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Ignition (MTG/Multicross, Planeswalker PC)

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[X] Don't have the possibility of other 'walkers turning up.
--[X] But have stories / rumours / myths of them be something that can be encountered

Reasoning:

1) Doylist: This quest has tons of stuff to deal with and cover already. There are beings and organizations that will be able to swat Jade like a fly for a long time yet, and, besides that, tons of non-combat stuff to cover. There's no need to overcomplicate this with other planeswalkers.

2) Watsonian: The multiverse is a vast place. Each plane is a huge universe by itself. The probability of two planeswalkers meeting in such a setting is virtually nil. Jade might stumble upon the tales of ancient (demi)gods who shaped worlds, struck down titans and created wonders. She might walk the paths once explored by Urza and Yawgmoth themselves. But will she ever encounter any of her own kind? Unlikely until she can observe the whole planes at once, and travel to any point in them almost instantly. Will she get noticed? Until her passage shatters galaxies and leaves planes trembling in her wake, almost certainly no.

Thus, I think, from the perspective of KISS and from statistical viewpoint, it's easier and simpler to keep Jade the only planeswalker currently active in the local corner of the multiverse.
 
[X] Don't have the possibility of other 'walkers turning up.

I don't feel like other walkers would add much to the story at this point. If we're ever going to be lacking in difficulty or plot points to follow, we could probably have another vote about it, but right now it just seems like adding unnecessary complexity.
 
UberJJK said:
I'm really looking forward to seeing how Nanoha deals with meeting a real life Magical Space Princess.
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Well, middle-term, I can see her quite possibly romanticizing the best aspects of Agni Empire culture. Taking her (self-appointed) duties as a Royal Knight very seriously, at least when dealing with anyone not Jade.
tricholysis said:
Frodo Lightsaber, Sauron Death Star.
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Please no. Not going into it, this is a very controversial position to say the least.

Besides, even without other planeswalkers, interplanar travel is possible, and, well, mutli-planetary magical civilization might be able to figure that out if and as they deal with us.
 
Yog said:
Thus, I think, from the perspective of KISS and from statistical viewpoint, it's easier and simpler to keep Jade the only planeswalker currently active in the local corner of the multiverse.
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Well, you convinced me.

The thing is, I'm not against running into another Planeswalker, way into the quest. Running into an equal, or even someone we take as an apprentice, is the kind of thing I might like. But, for the foreseeable future, I'm in agreement with you, because it'd be... cluttered, I guess.

After all, if we reach the point where we've started to exhaust the Planes we have access to of interesting things, we can reconsider.

[X] Don't have the possibility of other 'walkers turning up.
--[X] But have stories / rumours / myths of them be something that can be encountered
 
tricholysis said:
Frodo Lightsaber, Sauron Death Star.
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I can't begin to describe how much I hate that statement. The idea that Heroes and Villains should be artificially kept in balance by inflating the other side is ridiculous and completely misses the point of giving Frodo a lightsaber.

Near as I can tell it stems back to the down right silly idea that if you mess with the existing balance to favor the heroes that they'll automatically win everything and become Mary Sues. Which frankly is quite outdated thinking.

You don't create a good story by ensuring a level playing field. You create a good story by having characters, good and bad, that react appropriately to, based upon their personality, knowledge, and skillset, the situations they find themselves in.
 
Edited vote post for elaboration on statistics. I'm surprised fridge horror hasn't kicked in for anyone yet, or if it has, they haven't pointed it out...
UberJJK said:
I can't begin to describe how much I hate that statement. The idea that Heroes and Villains should be artificially kept in balance by inflating the other side is ridiculous and completely misses the point of giving Frodo a lightsaber.

Near as I can tell it stems back to the down right silly idea that if you mess with the existing balance to favor the heroes that they'll automatically win everything and become Mary Sues. Which frankly is quite outdated thinking.

You don't create a good story by ensuring a level playing field. You create a good story by having characters, good and bad, that react appropriately to, based upon their personality, knowledge, and skillset, the situations they find themselves in.
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I have the feeling I found an age-old argument amusing without even knowing it was one. To google!

EDIT: Oh, fuck that. I'm not touching that argument with a ten-foot pole.
 
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[X] Go with the MTG statistics. Allow the existence of 'walkers other than Jade, with one out of every trillion people becoming one.

The whole panic is rather silly
 
[X] Don't have the possibility of other 'walkers turning up.

No, no additional walkers. In the future, maybe, but I don't want to go into whole MTG planeswaler mess just yet. If ever.
 
Alivaril said:
I have the feeling I found an age-old argument amusing without even knowing it was one. To google!

EDIT: Oh, fuck that.
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Oh yes you did. It is in fact an old and bitter argument. It's mostly about what makes a good story, the nature of conflict and mechanisms that could and/or should be employed to create said conflict.
 
I mostly used the famous formulation as shorthand against special snowflake-ism and to mean that any antagonists need to be just as clever as any protagonists. And if there's no other walkers, there should be some reason behind it, IMO. But it's a well-tread argument with no real reason to retread here.
 
[X] Suggestion? (Subject to veto)
-[X]One in trillion sentient beings planeswalk, but the amount and size of planes makes it statistically improbable for two to meet unless they actively search for others like them. On top of that many are unlucky and die very shortly after ignition.
 
Solacen said:
Statistically wouldnt it be more likely for the earth to randomly turn into a small star then it would be for there to be 2 planeswalkers awakening on the same planet around the same time?
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I'm not sure what exactly you mean by 'randomly turn into a small star', but I'm pretty sure 2 planeswalkers is more likely. Still hilariously improbable, but in the region of reachable, with enough worlds and population. 'randomly turn into a small star' isn't, at least not in any definition I can think of, and I'm not even sure it's possible.
 
[X] Don't have the possibility of other 'walkers turning up.
--[X] But have stories / rumours / myths of them be something that can be encountered
 
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BurnNote said:
I'm not sure what exactly you mean by 'randomly turn into a small star', but I'm pretty sure 2 planeswalkers is more likely. Still hilariously improbable, but in the region of reachable, with enough worlds and population. 'randomly turn into a small star' isn't, at least not in any definition I can think of, and I'm not even sure it's possible.
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The reason it's not possible is that the energy interactions are hilariously unfavorable, not because there's rule that states there's a 0% chance of the Earth's heavy metal core undergoing nuclear fusion, heating the crust, and ejecting particles. Theoretically it could happen...it just won't. Stars fuse iron, but iron lowers core temperature so the star dies anyway. But there could theoretically be a random chance 'no fuck you' where all the iron is ejected and all the light bits of Earth fuse as a very very short-lived 'star.' I guess.
 
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[X] Don't have the possibility of other 'walkers turning up.

Allow me to provide some more paranoia fridge horror for you, if the reasons so far are not enough.

Right now, we have Walpurgisnacht that has Black Mana control (Mage). Do you want to give it Planeswalking?
All those Planeswalkers would come from PMMM.
PMMM has Incubators and Magical Girls.

In order for us to encounter even one Planeswalker from that setting, considering all the dangers that come with the Ignition, there'd have to be DOZENS if not HUNDREDS of Planeswalkers originating from that setting, even considering the hilariously low odds of Ignition.

Eventually, at least one of them would find their way back to PMMM, for one reason or another.

Naturally, such a Planeswalker would attract quite a lot of attention from QB.
Let's say they Contract, and eventually experience enough sudden trauma to witch out before they can use their magic to clean their Gems.
Now you have a Planeswalking Witch with infinite potential to obtain more power as she goes.
And then she encounters a wild Walpurgisnacht.
Good job, hero. You broke the world. Or a hundred worlds.

Especially if one of those Planeswalkers decide that Kyubey is, indeed, a good guy who could find something useful in those other Planes. After all, a blue-focused Planeswalker who hasn't experienced trauma at his hands might not see any problems with him. If only he had a way to travel to those Planes, or even just use Blue Mana... Surely he'd help the worlds even more, right?
 
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Akasha said:
In order for us to encounter even one Planeswalker from that setting, considering all the dangers that come with the Ignition, there'd have to be DOZENS of Planeswalkers originating from that setting, even considering the hilariously low odds of Ignition.
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See thing is I don't think there would be hilarious low odds of Ignition. Kyubey kinda has an idea of what a Spark looks like. If one in a million people have one then Jade's Earth should have around 7,000 people with sparks, more or less depending upon the population numbers.

Combined with the countless Incubators patrolling the planet I wouldn't be surprised if they could track down every last one of them and, though one way or another, force them to Ignite.

Then consider there are at least 103 Earth's under their supervision and the number of potential Walkers jumps into the three quarters of a million range.

Lot's of test subjects for the Incubators and it would all be thanks to Jade.
 
UberJJK said:
See thing is I don't think there would be hilarious low odds of Ignition. Kyubey kinda has an idea of what a Spark looks like. If one in a million people have one then Jade's Earth should have around 7,000 people with sparks, more or less depending upon the population numbers.

Combined with the countless Incubators patrolling the planet I wouldn't be surprised if they could track down every last one of them and, though one way or another, force them to Ignite.

Then consider there are at least 103 Earth's under their supervision and the number of potential Walkers jumps into the three quarters of a million range.

Lot's of test subjects for the Incubators and it would all be thanks to Jade.
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Yeah, we'll have enough problems and trauma to deal with even WITHOUT being responsible for giving QB this kind of power. I really don't want to buff him with every single damn choice we make. It'd make it seem like, no matter what we do, he just keeps being better than us at everything, so trying to surpass him is pointless, since we only make things worse.
 
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