: Devoid mana to eradicate.
-[X] Thedas: Shinies in the Fade.
-[] Velgarth: Adept potentials that would part with their mage gift, preferably even want to get rid of it. If you think narrowing it down helps, focus on Valdemar's borders, the Dhorisha Plains' borders, and Karse.

Not a fan of this addition to the vote. Going down the list:

- Earthland: Trying to scry Siofra's affinities is very... high-resolution for a plane-wide viewing. Focusing not just on a single person, but specific, distant moments of her past? That's asking for quite a lot.
- Remnant: Pure metaknowledge. There's no reason to think the Maidens exist in this AU.
- Girl Genius: At least check to see how the political situation has developed there first.
- Magi: There are only two large groups of mages on the plane, and the non-Magnostadt faction is protected by powerful scrying wards.
- Thedas: Not a bad choice, tbh.
- Velgarth: Again, too high-resolution. It's doubtful measuring the strength of an individual mortal's mage-gift is something easily done from Eternity, let alone checking tens of thousands of people.

The biggest issue, though, is that we don't know if directed "planar scrying" is even a thing. You really should verify first before inserting something like this into a vote. If it is, then we'll still want to use Jade's newfound skill at planes...viewing(?) to get updated descriptions for each plane before deciding on specific topics to investigate.
 
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Uh...depending on how closely PMMM traces our history, that might have some baggage. Ever heard of "Fyre Festival"?
That was the joke, yes.
Earthland: Trying to scry Siofra's affinities is very... high-resolution for a plane-wide viewing. Focusing not just on a single person, but specific, distant moments of her past? That's asking for quite a lot.
To be fair, she's a god now.
@Nachtigall can you please add an option to arrange some Blues for Sidhe?

(under [X] Decline...)
-[] Can she arrange for some Enchantresses as well? A friend of yours who will be attending is a Blue mage and she'd love to have new people to talk about Blue magic

(EDIT: How is that for a Birthday present?)
This is showing whichever people can get there on short notice how to do a spell, not magic E3. We can work on a proper magic convention later, when we have credibility and other people have time to plan things.
 
- Earthland: Trying to scry Siofra's affinities is very... high-resolution for a plane-wide viewing. Focusing not just on a single person, but specific, distant moments of her past? That's asking for quite a lot.

The biggest issue, though, is that we don't know if directed "planar scrying" is even a thing. You really should verify first before inserting something like this into a vote. If it is, then we'll still want to use Jade's newfound skill at planes...viewing(?) to get updated descriptions for each plane before deciding on specific topics to investigate.
Remember when we looked at the Ethereals' motivations in the XCOM plane? The answer we got was too much phrased a story to deny possible postcognition. Trying to look at "how Siofra became so strong as an Ethernano user" would be a similar kind of question (if considerably harder to get an answer since it's more specific)

In the end, I don't see a good reason not to try at least; worst case we fail and continue back to the party.
 
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In the end, I don't see a good reason not to try at least; worst case we fail and continue back to the party.

I'm asking to at least check whether it's possible before shoving it into an unrelated vote. If it is possible, see what scrying options are available, after getting an updated plane description. Don't preemptively decide how to spend a potentially single-use scrying for half a dozen planes at once, please.
 
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I'm asking to at least check whether it's possible before shoving it into an unrelated vote. If it is possible, see what scrying options are available, after getting an updated plane description. Don't preemptively decide how to spend a potentially single-use scrying for half a dozen planes at once, please.
It'd be nice but...

Q: "Can we do X/Y/Z with our magic?"

A: You'll have to find out for yourselves.

Yeah, we can only find if we can do it by trying. Although we could look for one thing and then break for a vote on success. What's your suggestion?
 
I still think Jade would at least ask, but if you don't want to deal with it, I can remove that line.

It's fine. Just be aware that you don't need to help set it up.



Aside: There's enough ambient Grief for you to practice selective cleansing inside a Witch's Barrier. You'll need a Grief Seed or Soul Gem to bring you all the way there, but Witches would be good for the basics.
 
Yeah, we can only find if we can do it by trying. Although we could look for one thing and then break for a vote on success. What's your suggestion?

Start by looking at planes we haven't viewed in a while to see if we get more detailed descriptions, and whether we receive a prompt to conduct more detailed scrying on topics of interest.

Specifically in regards to Siofra's affinities, I suggest channeling Neph instead. Wouldn't come with a risk of earning Siofra's ire, and it's practically guaranteed to succeed given all the information Neph's been harvesting from possible futures. What's the chance that none of them involved experimenting with Siofra's Origin?
 
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@Nachtigall can you please add an option to arrange some Blues for Sidhe?
Since enchanters can't really participate in a pyro conference, they'd be there purely as tutors for Sidhe. So while I agree that we should hire one or two Blue mages for tutoring during the conference, it would be unkind to bother Kanon with arranging that.

- Earthland: Trying to scry Siofra's affinities is very... high-resolution for a plane-wide viewing. Focusing not just on a single person, but specific, distant moments of her past? That's asking for quite a lot.
- Velgarth: Again, too high-resolution. It's doubtful measuring the strength of an individual mortal's mage-gift is something easily done from Eternity, let alone checking tens of thousands of people.
We managed to scry for non-magical elerium caches, so Siofra and Adept-potentials should be easier to look into.

- Remnant: Pure metaknowledge. There's no reason to think the Maidens exist in this AU.
Ah, thanks for catching that. I forgot that Jade hasn't heard about them and that they might not actually exist in Ignition. It's been a while since we were on Remnant.

What would you suggest to scry instead?

- Girl Genius: At least check to see how the political situation has developed there first.
We can definitely take a regular look at the political situation, but detailed scrying takes "a while" to recharge, so we shouldn't waste it on politics. Additionally, politics won't change that "what is a SCIENCE spark" is the best scrying topic we can think of.

- Magi: There are only two large groups of mages on the plane, and the non-Magnostadt faction is protected by powerful scrying wards.
We know that someone told Magnostadt how to create Devoid rukh. Since the group on the warded island are isolationists, the Devoid cultists must come from somewhere else and be detectable.

Specifically in regards to Siofra's affinities, I suggest channeling Neph instead.
Due to the increasing cost we have a very limited number of times we can channel Neph before the JS incident, and each channeling session is rather short. Getting detailed knowledge on Siofra's affinities might take an entire session by itself. Further, observing Neph is a "confusing jumble of references to memories you can't recall and skills you don't have", so having basic knowledge to build on improves how much we can learn from her.

Postcog scrying for Siofra's affinities is quick and doesn't cost us one of our limited sessions with Neph, so it's reasonable to try it first.

Worst case Siofra notices and pokes us.
risk of earning Siofra's ire
Actually, I don't think we'd be interacting with present-Siofra in any way. It's purely based on postcognition. And even if she'd notice, I seriously doubt she'd mind since she has done the exact same thing to us every conversation when she looked at our past and future.

I'm asking to at least check whether it's possible before shoving it into an unrelated vote. If it is possible, see what scrying options are available, after getting an updated plane description. Don't preemptively decide how to spend a potentially single-use scrying for half a dozen planes at once, please.
The vote itself literally quotes that the ability will merely be on a cooldown, and we're only using one question per plane so that we'll have the second in reserve.

There's no set list of "what scrying options are available", Alivaril asked us last time what we'd want to look for:
the second look at XCOM 2, and what criteria you'd like to aim for on your second look.
 
Scrying for Siofra's affinity has some eerie parallels with Siofra's own history.
While that's true, we're not trying to get the secrets of divinity from a god of knowledge whose domain was potentially "lost secrets". And Siofra has used her pre- and postcog on us during every single conversation we had with her, so it's only fair if we do it this once.

You may keep my affinities, I simply don't intend to help you learn how to use them. Power, you'll have a disgustingly easy time with; skill will still take quite some time, especially without a proper teacher. If you want to learn, you can either start from scratch or spend quite a long time trying to slog through cold and frequently wet caves, searching oversized book collections, devote years to serving the deity I was a priestess for, and so on."
She suggested we could follow her footsteps for learning about her affinity, and we're doing that in a way...
 
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Due to the increasing cost we have a very limited number of times we can channel Neph before the JS incident, and each channeling session is rather short. Getting detailed knowledge on Siofra's affinities might take an entire session by itself. Further, observing Neph is a "confusing jumble of references to memories you can't recall and skills you don't have", so having basic knowledge to build on improves how much we can learn from her.

Postcog scrying for Siofra's affinities is quick and doesn't cost us one of our limited sessions with Neph, so it's reasonable to try it first.

This is a rather odd argument to make, given how Neph's cooldown is far shorter than whatever happened with the Ethereal plane. Arguably, it's better to tap an ability that has a recovery period of "time it takes to landbond" instead of "an unknown amount of time, but probably at least a few months."

The vote itself literally quotes that the ability will merely be on a cooldown, and we're only using one question per plane so that we'll have the second in reserve.

If you're right and whatever Jade did with the Ethereal plane can be done with others, then it's an extremely powerful ability that should be carefully used to its maximum effect. However, combining uses of it like you're trying to do just ensures the choices will be bad, and distracts from the discussion of what should be the main body of your vote. (Consider how you'd react if someone suggested channeling Neph 6 times at the end of a write-in; similar principle applies.)
 
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