Are they actually going to show up if someone unknown says "come to this incredibly isolated location in the middle of nowhere"? That's some prime paranoia fuel there.
That's a big reason of for Kanon doing preparations (she has at least enough reputation to be a mod at Colored Union) and why we're giving her video proof of our fings and cleansing (so Kanon can have proof to present to others if needed)
 
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Random thought: we can give some Dust to OMG to reverse engineer. They get long-term mana storage, we get extended mana supply.
 
Random thought: we can give some Dust to OMG to reverse engineer. They get long-term mana storage, we get extended mana supply.
We haven't actually managed to convert fire dust to Red mana yet, and we don't know whether dust can be made from mana.

That said, dust conversion is at the absolute top of our experiments list and if it's unfeasible we can use fire dust -> fire -> Red.

Trying to crystallizing mana into dust is a priority 5 experiment which means we're unlikely to work on it any time soon, so if the OMG manage it, great.



Hmm... Nanoha isn't the only one who still lacks a mage gift:
"get mage gift for Mitra and Agneyastra" is on our to-do list, and "Where should we look for a mage gift with prismatic mage sight?" is on our questions list.

Since only females can get their mage gift unlocked on PMMM-Earth, male mage potentials would probably be willing to part with their mage gift.

"If we wish to give Mitra the abilities from a djinn, she will need to be granted direct access to mana-based magic, become a Unison Device, or both. The former would take an unknown amount of time and should likely be done after we loosen a few of her restrictions.
@Alivaril, what's the current state of this? I think there was another later post that our devices will be working in the background on a method of transferring a mage-gift to a device... any progress?
 
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That is going to be tricky for an unknown island. Regular flights don't go to random islands.
I mean, the Federated States of Micronesia is still a stable modern nation and participates in the international community. It has four international airports. If you go on Google I can buy a round-trip ticket that'll have me there tomorrow and back the day after that for $1500, which is not much steeper than it'd cost me to get to New York and back on the same timetable. So it's neither "unknown island" nor "random island", and it absolutely has regular flights going to and through it.
Nope, non-magical fire provides so little mana that it isn't worth using fire conversion.

Edit: Found the relevant quote:
Ah, darn. Thanks.
Well, how fortunate that I'm voting on it to encourage discussion.
As for planar descriptions, those for Thedas and XCOM are recent and we know that there were no major changes since we looked at Magi and Remnant (see: "No change" and Sidereal's status report).
Just... try to not jam it into the middle of a vote, please? I tend to focus on the vote because it's incredibly easy to get sidetracked and lose track of stuff, which can seriously harm the ongoing vote and offset the value of the planning. Especially when said planning could be deferred to the point where we actually execute on it, and all we really need to decide now is that we should execute on it at some point.

On the specific question of whether we should be channeling Neph more often: absent a compelling strategic question, we should reserve her for situations that can be addressed using her mastery of Red. Yes, her precog is powerful, but she also warned us that depending on it will damage it because she'll lose access to futures where we did the real investigation. Being able to turn lands Red and casually burn cancer out of an entire oncology ward is incredibly useful as a tactical trump card.

On the specific question of which planes we should look at: I agree that we should look at some planes when we leave. I am not yet voting to leave.
No, the leading proposal is "let Agneyastra handle it", with a comment outside the vote that one of her options is e.g. to leverage her information advantage via insider trading.
Wrong:
You're actually running out of gems; you'd need to raid another Dungeon soonish. (I need to remember that part of the character sheet when update time comes >.>)

Still, "running out" is not the same as "all out," so yes, you'd have enough to bring in well over a hundred MGs from across the world and host them at a reasonably comfortable hotel for a day. You should probably sell them at a number of different locations if you don't want to trip red flags (or simply exceed the amount of liquid money a buyer might have), buuuut that would then trip other red flags if anyone recognizes you.

-[] So, any chance she can help you sell a small fortune in gemstones?
The current plan is to sell gemstones. Also, insider trading is the worst plan for making money quickly.
Article:
If I had to name the single epistemic feat at which modern human civilization is most adequate, the peak of all human power of estimation, I would unhesitatingly reply, "Short-term relative pricing of liquid financial assets, like the price of S&P 500 stocks relative to other S&P 500 stocks over the next three months." This is something into which human civilization puts an actual effort.
  • Millions of dollars are offered to smart, conscientious people with physics PhDs to induce them to enter the field.
  • These people are then offered huge additional payouts conditional on actual performance—especially outperformance relative to a baseline.
  • Large corporations form to specialize in narrow aspects of price-tuning.
  • They have enormous computing clusters, vast historical datasets, and competent machine learning professionals.
  • They receive repeated news of success or failure in a fast feedback loop.
  • The knowledge aggregation mechanism—namely, prices that equilibrate supply and demand for the financial asset—has proven to work beautifully, and acts to sum up the wisdom of all those highly motivated actors.
  • An actor that spots a 1% systematic error in the aggregate estimate is rewarded with a billion dollars—in a process that also corrects the estimate.
  • Barriers to entry are not zero (you can't get the loans to make a billion-dollar corrective trade), but there are thousands of diverse intelligent actors who are all individually allowed to spot errors, correct them, and be rewarded, with no central veto.
This is certainly not perfect, but it is literally as good as it gets on modern-day Earth.
Some hilarious fraction of convictions for corporate espionage, embezzlement, and general corporate misbehavior come down to violation of insider trading laws. Hell, you're more likely to get away with bombing a soccer team's bus in an attempt to manipulate the price of their publicly-traded stock than you are to get away with actually shorting said stock. The SEC and its relatives in other countries do not fuck around.
  1. We worked months on our Red Cleansing and incorporated elements from our pendant, Siofra's purification process, and Firewall. We're at rank 26. I seriously doubt that a beginner will just find refinements we haven't thought about.
I wouldn't be surprised. We've repeatedly seen that spellcasters with different traditions have different amounts of difficulty with different spells. And then, for all that Jade has messed up, she's only tried like six different things. Mass brainstorming can be staggeringly effective on tasks like this. Foundation of modern civilization.

You're also moving the goalposts. Who said we had to teach all of them? Our goal is not to teach every single Pyro how to do Red Cleansing in one day. Our goal is to teach enough people how to do Red Cleansing in one day that they can teach the rest of the planet how to do it over the following weeks or months. Our goal would probably be accomplished if literally one person pulls it off. On top of that, you keep calling these people beginners. They are not beginners. Not only do they all have access to Channeling, I expect that attendance will be strongly biased toward higher-skill mages, including everyone that's tried Red Cleansing and failed. These people will not be beginners and they will have already tried things that we haven't, which may give them insights into the process that we skipped right over.

Then, of course, there's the simple fact that teaching people how to do something demands more explicit, deeper, and broader understanding than application does. There's a reason that we require professors to teach their material back to students. Richard Feynman: "If you can't explain something in simple terms, you don't understand it." I expect Jade to gain multiple ranks in Red Cleansing in the opening hour of the workshop. Maybe in the opening minutes.
So again @Vebyast, why do you want to set place and date without asking anyone among the OMG community?
Fine, if we have WoG that Kanon is already doing everything, then we won't step on her toes. I don't understand why we're letting her do everything, since there's no way she'll be able to do it as well as we can and the bureaucracy will cut attendance in half, but okay, fine.

[x] Decline. You have a bunch to do and not a lot of time to do it in.
-[x] That said, ask if she can send you contact info for a few people in case you have half an hour free to try to nail down cleansing.

[x] Spend a bit of time working with Mom (and Kanon, if she's still awake) to get the conference in motion.
-[x] Set up a website and a process for submitting proposals for talks/workshops and posters/demo booths.
--[x] Submit a workshop on Red Cleansing, leaving your name redacted for now.
-[x] Finance. How much does Agneyastra estimate you'll need for venue, food, etc? Do you need to do anything right now - sell one or two gems or bits of bullion?
-[x] Send anything relevant to Kanon - website link, funding, etc.

[x] Try listening for prayers. Even if you can't get worship-power across planes, it'd be useful for communicating - just being able to respond to an attack on your city on the king-selection plane would be huge.
 
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@Alivaril, what's the current state of this? I think there was another later post that our devices will be working in the background on a method of transferring a mage-gift to a device... any progress?

You'll definitely need to loosen Mitra's Restrictions before you can grant her mana-based magic. Agneyastra also expects she'll need to examine a number of several different djinn and Velgarth mage-gifts before she can adapt it for intelligent nonhumans.


It's called "Quicken" in Ignition since Haste was already taken by a Dragon Age spell, and even if Nanoha's soul had recovered she'd still be drugged unconscious.

OOC: Actually, IIRC, it's called Quicken because your copy-summoning is basically a token-summoning Sorcery and Flash-summoning at the end of your opponent's turn = no summoning sickness on your own turn.



Fine, if we have WoG that Kanon is already doing everything, then we won't step on her toes. I don't understand why we're letting her do everything, since there's no way she'll be able to do it as well as we can and the bureaucracy will cut attendance in half, but okay, fine.

The excuse "is a magical girl" is actually an easy method of entry into pretty much every first-world country on the planet, courtesy of the endless Walpurgisnacht Familiar (Fallen) attacks. Nobody is going to complain about having extra MGs around for a few days. The Mage's Union also seems to have a pretty hefty amount of discretionary funding at this point; Agneyastra says a significant portion of it came from some fairly suspicious sources, but they do get a fair amount of funding from governments and donations.

You also wouldn't be stepping on Kanon's toes by helping, but it's not something you need to do. She's done this before.
 
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her precog is powerful, but she also warned us that depending on it will damage it because she'll lose access to futures where we did the real investigation.
Ah, but that doesn't affect the memories Neph already has. Until two days ago, all the timelines she saw didn't allow us to deliberately channel her for months:
You drag her back through sheer force of will and a little soul magic.
We aren't supposed to be able to do that for months.
So Neph is currently sitting on memories from timelines where Jade couldn't have asked her and thus had to do the research herself.
Anything that we (at that time) planned to investigate within the next few months, Neph already knows without falling into the chicken-or-egg dilemma.

You're also moving the goalposts. Who said we had to teach all of them?
I didn't actually say that, I just wanted to mention that you probably overestimated the number of participants.

Fine, if we have WoG that Kanon is already doing everything, then we won't step on her toes. I don't understand why we're letting her do everything, since there's no way she'll be able to do it as well as we can and the bureaucracy will cut attendance in half, but okay, fine.
o_O
We have WoG that Kanon will handle the location and contacting pyros, not that "Kanon is already doing everything". Sorry if you misunderstood that.

Edit: Huh... and now we have WoG that she can handle it by herself.

-[x] That said, ask if she can send you contact info for a few people in case you have half an hour free to try to nail down cleansing.
Do you mean a test run for teaching it? Because Alivaril already told us how we can refine our red cleansing:
There's enough ambient Grief for you to practice selective cleansing inside a Witch's Barrier. You'll need a Grief Seed or Soul Gem to bring you all the way there, but Witches would be good for the basics.
Practice on ambient grief in a witch barrier, then kill the witch and use her grief seed "to bring you all the way there".



Agneyastra also expects she'll need to a number of several different djinn and Velgarth mage-gifts before she can adapt it for intelligent nonhumans.
Why Velgarth mage-gifts? The current plan is that only Nanoha gets an Agni spark while Mitra would get a regular mage gift.
Probably from a male mage potential on our birthworld, now that we know about the situation here.

Unless you mean we need to scan nonhuman mages on Velgarth?

You also wouldn't be stepping on Kanon's toes by helping, but it's not something you need to do. She's done this before.
Good to know. Still, I'm sure Agneyastra would be better and faster than Kanon for certain organizational tasks, and since we've already put a lot of thought into it, we might as well get involved with the planning.



@Vebyast, what do you think about this mixture of our votes?
@Filraen, since you name-voted, are you okay with the changes?

[x] Decline. You're low on mana and only have about 2h right now. Hash out the basics for the pyro conference with Mom and Kanon instead.
-[x] Set the date late enough that Nanoha will have enough Red mana control to properly participate.
-[x] Once time and place are decided, ask Mom whether she would handle accommodation, airport shuttles, catering, and relaxation for the conference. Let her decide whether to offer funding, free flights, and housing.
-[x] Set up a website and a process for submitting proposals for talks/workshops and posters/demo booths.
--[x] Submit a workshop on Red Cleansing, leaving your name redacted for now.
--[x] You're best with Detonate, Fire Constructs, and Cleansing. Mental defenses would be a week-long seminar all by themselves, so that's out. You never worked with empathy, lightning, or geomancy, so does Kanon have other speakers in mind for them?
-[x] Send anything relevant to Kanon - website link, funding, etc.
-[x] Ask mom how hard it would be to establish biannual conferences, research grants, and a scientific journal on mana and soul magic.

[X] Ask Mom why she's so adamant on banning Red/Green Channeling; you already don't like the idea of Channeling into a berserker but you wonder if it's something about your vessel enhancements, the War Hero mod or another thing.

[X] Try to listen for prayers, both from here and Magnostadt. Even if "worship doesn't stretch across planes", being able to get distress calls about e.g. an attack on your city on the king-selection plane would be huge.


Edit: Since Alivaril posted that the Colored Union has discretionary funds, I changed the finance part so that Mom decides whether to fund the conference or rely on the Union.
 
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[x] Decline. You're low on mana and only have about 2h right now. Hash out the basics for the pyro conference with Mom and Kanon instead.
-[x] Set the date late enough that Nanoha will have enough Red mana control to properly participate.
-[x] Once time and place are decided, ask Mom whether she would handle funding, accommodation, airport shuttles, catering, and relaxation for the conference. Let her decide whether to offer free flights and housing.
-[x] Finance. How much does Agneyastra estimate you'll need for venue, food, etc? Do you need to do anything right now - arrange sponsors, sell gems or bullion?
-[x] Set up a website and a process for submitting proposals for talks/workshops and posters/demo booths.
--[x] Submit a workshop on Red Cleansing, leaving your name redacted for now.
--[x] You're best with Detonate, Fire Constructs, and Cleansing. Mental defenses would be a week-long seminar all by themselves, so that's out. You never worked with empathy, lightning, or geomancy, so does Kanon have other speakers in mind for them?
-[x] Send anything relevant to Kanon - website link, funding, etc.
-[x] Ask mom how hard it would be to establish biannual conferences, research grants, and a scientific journal on mana and soul magic.

Ugh, I preferred your old vote. All I want is to meet a bunch of pyros and teach them Red cleansing; immediately setting up a website, and a whole formal conference with sponsors, workshops and demo booths is going completely overboard.

(Heck, I'm not sure if Agneyastra has set up a proper currency account yet, so creating a website on short notice might involve hacking one. Everything else would require sticking around to exchange gems, unless we want to break even more laws.)
 
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Why Velgarth mage-gifts? The current plan is that only Nanoha gets an Agni spark while Mitra would get a regular mage gift.

Velgarth Gifts are modular and apparently designed to be attached to a massive possible range of human souls. Agneyastra needs to go even further than that if Mitra is to get her own Gift.

Unless you mean we need to scan nonhuman mages on Velgarth?

That would be even more helpful, assuming they exist. Sigurd doesn't have a Gift despite being able to manipulate magic.
 
I mean, if you think that our best bet actually is "everyone show up in the middle of the desert on Tuesday and we'll figure it out", I can see that as a valid position to argue for? I'm not sure that I agree, if only because we want to provide some features to publicise other than our cleansing demonstration. And part of the reason I want an actual review process is to get any magical girls with less-well-known tricks a chance to have their stuff looked at and called out before we have a crowd of a hundred Red teenage girls on our hands. I don't know if a talent-show format would work particularly well. Maybe small groups, everyone shows off something cool, we go around with each group showing off the coolest things they have, then we pick the coolest stuff from that?
One hundred is potentially one half of the total Pyro population. Assuming even distribution of colors, and somewhere around 1000 mages (as has been previously stated in updates).
Someone (Nixeu?) already estimated the number of pyros on PMMM-Earth and came to the conclusion that less than 100 will participate.
The math ain't exactly complex. 1000-ish mages, assuming even distribution, would make even 50 Pyros a pretty impressive turn out. 1/4th of the total population of them, (1/5*1000=200). Note that dual-colors might reduce the numbers further, but the rounding might bump it up slightly higher. So it's probably best to consider those factors as negating each other for the purposes of a rough estimate. Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if the turn out is more like 25 or 30 people, given the short notice.
Depends on how accurate your simple explanation is.
 
"get mage gift for Mitra and Agneyastra" is on our to-do list, and "Where should we look for a mage gift with prismatic mage sight?" is on our questions list.
At least for Agneyastra I think we could raid more dungeons. I think she may accept the power of a Blue Djinn this time around as she now knows what to expect of such an upgrade.



I imagine that from Agneyastra's point of view Blue/Green/Black mana are newly discovered sources of possibilities and danger towards Jade she can't even detect. Jade has been affected by Sidhe and Calypso and she couldn't feel the attacks*. I believe that at certain level Agneyastra regrets not having accepted that Blue Djinn power



*she correctly guessed Calypso's situation was dangerous, though



@Filraen, since you name-voted, are you okay with the changes?
No, I'm not okay because we are steamrolling over Kanon.


Alivaril said Kanon has done this thing before so if anything we have to support Kanon, not making her follow our spiel. On top of that even if Agneyastra does everything (get all the accomodations and preparations needed, etc. which I'm sure she can easily) it still wouldn work because we are basically nobody, the presumed dead girl who was a meme a few months ago, and certainly not anybody for who people around the world will leave basicallly in a hurry to go meet her for mana magic lessons.



Also, did you edited your post to add my tag? I wasn't Alerted of my mention.


Edited your vote to give Kanon veto on any and all of our potential help. If she wants or needs our help, nice; if not, let the OMG with experience with seminars in PMMM!Earth and reputation to call OMG from all over the world deal with it.




[x] Decline. You're low on mana and only have about 2h right now.

[x] Hash out the basics for the conference with Mom and Kanon instead.
-[x] Set the date late enough that Nanoha will have enough Red mana control to properly participate.
-[x] If Mom would be able to handle it in your time left in this plane, offer Kanon your help:
--[x] Accommodation, airport shuttles, catering, and relaxation for the conference. Let Mom decide whether to offer funding, free flights, and housing.
--[x] If this is something big like full blown pyro conference, setting a website and a process for submitting proposals for talks/workshops and posters/demo booths. If approved, submit a workshop on Red Cleansing, leaving your name redacted for now.
-[x] Send anything relevant to Kanon - website link, funding, etc.
-[x] You're best with Detonate, Fire Constructs, and Cleansing. Mental defenses would be a week-long seminar all by themselves, so that's out. You never worked with empathy, lightning, or geomancy, so does Kanon have other speakers in mind for them?
-[x] Ask Mom how hard it would be to establish biannual conferences, research grants, and a scientific journal on mana and soul magic.

[X] Ask Mom why she's so adamant on banning Red/Green Channeling; you already don't like the idea of Channeling into a berserker but you wonder if it's something about your vessel enhancements, the War Hero mod or another thing.

[X] Try to listen for prayers, both from here and Magnostadt. Even if "worship doesn't stretch across planes", being able to get distress calls about e.g. an attack on your city on the king-selection plane would be huge.
 
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Set the date late enough that Nanoha will have enough Red mana control to properly participate.
I don't mind making a Red convention later, but right now we are talking to Kanon about teaching pyros how to cleanse their gems and nothing else. Immediately trying to spin that specific task into a full fledged convention with booths and speakers and everything is ridiculous, doubly so because you want to put off the thing she's actually interested in.

[x] Sapient_Ham
 
Keep in mind that a convention structure actually isn't very good for what we want to teach.

First, the number of attendees is going to be dozens rather than hundreds.

Second, there is a serious danger that someone who doesn't get grief-seeking fire right and tries it anyway will kill themselves by burning up their own soul.

General lessons like a speaker or presentation are good for disseminating general information in a fyi style that doesn't really have to be retained. What we're doing needs to be more personal teaching, and the hardest part once we begin is going to be enabling our students to practice on something that isn't their own souls. We may actually need to find a witch barrier just because of the safe practice factor. And anyone who leaves without having got it down is going to have trouble continuing learning unless they can regularly meet with someone who did get it, or regularly find a similar safe practice location / method.

Of course, none of this is new for teaching the other cleansing methods, but a lot of them have less dangerous failure states.


e: actually, we could use a blue mage, since those are the ones able to move grief around directly
e2: Alivaril, is the mana sense of an OMG comparable to our own? If we share senses our mana sense would they be able to use it?
 
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It might make sense to make the full convention later, with this being a seed of one. A day-long (maybe two) work meeting. It would still require catering, housing and all that other stuff, though.

By organizing a convention / meetup on such a short notice, we demonstrate our wealth, and ability to organize things, which are not linked to our magical abilities. We firmly establish ourselves to have backing or abilities unusual to others. This is one of the reasons I want to do this - our reintroduction to the world of magical girls as someone of wealth and means and OCP abilities.
 
[X] Ask Mom why she's so adamant on banning Red/Green Channeling; you already don't like the idea of Channeling into a berserker but you wonder if it's something about your vessel enhancements, the War Hero mod or another thing.
Between Red's "go with your feelings and instincts and damn the consequences" and Green's "instincts, growth, proliferation, multiplication" I'm pretty sure it leads to some sort of super horniness and vastly increased chances of teenage pregnancies. Mom would just say it if it was a berserking thing, and her outright banning it without explanation just confirms that it is a parenting issue, not withholding infromation just because issue.
So unless you are ready for "The Talk", I suggest you remove that. I personally think it would be hilarious, so keep it.
 
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General lessons like a speaker or presentation are good for disseminating general information in a fyi style that doesn't really have to be retained. What we're doing needs to be more personal teaching, and the hardest part once we begin is going to be enabling our students to practice on something that isn't their own souls.
"Workshop", not talk, yes.
Since this news was released after a seed-cleansing-and-sharing scheme was set up, the death toll was actually minimal. Whoever is controlling Kyubey has assigned him to pounce on anyone who lets their Soul Gem get to 80% Grief or so.
I'm... honestly wondering how we expect to find a Witch barrier. Push Grief into a Seed until it re-hatches?
e: actually, we could use a blue mage, since those are the ones able to move grief around directly
This is a good idea - have an Enchanter pull Grief out of a Seed or Gem, practice on that.
It might make sense to make the full convention later, with this being a seed of one. A day-long (maybe two) work meeting. It would still require catering, housing and all that other stuff, though.

By organizing a convention / meetup on such a short notice, we demonstrate our wealth, and ability to organize things, which are not linked to our magical abilities. We firmly establish ourselves to have backing or abilities unusual to others. This is one of the reasons I want to do this - our reintroduction to the world of magical girls as someone of wealth and means and OCP abilities.
That works. I'm just not sure that teaching Cleansing will take all day, so I want to have some other people lined up with interesting things to teach in case we have more time. Kanon's questions about our wings make me think that we could spend fifteen or twenty minutes showing those off, for example. I also bet people would be interested in Chain Spell and our Detonate replicators.
 
Between Red's "go with your feelings and instincts and damn the consequences" and Green's "instincts, growth, proliferation, multiplication" I'm pretty sure it leads to some sort of super horniness and vastly increased chances of teenage pregnancies. Mom would just say it if it was a berserking thing, and her outright banning it without explanation just confirms that it is a parenting issue, not withholding infromation just because issue.
So unless you are ready for "The Talk", I suggest you remove that. I personally think it would be hilarious, so keep it.

Will confirm for the sake of mod-a-way that this isn't it. I get where you're coming from, but no. e.e
 
By organizing a convention / meetup on such a short notice, we demonstrate our wealth, and ability to organize things, which are not linked to our magical abilities. We firmly establish ourselves to have backing or abilities unusual to others. This is one of the reasons I want to do this - our reintroduction to the world of magical girls as someone of wealth and means and OCP abilities.
Let Kanon do her thing. The only thing we have to demonstrate here is that we aren't a fake so we can establish reputation for future projects, conventions, research grants, etc.

Between Red's "go with your feelings and instincts and damn the consequences" and Green's "instincts, growth, proliferation, multiplication" I'm pretty sure it leads to some sort of super horniness and vastly increased chances of teenage pregnancies. Mom would just say it if it was a berserking thing, and her outright banning it without explanation just confirms that it is a parenting issue, not withholding infromation just because issue.
So unless you are ready for "The Talk", I suggest you remove that. I personally think it would be hilarious, so keep it.
I know you're joking but I'll give you a serious answer anyway: It would still be ok.

Jade is a Red mage: having her understanding and agreeing the reasoning behind rules makes her following them easier* (and sometimes she's gets even more impulsive, like when she's channeling Red**). A good example is Jade's warning to Kuybey about devoid: 'do not use devoid' isn't a rule but Jade took the reasonong at heart so when she channeled red she went to her birth plane just to tall Kuybey to avoid working with devoid.

* Jade has an artifficial vessel, trying to wildly jump anybody without one would be rather destructive to her partner(s), vastly increased chances of teenage pregnancies or not (as the other people in our party with artificial vessels are female thus unable to capitalize on the increased chances of pregnancy).... never mind Agneyastra would have killed him anyway for heresy
** I'm aware Jade probably can't channel Red+Green when she's already channeling Red


{Fil sees Alivaril's post, ponders, revises wording for the sake of a nice ESRB rating but keeps reply anyway and drops the topic}


That works. I'm just not sure that teaching Cleansing will take all day, so I want to have some other people lined up with interesting things to teach in case we have more time. Kanon's questions about our wings make me think that we could spend fifteen or twenty minutes showing those off, for example. I also bet people would be interested in Chain Spell and our Detonate replicators.
That isn't that important: they are teenager Red mage magical girls, several will want to show off at being with peers. Also, that's part of what Kanon is going to do.
 
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Your vote still has us dumping plans for an entire convention on her.
My current vote asks Kanon first before dumping things on her, but yes, I've been thinking on it.

Fake (but not inthe way you normally think) Edit: Ok, I believe I have something

[X] Kanon
-[x] Decline. You're low on mana and only have little time right now.
-[x] Make sure the date for the workshop is late enough that Nanoha will have enough Red mana control to properly participate, and it doesn't interfere with you other compromises
-[x] If Kanon could get a few enchantresses to go it'd be great, as a friend of yours who who loves her Blue magic will be attending
-[x] Ask Mom if she can get enough money for a significant donation to Colored Union in the time you have left here and if so offer it to Kanon, as she raised concerns on plane ticket prices (and a gathering of such magnitude will need other costs too)


[X] Ask Mom why she's so adamant on banning Red/Green Channeling; you already don't like the idea of Channeling into a berserker but you wonder if it's something about your vessel enhanchements, the War Hero mod or another thing.
[X] Try to listen for prayers, both from here and Magnostadt. Even if "worship doesn't stretch across planes", being able to get distress calls about e.g. an attack on your city on the king-selection plane would be huge.
 
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I'm pretty sure you guys are overthinking this, and that Green/Red Channeling is a bad idea because we're emotionally fragile enough not to handle a murderous rampage well, even if we do it somewhere isolated and only tear apart some animals.
 
At least for Agneyastra I think we could raid more dungeons. I think she may accept the power of a Blue Djinn this time around as she now knows what to expect of such an upgrade.
I can't find where I read it, but I think Agneyastra can't accept a third djinn power until she gains a mage gift.

I also bet people would be interested in Chain Spell
I don't think chain spell rank 3 is good enough to properly teach it, though I could be wrong.
 
That works. I'm just not sure that teaching Cleansing will take all day, so I want to have some other people lined up with interesting things to teach in case we have more time. Kanon's questions about our wings make me think that we could spend fifteen or twenty minutes showing those off, for example. I also bet people would be interested in Chain Spell and our Detonate replicators.
Having at least a setup for other people to present is a good idea, yes. I am not sure how long it will take to teach cleansing, but we could probably at least observe skills others have developed, both to help them, and improve our own. For one, their pyromancy should be very distinct from ours, as we are immune to fire, and they are not. The "don't get burnt by one's own flame" ability / skill is something we don't have, and something that probably improves control over red mana / fire a lot.
 
The "don't get burnt by one's own flame" ability / skill is something we don't have, and something that probably improves control over red mana / fire a lot.
I mean, we still have to keep our clothes and surroundings intact. And added safety could go either way; being able to experiment without having to worry about burning yourself might encourage rather faster progress.

[x] Decline. You have a bunch to do and not a lot of time to do it in.
-[x] That said, ask if she can send you contact info for a few people in case you have half an hour free to try to nail down cleansing.

[x] Offer to help with the conference setup and operations. Assuming you're going public, you have access to significant financial and organisational assets.
-[x] In the long run, if anyone is interested, you could probably handle a formal professional/academic conference for mana magic as a field.

[x] Try listening for prayers. Even if you can't get worship-power across planes, it'd be useful for communicating - just being able to respond to an attack on your city on the king-selection plane would be huge.
 
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